It seems perfectly clear that bane/greater bane last 5 rounds longer. You don't turn a class ability called bane on in the same way that a Barb turns on a class ability called rage. You use the ability to grant bane to your weapon for CL+5 rounds a day.
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I think the wording makes it perfectly clear that it does not. You have to read into the item (based on its low cost) to come to that conclusion.
No, actually, I didn't. That's how I read it at first brush. Upon further reading, I stand completely behind my initial thoughts.
If the wearer is an inquisitor, she is treated as five levels higher when using her bane and greater bane abilities
This does mean she is treated as five levels higher only in regards to bane. Yes, with this item has an Inquisitor level+5 rounds of bane a day.
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A higher level inquisitor would also have higher and more spell slots, and more spells known. Your reading means every time you use bane, you can choose spells, even ones up to two spell levels ahead, and cast them.
I'm sorry, but your reading is ridiculous.
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@Ultimis Pretty sure Divine Spellcasters don't have to rest to gain spells.
Time of Day
A divine spellcaster chooses and prepares spells ahead of time, but unlike a wizard, does not require a period of rest to prepare spells. Instead, the character chooses a particular time of day to pray and receive spells. The time is usually associated with some daily event. If some event prevents a character from praying at the proper time, she must do so as soon as possible. If the character does not stop to pray for spells at the first opportunity, she must wait until the next day to prepare spells.
You still wouldn't have access to them though as even if you used bane while praying they'd vanish the second you stopped using bane.
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You're right, the wording could be better.
But in context it's clearly intended to only affect the Bane ability.
(1) Even without gaining spells or BAB, it's WAY too cheap to make you 5 levels higher for Bane, Judgment, CL, Stern Gaze, and maybe some other features I'm forgetting. Even if it's just while Bane is active.
(2) If the massive consensus reached on the boards was wrong, someone on the Dev team or PFS would probably have noticed by now.
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The bane Baldric only effects your bane and greater bane class abilities. If it effected your
Caster level the item would be much more expensive. The orange prism ioun stone costs 30k and only increases you CL 1+1d4/2. People really need to stop reading things into items. The Bane baldric is already the must have item for inquistors as soon as they can get it.
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@DerkLord
You don't gain access to spells until you have rested. While technically you would have the ability to cast spells 2 levels higher for the 10 - 15 rounds of bane; you would have 0/day for those spell slots.
First, lowercase L.
Second, spontaneous divine casters don't need to rest at all. The rules are actually pretty light in that regard (as there are no spontaneous divine casters in the CRB), so basically the only thing we can go by is the actual class description. Which says "[The inquisitor] can cast any spell she knows at any time without preparing it ahead of time, assuming she has not yet used up her allotment of spells per day for the spell’s level."The wording of the item does not support the default consensus on its use.
And context doesn't support your interpretation. That's the problem. You look at the first sentence in a vacuum.
You completely ignore thet there isn't a single item in the game that completely advances a character's level, only ever for certain class features. You apparently treat the first two sentences (of the rule relevant part) as completely unrelated, and ignore the similarity this item has with others (like Monk's Robe).I would have been fine with people saying "Yeah it was poorly worded, but based on similar based items and its cost this is the most likely effect".
Isn't that what I did? I dismissed your interpretation solely on the grounds that it would be the most powerful item in the game.
Yes, it's badly written and uses rather vague language, but if you have two possible interpretations, and one of those breaks the game while the other makes everything work just fine, it simply makes no sense to use the former.
The English language is not that hard people (unless it's not your first language).
Quite frankly, you shouldn't presume people on this board to be native speakers. Especially since two people in this thread have german names.
Look guys "when using her" is just another way of saying "in regards to." The reason why it wasn't worded "extra rounds of" is that you do gain early access to greater bane. That's it that's all, that's what the punctuation in the sentence imply. English is just funny like that. If it was in regards to during the period of active use of the ability, the word used would have been "while" not "when." In this case when is being used in more of an infinitive use, not a specific.
If you really want confirmation take it to a university and show it to an English professor, preferably an old professor.
It doesn't promote this to Greater Bane or anything similar.
