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Well, Stars are earned for running the Pathfinder system. It does make sense to earn Stars based on the the new Pathfinder 2.0 system.
This being said, lots of us have put in time so I think it would be reason to have a system that recognizes the contribution of the dedicated GMs from Pathfinder 1.0.
Maybe 4 and 5 star GMs get two stars in the new system, 2 and 3 star GMs get one star. Additionally, 4 and 5 star GMs get the requirement to run specials cut in half under the 2.0 system.
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I would like to see a system that divides your current GM games by 5 or 10 to start the new campaign.
Because the advancement for stars is linear, doing that would hurt those GMs with low stars because not has many tables are needed to earn 1, 2, or even 3 stars.
But I see your point about some type of sliding scale because my suggestion would actually hose high star GMs.
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Yeah we have a shy local player who finally earned her first star after two or three years of play. We even got her a stuffed hampster chewing on a little plastic star to commemorate the occasion.
Hopefully a new system will make it easier to get your first star for those in local venues that only play three times a month, but more difficult to complete the new equivalent of "five stars" for those players who play 3 times a week online.
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It's important to note that part of the reason I'm only about to hit 1 star was because I've *done the grind* in other organized play and burnt out so horribly hard I almost stepped away from gaming completely a few years ago.
It's taken me almost four years to get to this star, in part because there have been points I've HQ volunteered(instead of GM'd tables), or several tables didn't fire, or there wasn't a local venue I could get to that I could run at and feel properly comfortable about running.
...I can't imagine it going any faster in effectively a new ranking system.
...not without horrific risk of burnout, that is.
Venture-Captain, Ohio—Columbus
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Stars won't carry over direct, there will be some other symbology, but the team is looking at ways a GM's stars may impact pieces of version 2. If you have an idea, we'd love to hear it.
Assuming PC races will be restricted in some way, I maybe you could unlock alternate races based on the number of existing stars a player has?
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I obviously have a few stars at stake in this discussion.
But I'm going to come out in favor of not doing anything that puts those with stars "ahead" of those without. Most particularly don't give us a jump-start on the symbols in a new campaign.
PFS 2.0 is a great opportunity to bring in new GMs. Level the playing field, as it were. So any 2.0 reward for a 1.0 5-star needs to have absolutely no mechanical effect. No reason for anyone to think they are already starting a lap down.
I kinda like the idea of a race boon. It would have to be something that has a cool flavor but is clearly not mechanically superior to any race that new players could take.
The "Playable Specials" idea does strike me as having potential. Maybe give GMs of 4-star and above access to a PFS 2.0 Season 1 Exclusive. Something that only we can run for the first year. But again, it can't give us a leg up on reaching the top of the new charts. So if 2.0 uses a similar qualification system (must have 10 specials for 5 stars), this scenario wouldn't count towards that total.
Venture-Lieutenant, New Hampshire—Merrimack
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Spitballing:
1. Each 1e star reduces the game requirement for a 2e star, say 20%-50% so if I'm a 1 star 1e GM I need only 8 games for my first 2e star, but the normal 30 for my second. A 3.star 1e gets the discount on the first three 3e stars. So if 20% a 5 star 1e would need: 8, 24, 48, 80, and 120.
2. Eliminate the special requirement for existing 5 star GMs. They've cut their teeth on the unique aspect already.
3. Maybe tack them on. Someone with 4 1e stars and 2 2e stars has two stars with rubies and two without. They earn their 3rd 2e star and they add a third ruby (Or somesuch.)
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Yeah, thats a real problem huh?
I would like to see some of the more popular PFS non-core races given as rewards for having been so loyal. So like Nagaji, Kitsune, Ifrits etc. I realize there might be some challenges with this but so long as the races end up in the first bestiary it should be doable.
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So, does this mean I should just stop agreeing to GM until 2.0 is brought online? Afteall it is sounding like those of us who have played/GM'd many of the games will be getting hosed. Maybe you can just start everyone over since it is sounding like PFS will be made obsolete.
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I didn't GM for the rewards.
I'm looking more at if the credit for the games, the characters we are applying that credit to, etc won't exist when 2.0 goes online...then what's the point? Same as PC's. What the point to play anything anymore if in a year we lose our favorite characters and everything we have accomplished on them?
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If you were playing in a home game, even if you started today, I am willing to bet the character you played would be done by that time anyway.
Organized Play lets us have a much longer campaign than would otherwise be possible but in the end....all campaigns do eventually end.
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I didn't GM for the rewards.I'm looking more at if the credit for the games, the characters we are applying that credit to, etc won't exist when 2.0 goes online...then what's the point?
I actually stopped taking GM credit for the most part, because it reduced the amount of play my characters got.
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I didn't GM for the rewards.I'm looking more at if the credit for the games, the characters we are applying that credit to, etc won't exist when 2.0 goes online...then what's the point? Same as PC's. What the point to play anything anymore if in a year we lose our favorite characters and everything we have accomplished on them?
You could finish their story, these days we have content for level 12 but even that is limited, so if you start now it is totally possible for your character to retire at a high level.
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Personally, I took up GMing to ease the burden for the people who donated the time to GM for me, of course, these days I invest the time support and grow my community.
The other GM perks are just a welcome bonus.
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Stars won't carry over direct, there will be some other symbology, but the team is looking at ways a GM's stars may impact pieces of version 2. If you have an idea, we'd love to hear it.
It's hard to come up with ideas without knowing what the system looks like (which is unavoidable, because the system doesn't exist yet)
keep the stars
Race boons. i mean like goblin level unique. Maybe kobolds?
