What classes give SLAs? Other than Rogue's Minor/Major Magic talent, I already know about that one.
Is there a way to get domain abilities without actually being a cleric? I don't want to be a spellcaster, I just want a bunch of SLAs.
Kineticists get a bunch of SLAs of course, they're all about it. If that's too magical for you maybe a psychometrist vigilante? With the right implements they get some SLAs. There's a rogue archetype for gillmen (or humans with racial heritage) which extends their possible rogue talent SLAs to 4th level.
On domains, it's possible to get one as a paladin archetype or an alchemist archetype but not as an actual non-spellcaster IIRC.
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Is there a way to get domain abilities without actually being a cleric? I don't want to be a spellcaster, I just want a bunch of SLAs.
There are a few non-cleric archetypes that do get a domain, but they are all for classes that are spellcasters (including alchemist).
If you want "a bunch of SLAs," may I suggest a Qinggong Monk? They can take a whole bunch of spell-like abilities in place of normal monk abilities. (Kineticist utility talents also duplicate a lot of spells, but someone beat me to that suggestion.)
I will look at that rogue archetype and the monk. Dunno about the Kineticist as I've never looked at the class before. I'll look at it as well.
And for clarity's sake, the point of this idea is not to have any actual spells but instead have a lot of spell-like abilities. I think an alchemist's extracts are a little too close to magic for this.
I will look at that rogue archetype and the monk. Dunno about the Kineticist as I've never looked at the class before. I'll look at it as well.
And for clarity's sake, the point of this idea is not to have any actual spells but instead have a lot of spell-like abilities. I think an alchemist's extracts are a little too close to magic for this.
kitsune, or human with racial heritage(kitsune), can nab a few with the magic tail feat chain.
same for drow (and anyone else who can classify as one) and the drow nobility chain.
Half-elves can build up impressive collections of SLAs via alternate racial features, feats, and traits regardless of class.
RELIQUARIAN OCCULTIST gets a domain, and Occultists get a bunch of SLAs.
EDIT: They are casters, but you could focus on long-term buffs and play a melee/archer character pretty effectively.
I looked at the Gillman Rogue archetype. Getting a second and third level spell has SLAs is nice, but you can still only take the talent to get those SLAs once. And since it replaces Trap Sense, it doesn't stack with the Phantom Thief archetype which lets you take the magical talents multiple times.
The drow SLA feats have a nice variety. Too bad you have to be human to take Racial Heritage, cause using a drow to take Magical Tail feats would be fun. Or some gnome SLA feats.
The eldritch raider can get its SLAs fast - with 2 feats on extra rogue talent you can have your 3rd level spell at character level 5, the same as a wizard - but it does run out of room for improvement, true. Best for a short game. You could get other SLAs via rogue talent (gloom magic etc.) but they're pretty poor.
If you want a rogue-y character with SLAs & no spells who keeps getting useful advancement to the SLAs I'll put in a bump for psychometrist vigilante. It gets occultist implements which have SLAs, and there's the odd vigilante social talent which is an SLA too.
The problem with eldritch raider rogue is that the two new SLAs require advanced talents (I missed that little "advanced" at first, too). Some spells still work fine, I guess. For example three scorching rays should have some impact at level 11, thanks to medium BAB, ranged touch, solid base damage and sneak attack. You could even use it in a surprise round, opposed to a normal full-attack.
If you are content with 1st-level SLAs, you don't have to deal with any classes, actually. The Psychic Disciple feat provides such a SLA, and it can be taken multiple times. It requires two other feats, but Psychic Sensitivity has its own limited merits and can be picked up as a bonus feat (half-elf, IIRC one or two others too). And Psychic Adept gives you a knack 3/day, which can be somewhat useful (detect magic, light, stabilize etc.). The spells come from the psychic list, but this isn't much of a downgrade at 1st spell level IMO. The different components don't matter because a SLA doesn't need any.
I'll take a look at the vigilante talents, see if there's any SLA ones I like.
I'll also see what casters can ditch spells with archetypes and see how that looks.
Order of the Blossom gets a handful of SLA's, and Sneak Attack... it's one of my favorites for VMC Cavalier on Archaelogist or Sandman Bards, Slayers, and Nature Fang Druids...
The Lantern Bearer prestige class gets a lot of SLAs.
Invested regent unchained monk, who has a lot of SLA!
That's an interesting PrC class. If I go with it, I won't use drow since several of the drow's racial SLAs are on that list.
Deidic Obedience often grants SLA's, but it's relatively late level and comes with the obvious obedience baggage.
The drow SLA feats have a nice variety. Too bad you have to be human to take Racial Heritage, cause using a drow to take Magical Tail feats would be fun. Or some gnome SLA feats.
Look up the Human Guise feat. A Kitsune with that feat can take the Racial Heritage feat. Of course, getting from there to racial SLAs is a little trickier, as most relevant feats have requirements beyond simply being of a certain race.
Yeah. The Drow Nobility line needs you to be able to use drow SLAs and the Extra Gnome Magic feats needs the Gnome Magic racial trait. Otherwise that would be very helpful.
Ok, I think I'll go with Gnome. They have tons of different racial SLAs, but only the default set lets you use the various feats that net more. I think I might end up gestalting this. I have more characters than I can play, so I can just use this guy if I get into a gestalt group.
I'm thinking Unchained Monk on one side, going into the Prc. I'll do 6 levels of monk, using the ki power that lets me pick out a Qinggong Monk power. I can grab Barkskin and Scorching Ray from that. There are some others that are decent, but they take 12 levels or more of monk to qualify. After I get everything I need from the Prc, I might finish out with monk. I can grab Remove Disease and Dragon's Breath.
On the other side, I'm going Unchained Phantom Thief Rogue. The archetype lets me take Minor and Major Magic multiple times. And I can take vigilante social talents as well. Except Social Grace and talents that require being a craftsman or professional. And the Minor/Major Magic vigilante talents lets me select from the bard, cleric, druid, psychic, shaman, sorcerer/wizard, or witch spell list. But only from one of them. I definitely won't need the Sorcerer/Wizard option, since the rogue talent only allows that spell list.
Found a useful feat. Talented Magician. Can't take it until level 5 since it needs both the Minor and Major Magic talents, but it gives an extra use for them. And I can take it multiple times, so I'm getting a lot more spells. I still need a way to get higher level spells for my SLA outside of the Lantern Bearer class. Though I'm going to have to take the Martial Weapon Proficiency to get the longbow proficiency to qualify for the PrC since neither Rogue nor Monk have it.
A member of my discord group just suggested taking some levels in fighter and brawler. There's a combat feat that lets me grab an advanced weapon training option, one of which grants item mastery feats. I'll need to keep my Fort save nice and high, but there are some pretty good options in there. And just one level of Brawler will let me use any of them (that I qualify for) a minimum of 4 times a day.