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To whom it may concern,

In the newly released Ultimate Wilderness there is an archetype called 'Oozemorph', of the new Shifter class.

While the natural reaction would be to outright restrict and/or ban an archetype that has some of the benefits of the archetype, those benefits are very much outweighed by the negatives that an aspiring blob-sort must endure.

It is a humble request then, that this archetype be made legal when Ultimate Wilderness is added to the Additional Resources and Campaign Clarifications.

Thank you very much for your time in advance!

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Jell-O is made of boiled horse cartilage =/

I know nothing about this Class. I assume from the name that it can Wildshape into Oozes?

There's a particular medium-sized crystalline Ooze that I'm sure Campaign Leadership might want to restrict...

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*drops spoon*

Wait WHAT?

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Nefreet, the other way around.

Details:

Class turns character into ooze and whatever humanoid they were before taking class, and they can assume a humanoid form for 1 hr/level @ 1/2 class levels for number of times per day.

It provides potentially significant advantages, but also significant drawbacks... in their 'base' ooze form they get immunity to crits and precision damage, and flanking, but they can't wear armor, use weapons, cast spells, speak, and are considered to have no slots for equipment.

Yeah, that particular ooze would be pretty nasty. Perhaps it's only Core Bestiary oozes?

Flutter, pay that no mind.

Gelatin can come from many sources.


Haha, oh man, that's awesome…

I presume that it doesn't turn you into a specific bestiary ooze, but just turns you into an ooze. Then you get archetype powers to turn into other things.

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I'm still waiting for a Society-legal Ooze Companion feat for my Druid.

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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
Gelatin can come from many sources.

You're probably thinking of Pectin, which is plant-based.

Gelatin is animal-based.

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Nefreet wrote:
Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
Gelatin can come from many sources.

You're probably thinking of Pectin, which is plant-based.

Gelatin is animal-based.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh.


Is the alter self as SLA? If it is dispel magic can melt oozeshapers, which sounds hilarious.

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Continued notes:

It says 'identical to Alter Self', but it also has hours per level duration... and if they drop out of it early they are fatigued for as many minutes as they were hours in the non-ooze form.

So pretty sure that yes, Dispel Magic could shut it down pretty hard, and they'd be fatigued and oozy.

If they try to 'push past' the limit for their uses/level, it's DC 15 Fort (or turn back into ooze), then +1 per additional hour until they rest for eight hours.

I know, right?


Wei Ji the Learner wrote:

Class turns character into ooze and whatever humanoid they were before taking class, and they can assume a humanoid form for 1 hr/level @ 1/2 class levels for number of times per day.

It provides potentially significant advantages, but also significant drawbacks... in their 'base' ooze form they get immunity to crits and precision damage, and flanking, but they can't wear armor, use weapons, cast spells, *speak*, and are considered to have no slots for equipment.

Hmmmmmm...

PFSRD wrote:

Oozes eat and *breathe*, but do not sleep.

Bear with me here: Being unable to talk is a huge disadvantage, probably the biggest one for me. But as far as I can see there's nothing preventing the Oozemorph to take up an instrument, like a trumpet or harmonica, and use that to communicate at a distance.

What I do wonder is which of these two forms is the "combat" form? The vanilla shifter gets his claws all the time, is it the same for the Oozemorph?


Yeah, not being able to talk is also difficult for roleplay opportunities as well. But you get a big boost at fourth level, from three to eight hours.

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More stuff:

They can't hold objects, either, but apparently they can use two primary natural 'attacks' @1d6 in whatever form they are in, and can swap any of them from piercing to bashing to slashing as a swift action. They get an additional primary attack at L6 and L15. That's the limiter for their attacks, even if they're in a form that allows for more

Not being able to talk isn't necessarily as bad as one might think if one is creative. It doesn't appear that the ooze-form is unable to communicate entirely, just not speak. They could make a pseudopod to write with, maybe?

