I plan to play a classic oradin in my up coming game and was planning on taking the Unchained curse which at level 5 takes away any alignment I would have, I had planned on seeing with my dm if I could extend this be sort of like in skyrim when you gain the favor of the daedric gods but instead on the good side. Thoughts on how/if possible to make this work
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No you can't. You can only get mechanical benefits from the worship of one deity.
You can venerate as many as you like.
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That discussion has been had before and the answer is always the same: You can venerate multiple deities with no mechanical benefits, but you can only worship one with mechanic benefit.
You can always houserule what you want, but the official answer is that you can't. Dralianna is right.
No you can't. You can only get mechanical benefits from the worship of one deity.
You can venerate as many as you like.
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that is up to the dm to deside if the player earns the favor of a different god than the one they worship they can get mechanical benifits from it
Sure, during the course of a game, the DM could decide a deity blesses a PC for some reason, and the blessing has a mechanical benefit. There isn't established rules for that anyway.
But I think everyone else is referring to rule elements (like feats, traits, or prestige classes) that have a pre-requisite of "Worship: X deity"
Unless you are playing a divine class that specifies that you can only have one deity than there is no reason you cannot worship and gain favor from multiple deities. Neither a paladin nor an oracle is required to have a deity. The description of the oracle specifically states it draws power from multiple sources.
Although the gods work through many agents, perhaps none is more mysterious than the oracle. These divine vessels are granted power without their choice, selected by providence to wield powers that even they do not fully understand. Unlike a cleric, who draws her magic through devotion to a deity, oracles garner strength and power from many sources, namely those patron deities who support their ideals. Instead of worshiping a single source, oracles tend to venerate all of the gods that share their beliefs. While some see the powers of the oracle as a gift, others view them as a curse, changing the life of the chosen in unforeseen ways
If you look at the descriptions of some of the mysteries they have multiple deities. They even have multiple deities with conflicting alignments. When your oracle of flame is drawing power form Asmodeus and Sarenrae it that pretty much disproves the idea that you cannot gain mechanical benefit from worshiping multiple deities.
In PFS you can only derive mechanical benefit from one deity.
Anywhere else it's up the GM.
When I GM most divine caster must have a deity (except oracle, ranger, druid) and each player can only derive mechanical benefit from one deity. In character you can say you revere any number of deities, but receive no benefit for doing so.
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Unless you are playing a divine class that specifies that you can only have one deity than there is no reason you cannot worship and gain favor from multiple deities. Neither a paladin nor an oracle is required to have a deity. The description of the oracle specifically states it draws power from multiple sources.
Although the gods work through many agents, perhaps none is more mysterious than the oracle. These divine vessels are granted power without their choice, selected by providence to wield powers that even they do not fully understand. Unlike a cleric, who draws her magic through devotion to a deity, oracles garner strength and power from many sources, namely those patron deities who support their ideals. Instead of worshiping a single source, oracles tend to venerate all of the gods that share their beliefs. While some see the powers of the oracle as a gift, others view them as a curse, changing the life of the chosen in unforeseen ways
If you look at the descriptions of some of the mysteries they have multiple deities. They even have multiple deities with conflicting alignments. When your oracle of flame is drawing power form Asmodeus and Sarenrae it that pretty much disproves the idea that you cannot gain mechanical benefit from worshiping multiple deities.
The many sources statement means there's plenty of things that can power the Oracle, it doesn't mean they all power the Oracle at once.
And, anyway, getting their power from multiple sources means that they don't really worship any of them but rather a more abstract concept that can be fulfilled from different aspects of different deities.
If you worship an actual deity, not an aspect or a concept, you can gain mechanic benefits only from that deity. Nothing stops your character from venerating other gods, but you're not getting mechanic benefits from doing it.
It would be an interesting thought experiment if there was going to be a hypothetical feat that would allow one to gain mechanical benefits from more than one deity (maybe based on the charisma stat? not sure if there should be any form of alignment steps between all the chosen deities)...
