Love in space!!

[Alundrell]

So my group was rolling up character for our upcoming starfinder game. He have all been playing together for a while and there are usually strong elements of love and romance in our games. Either PC relationships or PC/ NPC relationships. With all the new core races one of my players asked me which races were "physically compatible" and my only reply was "well genetically I'm sure none of them arebut physically I'm not sure, , " as he is playing a human I told him with humans androids obviously are since they are modeled after humans, fully functional and anotomicaly correct. I'm going to assume Lashunta are as well since all the art I've seen they look 90% human with anteni. Yesoki...sure. they are small furry mammals if that's your thing who am I to judge. they got the requisite parts have fun. And I'm certain the Shirren are totally NOT compatible. But that leaves the Vesk and the Kasatha. I am no zoologist and don't know much about lizard/ reptile anatomy but I would assume that vesk and other mammalian humanoids wouldn't work. Besides the vesk don't strike me as a race that would do anything outside their race anyway. The Kasatha are a real question mark. I am leaning toward yes based on all the art from pathfinder. What do you guys think?

[The Sideromancer]

Is he playing a human? If so, PF has precedence for humans interbreeding with every humanoid, including reptiles and kasatha:

SRD, racial heritage wrote:

The blood of a non-human ancestor flows in your veins.

Prerequisite: Human.

Benefit: Choose another humanoid race. You count as both human and that race for any effects related to race. For example, if you choose dwarf, you are considered both a human and a dwarf for the purpose of taking traits, feats, how spells and magic items affect you, and so on.

And that's before templates and sorcerer bloodlines.

Edit: and both Shirren and Androids are Humanoid type

[kaid]

Where there is a will thee is a way.

[MagicA]

the thing is the shirren have breeding arms
not sure how that would work with humans
between the Vesk and Kasatha, I would say maybe the Kasatha would be more compatible mechanically with humans than vesk

[DM_aka_Dudemeister]

If a Turian or a Quarian and a human can find love despite the fundamental differences in their biology then anyone can.

[Tarik Blackhands]

If it has two legs, humans will find a way to spawn some half-abomination with it. That includes Shirren, it's only a matter of time before a way is jury rigged.

[DM_aka_Dudemeister]

Tarik Blackhands wrote:

If it has two legs, humans will find a way to spawn some half-abomination with it. That includes Shirren, it's only a matter of time before a way is jury rigged.

This is Hanar love erasure.

[Shaudius]

Life finds a way.

[Tarik Blackhands]

DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:

Tarik Blackhands wrote:

If it has two legs, humans will find a way to spawn some half-abomination with it. That includes Shirren, it's only a matter of time before a way is jury rigged.

This is Hanar love erasure.

No human would want to procreate with a big, stupid jellyfish.

[DM_aka_Dudemeister]

Word on the extranet is that Blasto is an excellent lover.

[Alundrell]

The Sideromancer wrote:

Is he playing a human? If so, PF has precedence for humans interbreeding with every humanoid, including reptiles and kasatha:

SRD, racial heritage wrote:

The blood of a non-human ancestor flows in your veins.

Prerequisite: Human.

Benefit: Choose another humanoid race. You count as both human and that race for any effects related to race. For example, if you choose dwarf, you are considered both a human and a dwarf for the purpose of taking traits, feats, how spells and magic items affect you, and so on.

And that's before templates and sorcerer bloodlines.

Edit: and both Shirren and Androids are Humanoid type

Yeah he is playing a human. Thanks for that, that helps.

[Jürgen Hubert]

Quote:

Tarik Blackhands wrote:

This is Hanar love erasure.

No human would want to procreate with a big, stupid jellyfish.

...you just had to invoke Rule 34, didn't you?

[Tarik Blackhands]

Jürgen Hubert wrote:

Tarik Blackhands wrote:

This is Hanar love erasure.

No human would want to procreate with a big, stupid jellyfish.

...you just had to invoke Rule 34, didn't you?

Shepard buys those magazines strictly for the articles! The articles I tell you!

[Alundrell]

Jürgen Hubert wrote:

Quote:

Tarik Blackhands wrote:

This is Hanar love erasure.

No human would want to procreate with a big, stupid jellyfish.

...you just had to invoke Rule 34, didn't you?

it wasn't me it was my players.....yeah my players did it

[Jürgen Hubert]

In general I would say as long as the entities involved have erogenous zones [1], they can have recreational sex unless said zones are somewhere really inaccessible without a highly specific anatomy (and even then there will probably be technological workarounds).

[1]Hopefully all of the entities have erogenous zones, but in a pinch one will do.

[Aerotan]

Honestly the question is generally less "What will a human try to sleep with?" (because the answer here is 'anything, just find the right human') and more "Won't won't try to sleep with a human?".

None of the core races strike me as that insular, but Contemplatives might have the right sort of physical detachment that they won't actively seek out humans. Likewise, I get the sense from Brethedan descriptions and references that they either don't reproduce like that or wouldn't see humans as viable partners.

[Tacticslion]

Though this means very little canonically...

... in my game, we have a kasathan soldier and ysoki ace pilot who are married.

