Blind fight feat how useful

[huggin]

I haven't noticed this feat being mentioned when builds are being discussed. Is it way too situational or weak? If you don't take it what alternatives do you recommend?

[Val'bryn2]

It really varies from campaign to campaign, and GM to GM. If you have a GM who loves demons, devils, or drow, it's got the potential to be very helpful.

[Syries]

Well if you have a spare 8,000 gp and a way to slot an Ioun stone (such as using a wayfinder) you can buy the feat and get a +2 enhancement bonus to Wisdom with this

Blind Fight is great for when you need it- there are a fair few creatures with permanent or at will blur/displacement effects, or at will invisibility, or creatures that can blind you or reduce light levels to darkness/supernatural darkness. It really depends on if your campaign tends to run into these types of creatures a lot. It's worth a feat if you find yourself traversing the darklands, for example.

Unless you're playing a blind character for RP reasons there aren't really any optimized builds that utilize blind-fight regularly, outside of encounters with abilities I mentioned.

[Firebug]

When I need it I typically just get a Wayfinder with a Incandescent Blue Sphere Ioun Stone slotted in it. And a "bonus" +2 enhancement Wisdom for a better Will save...

Edit: Ninja-ed.

[VoodistMonk]

Traits are considered half a feat, and there is a trait that gives you the Blind Fight feat... therefore Blind Fight is only worth half a feat. Lol.

It's better to just buy it with the aforementioned Wayfinder, if you need it.

[Syries]

VoodistMonk wrote:

Traits are considered half a feat, and there is a trait that gives you the Blind Fight feat... therefore Blind Fight is only worth half a feat. Lol.

but you have to worship a LG empyreal lord

Sure Blind Zeal is nice but not everyone wanting Blind Fight will want to worship him.

[Wonderstell]

Just FYI, if this isn't for PFS then you can buy the cracked version of the Incandescent Blue Sphere for 200 gp instead of 8,000.

Since cracked ioun stones have a 25% chance of resonating, you'd on average spend 1000 gp to get Blind-Fight if you sell back those three extra you've bought.

[Volkard Abendroth]

Blind Fight is useless.

Until it isn’t, then it becomes very powerful.

Personally, I tend to take it, and improved blind fight, and bring concealment to the battlefield myself.

[lemeres]

It is pretty much the go to example of a highly situational feat that gives a massive quality of life improvement when it comes up. It is the prime example of a feat that a brawler should grab with martial flexibility.

Otherwise... I would only go for it when I have run out of useful feats to grab (usually on high level build) or if I actively plan to use a tactic that would require it (some kind of deeper darkness?).

[Syries]

Personally I think it's worth investing in the Ioun Stone, even if you have to pay for the 8k one (as you would if this is for PFS)

If you want to play a blind character you should pick it up (as well as the style feats that go with it)

If your table commonly uses deeper darkness/fog tactics then you should find a new table to play at picking it up would probably be a good idea.

Anybody with martial flexibility should never need to pick it up unless they're in a party like the one I just described.

[Meirril]

Blind Fight is useful for any mage-masher build. If the campaign leads you to fight a lot of arcane casters, all of them use avoidance type defenses.

While it is obvious that Blind Fighting is good against Blur and Displacement, you can also use Blind Fighting against Mirror Images. If your character blindfolds himself he just has a 50% miss chance since Mirror Images is dependent on sight. Also there are quite a few effects that cause blindness or invisibility.

I would never consider this to be a feat you want to grab early. But once you have your build 'finished' it is a decent utility feat for any melee spec build.

[VoodistMonk]

Understand that the feat itself is, and always will be, useless.

In any and every other situation you may need the feat, you are already significantly f!cked...

You can get it with a trait, you can buy it with a compass... the significance is literally what you make of it...

[Temperans]

Dont use the trait unless you are going for a blind character. There is a reason why it's the only trait that gives a feat.