Shadowlodge membership/ unique pathfinder emeritus faction which we will dub the shadowlodge anyway
keep the stars (sorry, thats going to be a verbal tic...)
being able to skip the "Driving test" or equivilant for star? Starknife? Meteor?Zeplin? 5
Things that I don't think are a good idea
Starting a character at 2nd level: not a big incentive for a dm. who can do this anyway.
Will ponder more while digging out of the impending glacier.
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Would really love to double down on that last bit - giving a small reward like that definitely won't feel like very much.
I really like the idea of being members of an exclusive faction - Seekers or Shadow Lodge with its own unique benefits. They shouldnt even necessarily be better than the other factions but it being kept exclusive will definitely make it feel like an earned reward.
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I like the idea of a couple of exclusive scenarios that require 4-5 stars to run, but only one of those stars has to be from V2.
This ensures that the GM does have some experience with V2, because exclusive scenarios tend to be a bit more involved to run. But it also acknowledges the experience gained GMing in V1. And it's future-proof for people who only start GMing a lot in V2.
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As someone relatively new to the 4 star scene (and doesn't envision getting a 5th before 2nd drops), I'm curious to see how this goes.
Perhaps a scaled down version of the current gm star boon? You only get to apply it to one character, and it gives you a bonus of some kind based on the number of stars you have. Perhaps not as powerful as the current one, but still something somewhat significant to show the effort you put in to get where you're at.
Another one of my curiosities is what will happen to our old boons? Will we be able to trade them in for some kind of effect? "Trade 5 old race boons for x effect" or something along those lines. I know I have at least a half dozen lying around waiting for opportunities that very well might not come to pass. If they're absolutely not going to be involved in 2nd edition in any way, shape, or form, I'm tempted to just give them away to players who might enjoy them at least for the time they have left.
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Stars won't carry over direct, there will be some other symbology, but the team is looking at ways a GM's stars may impact pieces of version 2. If you have an idea, we'd love to hear it.
Wait what? All the time and effort everyone put in supported the game and campaign is going to be invalidated? hmmm this keeps getting better and better
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Venture-Captain, Texas—Austin
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I would like for GM's who earned stars should be rewarded in some capacity, though not with anything like race boons or something that puts them ahead of other players.
I would like to see a system that divides your current GM games by 5 or 10 to start the new campaign.
I like the idea of dividing by 10 to have that much "credit" toward PFS2 "new_stars". Assuming the requirements are the same, that means a new 5 start GM with 100 scenarios gets to start with a single "new_star".
There are other good ideas, like a promotional boon you can only apply to your first character that scales on your number of stars.
At the very least there should be something, even if it is minor just to recognize those that did put in the effort to help the organized play not only possible, but do as well as it did. I mean that for not only the 5 star GM's, but also the 1 star GM's.
I will admit I am a little biased as I am on the verge of hitting my 250th GM credit.
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I'm not so much worried about what my Stars mean in PFS2. I'm fine with reverting to zero stars. I'm also fine with keeping stars and having a new designation for PFS2.
I just hope that my Campaign Service Coin remains viable.
That's actually a VERY important point...
Otherwise the new campaign is saying something VERY not nice about the previous campaign and those who have busted their ass to make PFS what it is today.
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I'm not so much worried about what my Stars mean in PFS2. I'm fine with reverting to zero stars. I'm also fine with keeping stars and having a new designation for PFS2.
I just hope that my Campaign Service Coin remains viable.
That's actually a VERY important point...
Otherwise the new campaign is saying something VERY not nice about the previous campaign and those who have busted their ass to make PFS what it is today.
Campaign service coins provide a benefit in Starfinder Society and the ACG. I think they will continue to recognise achievement across Paizo organised play.
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Although I'm proud of my GM stars, in a few years they will just be relics of an old system. A temporary boon is ideal.
I would like a one time boon that allows a single 2.0 replay for each star. I want this because I'll be running and teaching several 2.0 games to new players and GMs, the replay will allow me to play a scenario at PaizoCon, then run it at the local lodge, then play in it as a new GM that I ran it for runs it. (Starting new GMs with scenarios I'm familiar with has been successful for me and has used most my replays.)
A 2.0 version of the Swords/Scrolls/Spells boon (that uses your 1.0 stars to determine the boon) would be a nice fun feel-good addition to my first character.
I would like a boon that provides a discounted/free raise dead for other characters. This is intended to help any early deaths during that start-up phase while there are limited scenarios, or where a since character death sets back the whole group in a small lodge.
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I'm not so much worried about what my Stars mean in PFS2. I'm fine with reverting to zero stars. I'm also fine with keeping stars and having a new designation for PFS2.
I just hope that my Campaign Service Coin remains viable.
That's actually a VERY important point...
Otherwise the new campaign is saying something VERY not nice about the previous campaign and those who have busted their ass to make PFS what it is today.
Just to nip this idea in the bud: expect the Campaign Service Coin and Order of the Wayfinder to still provide a benefit in the new campaign (much as they offer a benefit in Starfinder Society).
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Just to nip this idea in the bud: expect the Campaign Service Coin and Order of the Wayfinder to still provide a benefit in the new campaign (much as they offer a benefit in Starfinder Society).I'm not so much worried about what my Stars mean in PFS2. I'm fine with reverting to zero stars. I'm also fine with keeping stars and having a new designation for PFS2.
I just hope that my Campaign Service Coin remains viable.
That's actually a VERY important point...
Otherwise the new campaign is saying something VERY not nice about the previous campaign and those who have busted their ass to make PFS what it is today.
Thanks for putting that to rest John.
