Inquisitor/warpriest...basically 6th lvl casting 3/4 BAB divine variant. We actually don't know how will those types of classes work but they were the ones Paizo did best.
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So, what other classes absolutely should be promoted to Pathfinder 2E core?
The ones that are popular, in the descending order of popularity. Hence, Alchemist is going core, as it is the most popular non-core class (even more popular than some core classes, such as Druid), next up is Oracle.
I think Mesmerist should be promoted to core. It was a class with a lot of cool mechanics and a nice alternative to bard.
Also, even though the class was in several points rather badly constructed, I really want to see the Kineticist. Of course, revamped so it can be actual fun to play
Both are very unlikely but one can dream right? :P
What is more likely, since the Alchemist became core, is the Oracle.
Also one of my favorites and so we would have a spontaneous divine caster - which is somthing core definitly lacked.
Alternative to Oracle would be a from ground up rebuild Favored Soul.
Gunslinger seems like the most distinctive PF/Golarian class.
I wouldn't say that, even though it was a nice class with a lot of flavor. But Many GMs had their problems with it.
If they add it, they should instantly add the Bolt Ace archetype to give an alternative for players and gms who want to reduce the ammount of black powder around|
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I think what Paizo was aiming for was to have a class that's distinct, doesn't feature in 5E, is an established part of Golarion canon and helps set PF2 apart from all the other "Rogue/Fighter/Cleric/Wizard" fantasy RPGs by having something unique in the core. Oracle is nifty, and I'd love to see them ASAP, but they're pretty much divine sorceres and don't stick out like Alchemists do.
The ones that are popular, in the descending order of popularity. Hence, Alchemist is going core, as it is the most popular non-core class (even more popular than some core classes, such as Druid), next up is Oracle.
So, what other classes absolutely should be promoted to Pathfinder 2E core?
This.
I think what Paizo was aiming for was to have a class that's distinct, doesn't feature in 5E, is an established part of Golarion canon and helps set PF2 apart from all the other "Rogue/Fighter/Cleric/Wizard" fantasy RPGs by having something unique in the core. Oracle is nifty, and I'd love to see them ASAP, but they're pretty much divine sorceres and don't stick out like Alchemists do.Exactly, so a good runner up is the Gunslinger.
It would work, but there is more resistance to see them as core fantasy, and more important, guns need serious rework. Not going to be ready in august
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A Crazy Cat Lady class, or a Pony Rider, would really help me convince my wife to play the game.
A Crazy Cat Lady class, or a Pony Rider, would really help me convince my wife to play the game.
Cat totem druid (focus in summoning cats) and a small cavalier/druid who uses its pet as mount
bam
A Crazy Cat Lady class, or a Pony Rider, would really help me convince my wife to play the game.Cat totem druid (focus in summoning cats) and a small cavalier/druid who uses its pet as mount
bam
At least if we're talking 1e, a beastmaster ranger can have a bunch of less powerful animal companions rather than one big one; ideal for having a character surrounded by a horde of little kitties. A Lion Shaman druid has a lot of abilities focused on improved relationships with and abilities relating to felines. These are both core classes, with APG archetypes. (One can hope similar archetypes appear in 2e). A ranger, druid, paladin, cavalier, hunter, or summoner could all have a pony animal companion (or in the summoner's case, a pony-shaped eidolon). As Seisho noted to ride the pony the rider would have to be Small size. Halflings have some alternate race abilities that make them good at riding.
As to the OP -- core classes should be able to fill every major niche in fantsy roleplay, e.g., heavily armored warrior, mage, etc. and/or be definitely best at a thing no one else is. E.g., a brawler is best by far at unarmed combat, and masterful unarmed combatant is a key fantasy (and in particular sword and sandals) archetype, so a brawler should be core.
As I've said previously, I'm also all for removing classes that don't best fill a niche if they can be better scrapped and rebuilt from the ground up. I feel no need to keep a thing in just because it was in a grandfather system's rulebook 30 years ago.
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I don't have a lot of love for vancian clerics. I'm simply not sure I buy into the whole 'I will pray in the morning for these select holy boons, then later ask my god 'hey, remember that thing wee talked about this morning? can you do that now?' The verisimilitude is just not there for me, and I'd much rather the cleric be a 'spontaneous' caster, with perhaps the ability to expend extra resources to ask for something they don't 'know' (because you can always ask, right?).
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Additionally, I don't feel the Barbarian needs to be it's own class as it is still just a pure martial character - it should be able to be built with a fighter chassis, and appropriate feats toward rage powers.
Similarly, I think the rogue/bard could be the same base chassis.
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Of course, since pf2e is evolutionary, and not revolutionary, these things won't be looked at.
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There are too many classes in the core already, let's not add more.
Honestly, I hope Paizo is more restrained with classes this edition. They started off PF1 so well and stuck to their guns of "few new classes" and then it all fell apart.
