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When I do this as a player my monk is 'overpowered'
When I do this as a GM I'm a dirty meatgrinder GM for not keeping martials in their place.
Casters can't really be shutdown generally speaking. You can shutdown specific casters but that depends on various things such as spells selected.
Although a group of first-level kobolds with tanglefoot bags, thunderstones and readied actions to pelt the caster with alchemical acid and alchemists fire is an interesting proposal, at least.
Might work out up to fifth-level or so, provided he doesn't win initiative and fireball.
Of course, they're cheap enough that you can spread them out, and/or have them hide & jump the casters while the martials is facing down the dragon.
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I still like the - I ready to fire an arrow(less effective if mirror image/blur/displacement/stoneskin is up), or cast magic missile(too bad for you if he has shield though) as soon as casty starts to cast a spell. Dispel magic is a level 3 spell. Magic missile is a level 1 one. Dispel magic needs investment of serveral feats to make viable, magic missile does not, though its effectiveness drops at higher levels where they can make their concentration check.
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I prefer the full-round attack approach.
I know it sounds obvious, but I'll mention it anyway, because I don't see it in the link or in this thread....
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There's a spell called Antimagic Field.
Truly the best, albeit a late comer. Ready an action to put an antimsgic field on your martial (who has Step and Strike) when he gets to the enemy caster. Splat.
I prefer "I'll bomb when he starts to do something magical". It won't prevent channeling, but they can't avoid my readied action by doing something that's just subtly different from "when he casts a spell".
Is drinking a potion "somthing magical"? How about drikningen a antidote or taking a sip from his hip flask? Is using a supernatural ability somthing magic? What i am getting at is that the redied action May not fly at every table.
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Anti magic field is a 10 ft emanation centered on yours truly. You can't cast it on the party fighter. If you had a flying familiar, like a small air elemental, you could cast it on him, making your air elemental ready to fly after the caster if he moved, all tbe while remaining in 10 ft of him, would ruin the casters day.
Silence on the party fighter would work, though, but silence is 1 round casting time and does bot qualify for ready unless quickened.
Mad monkeys on casters could have hilarious results as well. First the fort save vs distraction, then order the monkeys to steal the holy symbol/spell component pouch.
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I'm more interested in how to shut down Korean spammers.
My most successful was an otherwise standard barbarian. Devoted 1 feat to improved grapple. A common tactic for our group in general was to cast silence on the barbarian so he could close without setting off alerting anyone.
A 'silence' grappling barbarian stopped most casters from being a problem.
The spell is a 10 foot emanation centered on the caster. Doesn't work he way you'd want it to for that trick.
What if you cast Magic Jar first and then Antimagic Field while inhabiting the body of the barbarian or other martial?
I like call the void.
You end ALL magic effects, including the Magic Jar, and are snapped back to your own body, bringing the field with you.What if you cast Magic Jar first and then Antimagic Field while inhabiting the body of the barbarian or other martial?The spell is a 10 foot emanation centered on the caster. Doesn't work he way you'd want it to for that trick.
I don't see why the field would follow you though. And aren't the effects just suppressed, not dispelled?
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YO.
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What's the point? The spellcaster is taking his action. Are you NOT going to hit him because he's not casting a spell?I prefer "I'll bomb when he starts to do something magical". It won't prevent channeling, but they can't avoid my readied action by doing something that's just subtly different from "when he casts a spell".That's why I like to take at least one rank of Spellcraft on my martials:
Martial: I ready to smack him when he casts a spell.
GM: He begins to mumble and wave his hands.
Martial: Is he casting a spell or just bluffing. Don't need to know which spell he's trying to cast, just whether or not he's casting.
GM: Spellcraft check?
Martial: Sure, here you go.If you've got spellcraft trained, you should be able to ID whether or not he's actually casting or not with a fairly reasonable spellcraft check at the most, certainly lower than it takes to ID what he's casting. I personally generally let people ID an actual cast flat out if they have spellcraft trained, and not if they don't. Though I could see requiring something like a DC 10 (or 10 + spell level at most) to ID the fact that they're casting.
I start to wave my hands and mumble as my move action.
The barbarian hits you.
Ok, for my standard action I cast dominate person on the barbarian.
What's the point? The spellcaster is taking his action. Are you NOT going to hit him because he's not casting a spell?I prefer "I'll bomb when he starts to do something magical". It won't prevent channeling, but they can't avoid my readied action by doing something that's just subtly different from "when he casts a spell".That's why I like to take at least one rank of Spellcraft on my martials:
Martial: I ready to smack him when he casts a spell.
GM: He begins to mumble and wave his hands.
Martial: Is he casting a spell or just bluffing. Don't need to know which spell he's trying to cast, just whether or not he's casting.
GM: Spellcraft check?
Martial: Sure, here you go.If you've got spellcraft trained, you should be able to ID whether or not he's actually casting or not with a fairly reasonable spellcraft check at the most, certainly lower than it takes to ID what he's casting. I personally generally let people ID an actual cast flat out if they have spellcraft trained, and not if they don't. Though I could see requiring something like a DC 10 (or 10 + spell level at most) to ID the fact that they're casting.
I start to wave my hands and mumble as my move action.
The barbarian hits you.
Ok, for my standard action I cast dominate person on the barbarian.
Dominate person has a 1 round casting time.
Replace that with persisted suggestion/hold person and you get about the same result, however.
Although, considering it is impossible by RAW to hide casting, it wouldn't be unreasonable to say that it is impossible to fake it unless the other person has had practically no exposure to magic.
The spell is a 10 foot emanation centered on the caster. Doesn't work he way you'd want it to for that trick.Truly the best, albeit a late comer. Ready an action to put an antimsgic field on your martial (who has Step and Strike) when he gets to the enemy caster. Splat.I know it sounds obvious, but I'll mention it anyway, because I don't see it in the link or in this thread....
