Is Dreamscarred Press dead?


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I heard something to that effect, but wasn’t sure. Would really love to have 2e psionics; Vitalist and Aegis are some of my favorite class concepts ever.


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keftiu wrote:
I heard something to that effect, but wasn’t sure. Would really love to have 2e psionics; Vitalist and Aegis are some of my favorite class concepts ever.

I have absolutely no insider knowledge, but I would say that they're not dead, but in rough shape. I don't know what's happened with the majority of their creative talent, but things appear down to one of the founders for writing content, and he's got fairly massive constraints on his output. They've got a Kickstarter to wrap and I doubt they'll announce any new product until that's completed.


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No. There was an update a few months ago on their Starfinder kickstarter that detailed the various setbacks and delays that they've been experiencing. Right now, they are focused on completing the Starfinder Psionics Guide kickstarter, and after that, who knows?


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PFRPGrognard wrote:
No. There was an update a few months ago on their Starfinder kickstarter that detailed the various setbacks and delays that they've been experiencing. Right now, they are focused on completing the Starfinder Psionics Guide kickstarter, and after that, who knows?

I think the update was this one: Updated #20 We Hear You from like August 20, 2019. There was one Sept 4th that was mostly art.

So, not dead, just busy.


Lucus Palosaari wrote:
PFRPGrognard wrote:
No. There was an update a few months ago on their Starfinder kickstarter that detailed the various setbacks and delays that they've been experiencing. Right now, they are focused on completing the Starfinder Psionics Guide kickstarter, and after that, who knows?

I think the update was this one: Updated #20 We Hear You from like August 20, 2019. There was one Sept 4th that was mostly art.

So, not dead, just busy.

I just read that link, and holy crap that is harrowing. I think it is pretty understandable if there are delays, or even the cancellation of everything and that they would be entirely justified in doing so given what has been going on for them.


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I'm a backer and I would prefer they work on it in a way to not exacerbate their mental health (I'm also a public health worker). So if it continues to be late.. fine. As long as they don't kill themselves trying to get it out soon. If it never comes out.. that would suck.. but I'd also understand.


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I've never used any Dreamscarred press material, but I've only ever heard good things about them so if they create anything for 2E I'm pretty tempted to finally take the plunge.

That said, their health takes priority and I hope things'll get better for them.


The Starfinder Psionics kickstarter has been over for more than a year and no updates in months. Others have posted that the founder is not responding to any messages thru social media. I've asked for my pledge back. I feel for him if he ran into issues but he can't just keep our money.


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Karpomatic wrote:
The Starfinder Psionics kickstarter has been over for more than a year and no updates in months. Others have posted that the founder is not responding to any messages thru social media. I've asked for my pledge back. I feel for him if he ran into issues but he can't just keep our money.

Kickstarter isn't a purchase. It's an investment in something you'd like to see happen, but which isn't yet certain. Sometimes this means they fail. But even when they do, the money has often been spent on real things, in an effort to try and achieve it. Refunding that money would mean a sudden, punishing debt to the creators.

It would be a different situation if a bad guy took your money and ran away with it, but that's not what happened here.


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sadie wrote:
took your money and ran away with it

Looking at the person you're replying to and the comments on the kickstarter and social media, that sounds exactly like what happened.

Silver Crusade

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You’re thinking of Firemountain Games, this is about a Dreamscarred Press KS.


The Ultimate Psionics KS was only 4 years late with little communication after the first year. Did you really think he would do any better this time?


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PathfinderFan64 wrote:
The Ultimate Psionics KS was only 4 years late with little communication after the first year. Did you really think he would do any better this time?

That's misleading. The UP kickstarter delivered the core product - Ultimate Psionics - in a reasonable time period. I recall it was late, but certainly not four years late. The dozens of additional items such as posters, minis, dog collars, trumpet stands, and King Tut's underwear... yeah, some of those slid timeframes significantly. Remember when nobody knew better than to STRETCH more than survivable? Fact is, despite everything, UP delivered, when a lesser company would have given up.

The Starfinder one... different situation, and a grim one.