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Yes you can!
No freedom of choice but...
Faiths & Philosophies PPC had Pantheons of gods and also some mechanicle benefits like feats.
PFS legal!
Dwarves and elves had something of that kind in their Pantheons too.
Like choose free domains from all elven gods or domain spells for a day for dwarf clerics.
Don't remember for PFS status...
And I think Path of the Hellknight had some similar abilities for the Godclaw order in regard to the five Godclaw deities (Iomedae, Torag, Abadar, Irori, and Asmodeus).
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Yes you can!
No freedom of choice but...Faiths & Philosophies PPC had Pantheons of gods and also some mechanicle benefits like feats.
PFS legal!
Dwarves and elves had something of that kind in their Pantheons too.
Like choose free domains from all elven gods or domain spells for a day for dwarf clerics.
Don't remember for PFS status...
You venerate Pantheons though, you don't worship them (unless there was some specific words saying otherwise that I missed).
No idea about the other stuff but I believe the Elves/Dwarves of Golarion books were 3.5, weren't they?
This is really a question to you GM how the exact setting you are playing in is working when it comes to relations between mortals and deities - is it like a Earth polytheism where it was normal to worship multiple gods? Is it like Earth henotheism/monolatry where you can accept the existence of multiple gods but adhere to one particular deity for exclusive worship?
The many sources statement means there's plenty of things that can power the Oracle, it doesn't mean they all power the Oracle at once.Unless you are playing a divine class that specifies that you can only have one deity than there is no reason you cannot worship and gain favor from multiple deities. Neither a paladin nor an oracle is required to have a deity. The description of the oracle specifically states it draws power from multiple sources.
Although the gods work through many agents, perhaps none is more mysterious than the oracle. These divine vessels are granted power without their choice, selected by providence to wield powers that even they do not fully understand. Unlike a cleric, who draws her magic through devotion to a deity, oracles garner strength and power from many sources, namely those patron deities who support their ideals. Instead of worshiping a single source, oracles tend to venerate all of the gods that share their beliefs. While some see the powers of the oracle as a gift, others view them as a curse, changing the life of the chosen in unforeseen ways
If you look at the descriptions of some of the mysteries they have multiple deities. They even have multiple deities with conflicting alignments. When your oracle of flame is drawing power form Asmodeus and Sarenrae it that pretty much disproves the idea that you cannot gain mechanical benefit from worshiping multiple deities.
Except if they're a Godclaw Mystery Oracle.
The many sources statement means there's plenty of things that can power the Oracle, it doesn't mean they all power the Oracle at once.Unless you are playing a divine class that specifies that you can only have one deity than there is no reason you cannot worship and gain favor from multiple deities. Neither a paladin nor an oracle is required to have a deity. The description of the oracle specifically states it draws power from multiple sources.
Although the gods work through many agents, perhaps none is more mysterious than the oracle. These divine vessels are granted power without their choice, selected by providence to wield powers that even they do not fully understand. Unlike a cleric, who draws her magic through devotion to a deity, oracles garner strength and power from many sources, namely those patron deities who support their ideals. Instead of worshiping a single source, oracles tend to venerate all of the gods that share their beliefs. While some see the powers of the oracle as a gift, others view them as a curse, changing the life of the chosen in unforeseen ways
If you look at the descriptions of some of the mysteries they have multiple deities. They even have multiple deities with conflicting alignments. When your oracle of flame is drawing power form Asmodeus and Sarenrae it that pretty much disproves the idea that you cannot gain mechanical benefit from worshiping multiple deities.
Oracles don't get deity specific benefits, all their powers and curses come from their Mystery.