So... there's that, at least!

(The same ship has a lashunta doctor and his phrenic adept sister, a vesk hired as the "people person", an android captain with a chip on his shoulder, and an ysoki devoted to Hylax; though it also contains a half-orc priestess, a bounty hunter, a weird elf, and two quiet agents - a gnome and an android; it used to contain more kastha and some humans, but, back story and random dice meant they've all joined the choir invisible. There's also an android awaiting renewal, but it's taking its sweet time.)

[kaid]

Given all the halfbreeds in various pathfinder stuff it looks like enough desire/will/creativity and possibly magic allows for a lot of fairly dubious sounding pairings to create viable and healthy children.

Even without the ability to procreate if two people love each other with enough creativity and time I am sure just about any combination could find ways to "enjoy each others company" in some fashion both would find satisfying. Hehe I use the garrus romance in mass effect as an illustration of that as is the tali romance. In both cases one of the partners is somewhat or potentially a lot toxic/allergic to the other so a lot of care and thought has to go into figuring out how to make things work out and yet love finds a way.

[Albatoonoe]

You know, I just read a Slipshine comic about a Human woman and bug woman. Really, if two aliens figure out how each other works, the sky's the limit. DO IT FOR LOVE

[The Drunken Dragon]

Based on a cursory examination of the internet, I'm going to guess that a human and pretty much anything can find a way to make it work. If Captain Kirk and Jack Harkness taught me anything, it's that human creativity when it comes to interspecies procreation is basically infinite.

[Alundrell]

Wow that's for all the responses! You guys had some great input and really helped.

[MagicA]

Well, one other thing to consider is this

since the elves have evolved and adapted onto the same planet as teh Lashunta, and because humans can still mate successfully and produce fertile and viable offspring half elves, then scientifically speaking humans and lashunta should be able to copulate successfully as well

[Tarik Blackhands]

Not necessarily. I mean, humans evolved and adapted on the same planet as dolphins and we can't exactly make fertile offspring with those.

I mean, this is fantasy, so odds are high that the second best hybrid breeder in the universe (behind dragons naturally) can make half-lashuntas, but I'd hardly take it as a given. I mean, dwarves have managed to elude cross-bred hybrids so far...

[Cole Deschain]

Pffft. Head-canon: Lashunta are the time-displaced descendants of human/shirren pairings in the near future.

[Aerotan]

Tarik Blackhands wrote:

Not necessarily. I mean, humans evolved and adapted on the same planet as dolphins and we can't exactly make fertile offspring with those.

I mean, this is fantasy, so odds are high that the second best hybrid breeder in the universe (behind dragons naturally) can make half-lashuntas, but I'd hardly take it as a given. I mean, dwarves have managed to elude cross-bred hybrids so far...

That's a cultural thing. You either are a dwarf or you aren't. If one of your parents happens to have been a human just means you are a tall and lanky dwarf, or a short and stocky human. Dwarvenness is binary. Gnomes and halflings too.

[Umbral Reaver]

Now have a romance between a human and a sentient mobile fortress.

[Jürgen Hubert]

Umbral Reaver wrote:

Now have a romance between a human and a sentient mobile fortress.

All the fortress needs is a robotic avatar with certain... enhancements.

[Jürgen Hubert]

Tarik Blackhands wrote:

Not necessarily. I mean, humans evolved and adapted on the same planet as dolphins and we can't exactly make fertile offspring with those.

Not for lack of trying... on both sides. To "successfully copulate" depends on your definition of "success", after all.

And hybrids might be created with a little genetic engineering if they don't come "naturally".

[MageHunter]

It seems like at least one Oras devotee has tried mixing the DNA of different species.

[Ventnor]

That would be an interesting character concept. A Priest of Oras whose ultimate goal is to ensure that everyone in the universe can love whoever they want to love, no matter what shape that love takes.

[Jürgen Hubert]

Ventnor wrote:

That would be an interesting character concept. A Priest of Oras whose ultimate goal is to ensure that everyone in the universe can love whoever they want to love, no matter what shape that love takes.

Or to be more precise, that they can produce viable, fertile offspring.

What could possibly go wrong?

[Ravingdork]

Another one?

Surely you could have posted this in one of the many existing threads going into exhaustive detail about interspecies relations.

[Wei Ji the Learner]

...but I won't do that...

[Ravingdork]

lol!

[khadgar567]

and they say eldar created slaneesh keep up the work guys birth of new god is near the completion

[Roo Stercogburn]

My first Starfinder character is a Shirren. I'm pretty sure he'll mate with anything, even furniture. Possibly has done. But he's a chatshow host so probably too loathsome for anything sentient to consider.

[Rothlis]

Umbral Reaver wrote:

Now have a romance between a human and a sentient mobile fortress.

Reminds me of arpeggio of blue steel

[Tacticslion]

Albatoonoe wrote:

You know, I just read a Slipshine comic about a Human woman and bug woman. Really, if two aliens figure out how each other works, the sky's the limit. DO IT FOR LOVE

That actually sounds really Intersting! Do you have a link?