The oracle... I don't think we need a spontaneous divine caster class. Just an alternate table where you can swap out the cleric's prepared casting for spontaneous.
Ditto the neo-Vancian arcanist. That's not a class, that's a single page alternate rule.
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Fighter
Cleric
Wizard
Rogue
Branch off these with Archetypes:
Fighter/Cleric = Crusader
Cleric of Nature = Druid
Wizard/Rogue = Bard
Fighter with emphasis on hand-to-hand combat = Monk
Wizard that foregoes traditional training = Sorcerer
Fighter/Rogue with emphasis on foraging, tracking, and camouflages = Ranger
Fighter with irresistible surges of wrath and fury = Berserker.
Done.
I like as many classes as I can get. Though I think the 12 in the playtest is a fine core set. As long as 3E/PF1 style multi-classing is in place I have been able to hammer out any concept. Thats the thing im worried about for PF2.
As someone who mainly played pathfinder, dnd3.x and a few completely unrelated systems....
what?
I don't know what its about but it surely does read as 'What classes does pf2 core need'
I'm not thrilled with Oracle (instead of being playable but important, too many curses are either crippling or irrelevant), but unless Paizo was willing to create a new non-Vancian divine caster for 2E, that would seem to be the one.
So, what other classes absolutely should be promoted to Pathfinder 2E core?
Oracle is the spontaneous spell caster for divine. You might not like it, but it is.
So, what other classes absolutely should be promoted to Pathfinder 2E core?
Better question, what to remove from core? I'd remove ranger, prestige classes, maybe sorceror (I want them to make sorceror significantly DIFFERENT from wizard, not just a spontenously casting wizard).
I'd add kineticist and maybe hunter. I'd add Magus, but I want them to take their time to design it properly, especially considering all of the implications with changes to the action economy.
But let's face it, they won't be making any additions to classes at this point in time. It takes time to design well.
(I want them to make sorceror significantly DIFFERENT from wizard, not just a spontenously casting wizard).
Oh, I thought I was alone in this.
Tough, to be fair, I'd also like for Wizard to be something more than just being "the class which casts the most spells" and have some identity or unique mechanics to it, so when the eventual myriad of other spellcasters appear in supplements there's something that sets Wizard apart from them besides sheer volume of spells.
By what I've seen in previews so far, chances are that this is happening already though. And maybe with that, Sorcerer will have something to actually set it apart from Wizard.
Back on the original question: I'd like Gunslingers to be core if they managed to set them up in a way that weren't at odds with the established sword-and-magic fantasy mythos and imagery and guns were actually well implemented this time around. Maybe something like making them experts at ranged combat with bows or crossbows and call them sharpshooters or whatever to just avoid guns while keeping the playstyle? It wouldn't be the same though.
Still, even if the sharpshooter idea was doable, it seems like something that wouldn't really work as a core class and more like supplemental stuff.
Maybe something like making them experts at ranged combat with bows or crossbows and call them sharpshooters or whatever to just avoid guns while keeping the playstyle?
Bolt Ace did this pretty well and has provrn its doable -> also best crossbow class
For most characters crossbow was just too taxing to be really effectivewith his grit moves the bolt ace was simply the best option for a martial character who wanted to use crossbow
(for most others bow was simply better)
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Slayer. Because lots of people who play Rogue wants to play an assassin and not a thief.
Inquisitor. Because they are thematic, strong, polyvalent and make senses in a lot of campaign. And they allow players to make a Divine Thief or a Roguish Cleric. Or Van Helsing.
Kinetist. Because Avatar is the best cartoon ever. And every new player I had at my table wanted to play an elemental master.
Magus. Because an archetype or a fighting school or a Wizard school will probably not be enough.
Mesmerist. Good remplacement for thé Bard and makes more sense roleplay wise. And it is a fun class.
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The same ones as pf1 core + alchemist.
I think that many of the core classes should be reexamined with the lessons learned from the hybrids and make them more like the hybrids.
Rangers could get the option to get slayer talents as class feats, have studied target be an option instead of favored enemy, perhaps both can be class feats, or even class feat trees.
Druids can have class feats that are more in line with the Hunter. Monks with brawler class feats, ect...
Hopefully a lot of the PF 1 archetypes can be done with class feats, there where a lot of really good bard archtypes that could probably be done with class feats
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The witch of course. I can't be the only one who would like to play a witch.
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As someone else stated, I think they HAVE to reprint all the core classes...otherwise they risk alienating fans of the excluded class.
I would say the real question is what classes need to introduced ASAP back into Pathfinder. Alchemist is obviously taken care of, and I would say Witch, Oracle, Gunslinger simply for how important they are to the setting.
I like witch too but i'd really like to see their spell list lose heal spells and have their healing be related to class abilities in order to keep more separation between arcane/divine.