And it doesn't look like they are immune to mind-affecting, so Message would be exceptionally useful.


Pseudopod to write with is holding an object, and Message is a transmutation to make whispers carry better. Still, plenty of non-verbal options, and it could be fun setting up a limited system of communication.

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For anyone whose listening, the ideas here would make great summoner/unchained summoner eidolon base form/evolutions.

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QuidEst wrote:
Pseudopod to write with is holding an object, and Message is a transmutation to make whispers carry better. Still, plenty of non-verbal options, and it could be fun setting up a limited system of communication.

I was thinking more cuneiform writing in mud tablets with a tendril rather than actually holding a pen or somesuch. And no, the ooze-entity wouldn't be carrying the item to write upon...

That's just off the top of the head, as it were.

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QuidEst wrote:
Yeah, not being able to talk is also difficult for roleplay opportunities as well. But you get a big boost at fourth level, from three to eight hours.

For the sake of argument...

Is it significantly worse than a chained monk that took a Vow of Silence? I get that monks can still write, but how often do they actually bother?


Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
QuidEst wrote:
Pseudopod to write with is holding an object, and Message is a transmutation to make whispers carry better. Still, plenty of non-verbal options, and it could be fun setting up a limited system of communication.

I was thinking more cuneiform writing in mud tablets with a tendril rather than actually holding a pen or somesuch. And no, the ooze-entity wouldn't be carrying the item to write upon...

That's just off the top of the head, as it were.

Ooh, nice thinking, yeah.

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If I were asked to adjudicate what an ooze could actually hold, I'd consider any object that could be manipulated while wearing greasy oven mitts.

You'd have to check if their chemical touch is always on, as that could dissolve the writing implement.

And if they don't so much 'see', as 'be aware' of their surroundings, I'd say they'd be writing blind.

So, it's doable, but would look like a drunken, or pre-schooler scrawl.

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Message still requires that you speak and respond.

You can whisper messages and receive whispered replies.

so it's not telepathy it's a cel phone with a good speaker (more magically implausible than telepathy)

If you can use a ring of eloquence that will help, but i don't know how magic item slots work as a jello mold.


BigNorseWolf wrote:

Message still requires that you speak and respond.

You can whisper messages and receive whispered replies.

so it's not telepathy it's a cel phone with a good speaker (more magically implausible than telepathy)

If you can use a ring of eloquence that will help, but i don't know how magic item slots work as a jello mold.

Mentioned no slots. There’s a teamwork feat for wordless communication based on Message. Doesn’t stop it from being a spell necessarily, but the spell allows responding without casting. That might work.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:

Message still requires that you speak and respond.

You can whisper messages and receive whispered replies.

so it's not telepathy it's a cel phone with a good speaker (more magically implausible than telepathy)

If you can use a ring of eloquence that will help, but i don't know how magic item slots work as a jello mold.

No magic items would tend to preclude rings. It looks like the cuneiform route is the best route.

That, or simply let everyone know at the table that you won't be communicating via speech when you sit down to play, like a monk with the Silence vow as noted above?

It doesn't, after all, mean a vow of Deafness, right?

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Pick up a rock and tap with it?

... --- ...

"Whats that? Timmy fell down the well with a compound fracture of the lower mandible?"


BigNorseWolf wrote:


If you can use a ring of eloquence that will help, but i don't know how magic item slots work as a jello mold.

Wei Jei wrote:

It provides potentially significant advantages, but also significant drawbacks... in their 'base' ooze form they get immunity to crits and precision damage, and flanking, but they can't wear armor, use weapons, cast spells, speak, and are considered to have no slots for equipment.

Bolding mine looks like none


In a home game, my approach would be making a set of cards.
*wobbles vertically*
*wobbles horizontally*
*wobbles omnisirectionally*
*compresses flat and ripples*
for “Yes”, “No”, “Maybe”, and “Little Timmy’s fallen down the well” respectively.

