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I´m confused about some specific wording here...
It seems like at minimum it should be better worded to remove confusion.
At 19th level, the magus gains access to an expanded spell list. He learns and places 14 spells from the wizard’s spell list into his spellbook as magus spells of their wizard level. He gains two of each of the following wizard spells not on the magus spell list:
0-level, 1st-level, 2nd-level, 3rd-level, 4th-level, 5th-level, and 6th-level.
He can ignore the somatic component of these spells, casting them without the normal chance of spell failure.
I´m only confused about the last line...
Does this mean all these spells effectively become Stilled, as if they didn´t have a somatic component?So even if you are paralyzed, or in a situation such that you can´t use ANY somatic spells, you can cast these?
I can also see that perhaps it was just trying to emphasize that they arn´t subject to ASF% from Armor.
(i.e. a redundant reminder since they are treated ´as magus spells of their wizard level´)
Not to mention that there could easily be some other effect BESIDES Armor that gives somatic spells an ASF%,
which the Magus Armor Casting ability would do nothing for, but this may possibly apply to.
I think it´s fine to re-emphasize that aspect, but it should be worded a bit clearer
if it´s NOT intended that you ignore the somatic component for ALL purposes.
If it´s desired to emphasize they can be cast in Armor like normal Magus spells, it´s better to state that directly,
rather than talking about ignoring somatic components (which the Magus Armor Casting ability doesn´t do)
and alluding to ´normal´ chance of spell failure.
That doesn't seem right to me. I suspect RAI is just to make them additional Magus spells which he can cast in heavy armor without an arcane spell failure chance.
Does this mean all these spells effectively become Stilled, as if they didn´t have a somatic component?
From my reading, yes, those spells are effectively Stilled (and thus are not susceptible to ASF). That's hardly an unbalanced ability for a 19th level character, IMO.
Yeah, I don´t think it´s unbalanced per se, they´re getting plenty of other stuff that´s more powerful.
It´s just that I suspect that the intent WASN´T to give them auto-Still Spell,
rather than simply to redudantly emphasize that they can be cast in Armor like other Magus spells.
(never mind that the other mentions of casting in armor never say ´ignore somatic components´)
If you're paralysed, material components will give you trouble. Verbal ones, too. Your mouth needs to move for you to be able to talk.
If you're paralysed, material components will give you trouble. Verbal ones, too. Your mouth needs to move for you to be able to talk.
I agree with KaeYoss.
For a 19th level power i think 14 still spells are perfectly acceptable.
Paralyzed was just an example, yes I had thought of those aspects for that case.
I think Grappled may bar Somatic Spells (but not Material/Verbal), though there is an incongruency between how that is described in different sections of the rules, but assuming that is the case, that would be another example. Not to mention effects/conditions specifically applying some ASF% to somatic spells, independent of armor. (i feel like i remember seeing one of these in UM itself, but can´t remember exactly where)
I don´t think there´s much to debate,
it´s just a matter of whether they intended it like this or not, if not, I´d expect it to be Errata´d.
If the intent was to auto-Still Spell them, I´d have expected them to have just said that directly.