[Tarik Blackhands]

Tacticslion wrote:

Albatoonoe wrote:

You know, I just read a Slipshine comic about a Human woman and bug woman. Really, if two aliens figure out how each other works, the sky's the limit. DO IT FOR LOVE

That actually sounds really Intersting! Do you have a link?

I'd wager a link would bring the mods down on the guy unless Slipshine has done a 180 at some point and is no longer a collection of pornography strips.

[Metaphysician]

Aerotan wrote:

Tarik Blackhands wrote:

Not necessarily. I mean, humans evolved and adapted on the same planet as dolphins and we can't exactly make fertile offspring with those.

I mean, this is fantasy, so odds are high that the second best hybrid breeder in the universe (behind dragons naturally) can make half-lashuntas, but I'd hardly take it as a given. I mean, dwarves have managed to elude cross-bred hybrids so far...

That's a cultural thing. You either are a dwarf or you aren't. If one of your parents happens to have been a human just means you are a tall and lanky dwarf, or a short and stocky human. Dwarvenness is binary. Gnomes and halflings too.

That kind of would put a kind of sad implication on the elves, mind, if they are the only ones to care about racial purity(!) enough to create a defined half-breed category.

[Metaphysician]

Also, put me down as another fan of Oras, God of Interspecies Mating. I imagine that, every now and then, an interspecies mix that, by all prior measurements, *should not* be viable. . . wham, bam, suddenly now has an impossible kid. Because every now and then, Oras reaches down and grants a blessing.

[The Sideromancer]

This defific name keeps making a better reference all the time

Oras:

Oras is a abbreviation of a pair of pokemon games, Omega Ruby and Alpha Sappire. Obviously, I went in on the refernce with him being the god of evolution.

A mechanic of the pokemon games is breeding. Interestingly, it's entirely possible to crossbreed e.g. a hermit crab and an animate sword. Because certain moves are inherited, sometimes it's preferable to breed your turtle with your horseshoe crab, and cross the resultant with your jellyfish.

Basically, Oras being into crossbreeding only cements him in my mind as being a reference

[Aerotan]

Metaphysician wrote:

Aerotan wrote:

Tarik Blackhands wrote:

Not necessarily. I mean, humans evolved and adapted on the same planet as dolphins and we can't exactly make fertile offspring with those.

I mean, this is fantasy, so odds are high that the second best hybrid breeder in the universe (behind dragons naturally) can make half-lashuntas, but I'd hardly take it as a given. I mean, dwarves have managed to elude cross-bred hybrids so far...

That's a cultural thing. You either are a dwarf or you aren't. If one of your parents happens to have been a human just means you are a tall and lanky dwarf, or a short and stocky human. Dwarvenness is binary. Gnomes and halflings too.

That kind of would put a kind of sad implication on the elves, mind, if they are the only ones to care about racial purity(!) enough to create a defined half-breed category.

It's less that they care more about racial purity and more that dwarves are a strongly, staunchly traditionalist culture. Anyone who was born to a dwarf, was raised by dwarves, and follows dwarven cultural traditions is a dwarf. Nobody else is.

Elves, meanwhile, are much less rigid culturally. They take in art and beauty from any culture and adapt it, perfect it. Unfortunately though, a half-elf matures much much more quickly than an elf child, physically, needs more sleep and more food, and can't see quite as well.

[Steven "Troll" O'Neal]

I've already house ruled that any character can take racial heritage. Though there aren't any racial feats so it's not yet useful.

[FirstChAoS]

Tacticslion wrote:

([ooc]The same ship has a android captain with a chip on his shoulder

Is it a pentium? :)

All jokes aside, perhaps one of the most telling things about humanity in fantasy games is when you say a half race you do not need to specify what the other half is. They know, oh yes they know.

[Jürgen Hubert]

In science fiction, too. I mean, is there a "half anything" character in Star Trek who isn't half human?

[David knott 242]

Jürgen Hubert wrote:

In science fiction, too. I mean, is there a "half anything" character in Star Trek who isn't half human?

I seem to recall a half-Klingon/half-Romulan and a half-Bajoran/half-Cardassian.

[The Sideromancer]

David knott 242 wrote:

Jürgen Hubert wrote:

In science fiction, too. I mean, is there a "half anything" character in Star Trek who isn't half human?

I seem to recall a half-Klingon/half-Romulan and a half-Bajoran/half-Cardassian.

Voyager had a Kazon/Cardassian (though the cardassian parent thought they had the human DNA rather than the Kazon DNA)

[David knott 242]

The Sideromancer wrote:

David knott 242 wrote:

Jürgen Hubert wrote:

In science fiction, too. I mean, is there a "half anything" character in Star Trek who isn't half human?

I seem to recall a half-Klingon/half-Romulan and a half-Bajoran/half-Cardassian.

Voyager had a Kazon/Cardassian (though the cardassian parent thought they had the human DNA rather than the Kazon DNA)

Wasn't the mother in that case a Cardassian disguised as a Bajoran?

[UnArcaneElection]

^Yep.

(Remembers how BAD Star Trek Voyager was . . . .)