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"One pseudopod for yes, Two for no, a whole bunch of them at once for 'heck if I know?' and moving around like chemical downspout 'We'll talk later, get the bad guys!' "

I like that.

Quid's idea works to, and it'd be more communication than some of my *other* characters have given for an entire scenario... :P

...and no, they weren't Vow of Silence monks...

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they keep a house clean of all vermin, litter, and penguins... tekeli-li, tekeli-li...


This archetype must be allowed for PFS, just look how creative this got before most of us have even read its stats,
let alone played it. Come on, Paizo!

Now I think that in a pinch the shifter could probably write on the ground by scratching the letters into the wood/stone (which is a hilarious hook for evil GMs, who points out to the player half-way through the campaign that he's been leaving written clues behind every step of the way. XD)

Also: Taking ranks in linguistics should be enough for simple signlangues right?

Also what is *Chemical Touch?* If it is an ability that adds acid damage to the natural weapons of the shifter I definitely think that writing on surfaces should be easy.

If it adds some sort of effect to the natural stacks I certainly see how the Oozemorph could be dangerous in combat.


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Talonhawke wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:


If you can use a ring of eloquence that will help, but i don't know how magic item slots work as a jello mold.

Wei Jei wrote:

It provides potentially significant advantages, but also significant drawbacks... in their 'base' ooze form they get immunity to crits and precision damage, and flanking, but they can't wear armor, use weapons, cast spells, speak, and are considered to have no slots for equipment.

Bolding mine looks like none

This looks like a type of character who should collect Ioun Stones.


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The Fool wrote:
Bear with me here: Being unable to talk is a huge disadvantage, probably the biggest one for me. But as far as I can see there's nothing preventing the Oozemorph to take up an instrument, like a trumpet or harmonica, and use that to communicate at a distance.

The wibble-wobble bugle ooze from Company B?

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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
QuidEst wrote:
Pseudopod to write with is holding an object, and Message is a transmutation to make whispers carry better. Still, plenty of non-verbal options, and it could be fun setting up a limited system of communication.

I was thinking more cuneiform writing in mud tablets with a tendril rather than actually holding a pen or somesuch. And no, the ooze-entity wouldn't be carrying the item to write upon...

That's just off the top of the head, as it were.

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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
QuidEst wrote:
Pseudopod to write with is holding an object, and Message is a transmutation to make whispers carry better. Still, plenty of non-verbal options, and it could be fun setting up a limited system of communication.

I was thinking more cuneiform writing in mud tablets with a tendril rather than actually holding a pen or somesuch. And no, the ooze-entity wouldn't be carrying the item to write upon...

That's just off the top of the head, as it were.

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ahhh, the devil is in the dark details... just form out the message in letters or runes using your body. No need to etch a sketch.

Can the PC take Extra Item Slot feat for his ooze form?

"Horta the Explorer" and monkey companion "Punt" or "Galoshes"...


Unbegreiflich wrote:


Can the PC take Extra Item Slot feat for his ooze form?

I think so. The Ooze is your actual body after all. I have yet to read the book itself though, so I wouldn't know for sure; there might be something in there that says you can't.

It would be fun to play an ooze with a hat though.

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I think you need lungs for a trumpet. Or bellows.

perform: one man band?


Hurdy-gurdy, maybe?

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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
QuidEst wrote:
Pseudopod to write with is holding an object, and Message is a transmutation to make whispers carry better. Still, plenty of non-verbal options, and it could be fun setting up a limited system of communication.

I was thinking more cuneiform writing in mud tablets with a tendril rather than actually holding a pen or somesuch. And no, the ooze-entity wouldn't be carrying the item to write upon...

That's just off the top of the head, as it were.

I have a foxform kitsune that hands a picinic basket over to party members. I suppose the ooze could have a wax writing tablet in there.

"Oh right, the bucket is your party member. The picinic basket is his equipment. Try not to mix those up. We're still finding bits and pieces of him on the barbarian..."

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