You effectively just get 5 extra rounds of bane per day.
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Yeah, there's no universe where it grants early access to greater bane. You could be 100 levels higher with respect to your bane ability. If you aren't a level 12+ inquisitor, you don't get greater bane.
Now if the Bane ability was worded like "At level 12, the amount of bonus damage dealt by the weapon against creatures of the selected type increases to 4d6." then yes, early greater bane. It's not worded that way. Bane has nothing to do with and has no effect on Greater Bane.
You completely ignore thet there isn't a single item in the game that completely advances a character's level, only ever for certain class features.
Did they get rid of the Bead of karma? That's good for 10 minutes a day at 20,000 gp.
You may get 5 additional rounds, but you get less if you stop after you used the last normal round. Say you had 1 round left. Using it you now get five more rounds worth. But if you stop after two rounds, you loose the rest without any way to get them back.
@Gallant Armor:
Using is not activating. I can use two rounds of bane with only one activation.
I think you get effective +5 levels to things dependent of levels, but you don't get to unlock anything.
/cevah
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You completely ignore thet there isn't a single item in the game that completely advances a character's level, only ever for certain class features.Did they get rid of the Bead of karma? That's good for 10 minutes a day at 20,000 gp.
That item doesn't disprove Derklord's assertion - it only increases one class feature (caster level).
Look guys "when using her" is just another way of saying "in regards to." The reason why it wasn't worded "extra rounds of" is that you do gain early access to greater bane. That's it that's all, that's what the punctuation in the sentence imply. English is just funny like that. If it was in regards to during the period of active use of the ability, the word used would have been "while" not "when." In this case when is being used in more of an infinitive use, not a specific.
If you really want confirmation take it to a university and show it to an English professor, preferably an old professor.
I'd suggest a linguist instead - they're more likely to tell you how people would actually phrase things rather than how they're supposed to phrase things. (In particular, if you're looking for an old professor preferentially it sounds like an out of date linguistic useage.)
@Gallant Armor:
Using is not activating. I can use two rounds of bane with only one activation.A level 10 Inquisitor without bane baldric can activate bane anywhere from 1 to 10 rounds with a single activation.
A level 10 Inquisitor with bane baldric can activate bane anywhere from 1 to 15 rounds with a single activation as the ability was activated by an effective level 15 Inquisitor.
Not quite. They activate it as a 10th level Inquisitor, but they get an extra 5 rounds worth after activation.
If you want to be pedantic an Inquisitor uses the item when they activate or choose to extend bane; it is a narrow, discrete effect not a broad, continuous effect.
The reason why the word when is so important in this context is that when is much more limiting than while. It limits the effects of bane baldric to the bane and greater bane class features. Nothing else is gained.
"When I use a hammer on a nail" implies the entire time I have a hammer in hand and a nail in front of me. It does not mean only when I actually hit the nail.
"When in Rome" means all the time I am in Rome. It is semantically the same as "While in Rome".
Activation (and changing) requires a swift action. Keeping bane up is a non-action. Why would the baldric trigger on a non-action?
The bane, when activated, lasts the whole round, with the possibility of multiple attacks. It lasts until the start of the next round, adding attacks of opportunity to the attacks with bane.
If the baldric only worked when you activated or expend a round of bane, then you would loose the extra 5 rounds of bane since the effect was not on at the beginning of the next round when you want to extend bane.
An Inquisitor of level 1, 2, 3, or 4 does not have the Bane class ability to activate and so uses this item as if he/ she was not an Inquisitor. The Baldric does not grant early access to the Bane class ability to add extra rounds to.
Not so. A low level Inquisitor gets no benefit. Either you are an Inquisitor or you are not. Inquisitors get a benefit when expending bane. Non-Inquisitors get a different benefit. If the Inquisitor has no bane to expend, then they get no benefit from it.
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A shame how poorly this is worded. Especially when a 1st level fighter who stumbles across this would gain an amazing benefit, while a 4th level inquisitor would gain no benefit. Additionally, an inquisitor that trades out bane via archetype would not gain anything from this even at 20th level.
Neat idea - poorly executed.