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There's a spell called Antimagic Field.
Ah right! As mentiones put in on your familiar, and send him with the martial. This would work right?
Ah right! As mentiones put in on your familiar, and send him with the martial. This would work right?The spell is a 10 foot emanation centered on the caster. Doesn't work he way you'd want it to for that trick.Truly the best, albeit a late comer. Ready an action to put an antimsgic field on your martial (who has Step and Strike) when he gets to the enemy caster. Splat.I know it sounds obvious, but I'll mention it anyway, because I don't see it in the link or in this thread....
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There's a spell called Antimagic Field.
Sadly, no.
Share spells allows you to cast a spell with a target of "you" on their familiar as a touch spell.
Anti-Magic field has an area (an emanation, centered on you), but no target.
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I prefer "I'll bomb when he starts to do something magical". It won't prevent channeling, but they can't avoid my readied action by doing something that's just subtly different from "when he casts a spell".Is drinking a potion "somthing magical"? How about drikningen a antidote or taking a sip from his hip flask? Is using a supernatural ability somthing magic? What i am getting at is that the redied action May not fly at every table.
A supernatural action, sure. Especially the obvious ones like Channel Energy, that involve waving around a holy symbol.
Antidote isn't magical. Potion is a corner case, probably not gonna get a readied action on that one. Then again, both drawing and drinking potions provoke AoOs that Combat Casting doesn't help against, and you can just smash the bottle.
What's the point? The spellcaster is taking his action. Are you NOT going to hit him because he's not casting a spell?I prefer "I'll bomb when he starts to do something magical". It won't prevent channeling, but they can't avoid my readied action by doing something that's just subtly different from "when he casts a spell".That's why I like to take at least one rank of Spellcraft on my martials:
Martial: I ready to smack him when he casts a spell.
GM: He begins to mumble and wave his hands.
Martial: Is he casting a spell or just bluffing. Don't need to know which spell he's trying to cast, just whether or not he's casting.
GM: Spellcraft check?
Martial: Sure, here you go.If you've got spellcraft trained, you should be able to ID whether or not he's actually casting or not with a fairly reasonable spellcraft check at the most, certainly lower than it takes to ID what he's casting. I personally generally let people ID an actual cast flat out if they have spellcraft trained, and not if they don't. Though I could see requiring something like a DC 10 (or 10 + spell level at most) to ID the fact that they're casting.
I start to wave my hands and mumble as my move action.
The barbarian hits you.
Ok, for my standard action I cast dominate person on the barbarian.
Hope you make your concentration check!
Hope you make your concentration check!What's the point? The spellcaster is taking his action. Are you NOT going to hit him because he's not casting a spell?I prefer "I'll bomb when he starts to do something magical". It won't prevent channeling, but they can't avoid my readied action by doing something that's just subtly different from "when he casts a spell".That's why I like to take at least one rank of Spellcraft on my martials:
Martial: I ready to smack him when he casts a spell.
GM: He begins to mumble and wave his hands.
Martial: Is he casting a spell or just bluffing. Don't need to know which spell he's trying to cast, just whether or not he's casting.
GM: Spellcraft check?
Martial: Sure, here you go.If you've got spellcraft trained, you should be able to ID whether or not he's actually casting or not with a fairly reasonable spellcraft check at the most, certainly lower than it takes to ID what he's casting. I personally generally let people ID an actual cast flat out if they have spellcraft trained, and not if they don't. Though I could see requiring something like a DC 10 (or 10 + spell level at most) to ID the fact that they're casting.
I start to wave my hands and mumble as my move action.
The barbarian hits you.
Ok, for my standard action I cast dominate person on the barbarian.
yeah
I was waiting for the AoO to come up with this example
And before we "5ft shift" this is why my barbarians have armor spikes and the biggest weapon available (i.e. reach).
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By the way, if you are *bluffing* that you are casting a spell thats on SENSE MOTIVE.
Spellcrafting is more for indentifying the actual spell you are casting, but i guess some DMs would allow for it to also see through the bluff of a spellcaster, but in the end a bluff is opposed to sense motive.
Fluffwise it would be that the barbarian spots the difference in the wizards behavior, being too smug, or he betrays his intentions in some way that sense motive picks up despite if the barbarian is familiar with spells or not.
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uh
Sssshhhhh, he'll figure it out eventually.
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BARBARIAN ONCE HAVE SUFFICIENTLY BEEFY CASTY THAT AM ABLE SOAK ONE HIT TRY SOMETHING SIMILAR. CASTY WAVE HANDS, BARBARIAN PUNCH CASTY THROUGH FACE WITH LANCE, CASTY AM ALIVE BECAUSE BARBARIAN AM ALWAYS WINNER, BUT SOMETIMES ROLLS 1S ON DAMAGE. THEN CASTY CAST SPELL FOR REAL, BUT FAIL BECAUSE DAMAGE THAT TURN INCREASED DIFFICULTY OF CAST DEFENSIVE BY EIGHTY BECAUSE DAMAGE OCCURRED DURING CASTY TURN. SILLY CASTY NOT LEVEL EIGHTY, AM THEREFORE UNABLE TO SPELL.
FOR RECORD, CASTY THEN USE SWIFT ACTION TO CRY AND BEG FORGIVENESS.
NOT END SO WELL FOR CASTY.
Still missed it.
Hint: I didn't hit reply on your post.
I always liked Monks to shut down casters. Good saving throws so they can bounce spells .Great mobility so they can get to the caster then they toss caster face first into the dirt and dance on his/her head.
I'm still trying to figure out how the Barbarian got back from being Mazed and survived the 1000+ No Save Force damage when they got back. Can someone explain this to me?
The same way the above happened.
Imagination.