Oracle Archetype that gives Bard class abilities?


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Is there an Oracle Archetype that gives Bard class abilities in either official or 3rd party Pathfinder material?


Ocean's Echo could suit what you're looking for. Incidentally, based off your other thread, look up the Mute Musician if you want a bard that can't really speak, as there is no official finished "quiet" curse. The closest you'll probably get is Deaf (free Silent Spell, no need to speak when casting), or if you want a very incomplete one, you might consider looking into the first book of Jade Regent, iirc.


Hmmm...thanks for the info dude but I don't think either of those Archetypes are what I'm looking for. I'm trying to create a female ekujae half-elf (wildborn) oracle who suffers from a mute oracle curse and works as a dancer in a Magnimarian burlesque parlor that serves a place or worship for Arshea.


Do you need bard class abilities to do that? Anybody with skill points to burn can be an excellent dancer.


FWIW, The prophet archetype suits dancing quite well, and it's a pretty nice ability on top of that.


True, I'd just like to have Perform as a class skill for the NPC and maybe a few Bard abilities to go along with it.


Where can I find the prophet archetype?


Ah, my mistake, it's actually Keleshite Prophet from Inner Sea Intrigue. (That's what I get for checking the wrong site.) The archetype is thematically supposed to be for oracles from Kelesh, there's not really anything in the abilities that would make such a background necessary.


Berselius wrote:
True, I'd just like to have Perform as a class skill for the NPC and maybe a few Bard abilities to go along with it.
Ocean's Echo wrote:
Class Skills: An ocean’s echo adds Bluff, Intimidate, Knowledge (nature), and Perform to her list of class skills.

If you want Versatile Performance, the Whimsy Mystery offers this ability - granted, it is for Perform (Comedy), but seeing as you are creating an NPC, you could easily just say that it applies for Perform (Dance) instead:

Versatile Comedy wrote:
Versatile Comedy (Ex): The powers of whimsy infuse your comedy with the ability to awe and befuddle. You can use your total Perform (comedy) bonus in place of your Bluff and Intimidate bonuses.

Finally, there is also the Songbound Oracle curse, which gives you some other bardic abilities (Countersong being probably the most notable one) but it makes it so that you must always, constantly sing loudly whenever you speak, so it seems to run really contrary to your desire of having a mute oracle, haha.

What specific bardic abilities is it that you're looking for?


if variant multiclassing is allowed, you could vmc either bard or oracle depending on what you're trying to build. Vmc bard is a slow burn but if you make a bard who vmcs oracle you can get your curse at 1st and a revelation at 3rd.


blahpers wrote:
The archetype is thematically supposed to be for oracles from Kelesh, there's not really anything in the abilities that would make such a background necessary.

Heh, that does actually fit my NPC's backstory somewhat as while her mother was a ekujae elf princess, her father was a Keleshite Paladin of Sarenrae. Huh, that might actually work though I'm not sure how I'll be able to tie it to a Magnimarian burlesque parlor that also doubles as a temple to Arshea. I'll see what I can do. Thanks dude. :D

Pounce wrote:
What specific bardic abilities is it that you're looking for?

Abilities focusing on dancing.

Thunderlord wrote:
if variant multiclassing is allowed, you could vmc either bard or oracle depending on what you're trying to build. Vmc bard is a slow burn but if you make a bard who vmcs oracle you can get your curse at 1st and a revelation at 3rd.

Uh, I don't know what you mean by "vmc" and "vmcs".


Variant multiclassing


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If literally all you're looking for is having the Class Skill bonus to your performance, I can do you one slightly better... The Savant trait not only gives you the Class Skill bonus to one perform skill, but also an extra +2 trait bonus.


@Berselius: I've actually made up several Bard themed curses for the Oracle before - my favorites being the Mute Diva (S/he gains the Inspire Courage Bardic Performance with Singing and her Bardic Performance isn't language dependant, but s/he losses ability to communicate normally. With later levels in the curse, s/he gains Empathy and eventually Telepathy with targets affected by her Inspire Courage).

Homebrewing aside, what exactly are your limits for this build and what rules are you going to be bound to? If Variant Multiclassing is allowed, I'd just play Oracle with VMC Bard... You won't get Bardic Performance until level 7 or Versatile Performance until 11th level, but its a very strong supportive power none-the-less and you get to retrain your skills at 11th level to help (I assume Dance, so you'll be allowed to retrain any points you've put into Acrobatics or Fly).

Alternatively, if you're okay with Homebrew, this is something that I've been working on with hopes that Paizo would add this into our choice roster (Unfortunately, with Pathfinder 2, I doubt my dreams will become reality of having a PFS Oracle with an Inspire Courage curse).

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Curse of the Pure Heart:
Gentle and Soft, yet Delicate and Fragile. Those cursed with a pure heart often find themselves drawn to helping people, despite any potential pain onto themselves. Those with this curse draw divine energy to aid allies in battle, but often suffer great agony while channeling this energy.

When an Oracle receives this Curse, they must select either Perform (Dance) or Perform (Sing). The Oracle gains the Countersong Bardic Performance if they chose Perform (Sing) or the Distraction Bardic Performance if they chose Perform (Dance). Additionally, they gain the Inspire Courage Bardic Performance. The Oracle's Curse level counts as their Bard level when determining the level of their Bardic Performance. When starting or maintaining the Bardic Performance, the Oracle takes damage equal to 1/2 their Curse Level as their body is racked with pain and agony. The Oracle cannot reduce this damage or become immune to it.

At 5th level, the Oracle gains the Inspire Competence Bardic Performance. They also gain the Versatile Performance for either Perform (Dance) or Perform (Sing), depending on their choice when they received this curse.

At 10th level, the Oracle gains the Inspire Greatness Bardic Performance. Additionally, the damage that they take from this Curse becomes non-lethal damage. They still cannot reduce this damage or become immune to it.

At 15th level, the Oracle gains the Inspire Heroics Bardic Performance.


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If you're looking for something by-the-books without VMC, than the only way you'll be able to do this is with the Ocean's Voice Oracle archetype.

If you're looking for this for a PFS Character, you'll need to play a Water race in order to have access to the Archetype.

HOPE THIS HELPS!


When starting OR maintaining the Bardic Performance, you take damage equal to 1/2 your Curse level? That's going to KO you pretty quick . . . .

Also, I think you meant Ocean's Echo Oracle archetype.

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