I have zero insider information here, but the lack of anyone related to Dreamscarred having posted anything public since (before) the announcement of PF2, I would expect it's going to stay quiet.

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PF64 has a history of complaining about Kickstarters, so take the comment with a grain of salt.


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Rysky wrote:
You’re thinking of Firemountain Games, this is about a Dreamscarred Press KS.

Ouch.

And yet entirely fair. :(

Way of the Wicked is one of the best campaigns I've ever run. It's really unfortunate that Firemountain went the way it did after that.


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They just posted an update.


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*channels positive feelings and hugs for the Madre*

Liberty's Edge

Yeah I separate personal feelings from business ones. I am a backer as soon as the KS went up for Starfinder psionics. I am not pleased it has taken so long, and I do not appreciate personal business getting in the way.


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Noven wrote:
Yeah I separate personal feelings from business ones. I am a backer as soon as the KS went up for Starfinder psionics. I am not pleased it has taken so long, and I do not appreciate personal business getting in the way.

Is he supposed to just magically not have life issues?


Whoof


I understand they are very buy with their own personal life, but I don't feel confortable when there is a lot of time without news.

They have published true classics among the 3PPs. If I was WotC or Paizo I would hire them.


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LuisCarlos17Fe wrote:

I understand they are very buy with their own personal life, but I don't feel confortable when there is a lot of time without news.

They have published true classics among the 3PPs. If I was WotC or Paizo I would hire them.

I'd actually be surprised if they couldn't get a job if they wanted it, they mention having a day job, its possible that they wouldn't want to leave it to game design full time.


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As I understand it, DSP was a passion project, not a money-making project. Jeremy and Andreas produced psionics material for 3.5e after WotC had basically stopped, and then when 3.5e was entirely killed, they ported their material to PF, as well as making new stuff. They supported independent designers who wanted to do similar things to other 3.5e material. It was always about loving the material.

But yeah, basically everyone involved has a day job. One notable DSP author now works for Paizo, but I don't think anyone else "made it" into the industry full-time. Jeremy's an IT guy, which certainly makes more yearly than an RPG writer, and making ends meet is still hard. Some folks other than Jeremy and Andreas (the founders) probably would like to get professional RPG jobs, but frankly I haven't seen a peep out of any of them in a couple years now.

Horizon Hunters

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I really loved the Path of War and would love to see some of it ported to 2e (and honestly I think it would work really well with the three action system and existing stances if it was balanced out)

Grand Lodge

Rysky wrote:
You’re thinking of Firemountain Games, this is about a Dreamscarred Press KS.

Just seeing this now, but that's a fair comment. It still isn't completed, and the chances of it happening now are 0.1% at this point. I essentially took it over, hence why that thread's still going and hasn't been closed down yet. It's a sad outcome. Their site's closed and everything.

I'm curious to see how DSP turns out in the end. Definitely hoping something better for them.

Silver Crusade

*nods*


keftiu wrote:
I heard something to that effect, but wasn’t sure.

There's nothing official but my slow building dread that Dreamscarred Press is going to collapse over the Starfinder Psionics kickstarter seems increasingly justified. This is really depressing.

I'm a backer. Personally, I don't really care if the Psionics book comes late with only a few scattered updates. But I don't see how a business their size can survive this. Not without taking a major hit to their reputation and morale.

Five months is a long time to go without an update. Most backers just seem to want to know what's happening. A growing minority are upset and want refunds. Their forums and social media are dead. Customer questions are sitting unanswered. It sounds like digital orders are being processed, no idea about physical.

Dreamscarred Press is one of my favorite small publishers. It's just sad to think that this would do them in. I was really looking forward to their approach to Second Edition.

Grand Lodge

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I'll admit that I'm getting concerned about this. Even more so considering even the freelancers I used to chum with who were hired by DSP have gone silent and left social media. Can't even get a hold of them via email. It doesn't even have to do with this project, just wanted to see how they were fairing given the current state of the world.

It's unfortunate if this ends the company and the careers of everyone who's worked for them.

Liberty's Edge

Might be that they are preparing for a big event that needs secrecy (and NDAs).


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Maybe the Illuminati got to them. Heck, maybe they are the Illuminati. :-)

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