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Except if they're a Godclaw Mystery Oracle.The many sources statement means there's plenty of things that can power the Oracle, it doesn't mean they all power the Oracle at once.Unless you are playing a divine class that specifies that you can only have one deity than there is no reason you cannot worship and gain favor from multiple deities. Neither a paladin nor an oracle is required to have a deity. The description of the oracle specifically states it draws power from multiple sources.
Although the gods work through many agents, perhaps none is more mysterious than the oracle. These divine vessels are granted power without their choice, selected by providence to wield powers that even they do not fully understand. Unlike a cleric, who draws her magic through devotion to a deity, oracles garner strength and power from many sources, namely those patron deities who support their ideals. Instead of worshiping a single source, oracles tend to venerate all of the gods that share their beliefs. While some see the powers of the oracle as a gift, others view them as a curse, changing the life of the chosen in unforeseen ways
If you look at the descriptions of some of the mysteries they have multiple deities. They even have multiple deities with conflicting alignments. When your oracle of flame is drawing power form Asmodeus and Sarenrae it that pretty much disproves the idea that you cannot gain mechanical benefit from worshiping multiple deities.
Point, they did leave that one very vague.
Fighters, inquisitors, and warpriests are common among the Order of the Godclaw, with clerics and oracles frequently serving as signifers. In the cases of classes that draw their power from a single deity, such members favor one deity of the order’s faith but pay respect to each. Inquisitors in particular o en adopt one of the inquisitions from Path nder RPG Ultimate Magic, such as imprisonment, justice, order, or tactics (see page 57 for more details about common Order of the Godclaw inquisitions). Oracles, however, are more common and revere all ve deities via the Godclaw mystery (see below). These oracles occasionally adopt the warsighted archetype (Path nder RPG Advanced Class Guide 106). Cavaliers who join the Order of the Godclaw o en follow the order of the star (Path nder RPG Advanced Player’s Guide 37) and choose to serve the Godclaw. Nearly all members of the Order of the Godclaw have ranks in Knowledge (religion), typically along with other Knowledge skills related to their favored deity (if any).
Also make sure that your GM allows the Unchained oracle curse; it's from a third-party publisher.
Looking it over, I would not allow this particular curse at my table.
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Oh jeeze yeah, that curse is a way bigger issue than whether you can gain favour from multiple deities.
At 5th level, you have no alignment. You can become a member of any class, even one with an alignment requirement, and can never lose your membership because of a change in alignment. If you violate the code of ethics of any of your classes, you might still lose access to certain features of such classes, subject to GM discretion. Attempts to detect your alignment don’t return any results. If a class restricts you from casting spells with an alignment descriptor, you can cast such spells without restrictions or repercussions. If you’re the target of a spell or effect that is based on alignment, you’re treated as the most favorable alignment when determining the spell’s effect on you. Any effects that alter alignment have no effect on you.
Paladin morality and spells with alignment descriptors are two of the most contentious issues on this forum and it looks like you're dealing with both. Whether the GM allows this concept depends heavily on how they interpret morality in their game.
How your GM responds will likely depend on what exactly you want to do with this concept. Is this about using [evil] spells? Do you want to revere evil forces, presumably in addition to good ones, Godclaw style? Or do you want to draw your general spellcasting talents from evil agents that favour your character (despite the fact that you proceeded to use these powers against their interests)?
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I am not sure where people are getting the idea that you can only gain mechanical benefit form one deity. The only class that I am aware that actually requires you to worship a deity is the inquisitor. While clerics normally worship a single deity they do have the option to worship a concept. What qualifies as a concept is not actually defined, but left up to the GM. Specific campaign settings may have rules for the setting but those are actually more along the lines of house rules. Since the original poster never mentioned a specific campaign setting we have no idea on what the setting is. There is also no reason that a pantheon of deities could not be a valid concept that could be worshiped.
If you can find any rule that is not in a game setting book stating you cannot worship more than one deity please post it. PFS sources do not meet this qualification because they are essentially formalized house rules.
don't Oracles by definition gain their powers from a number of thematically related deities?