I believe in format-shifting to a degree... if I buy a CD of an album and want to rip it to MP3 to use on a smaller player... I'm not very concerned with what my literal legal entitlement is. I bought digital music, period. But if I attend a concert and hear the music live, I bought a totally different experience, and I'm not entitled to a digital recording, I think. If I buy a book, I don't think I'm automatically entitled to an audio book version, or an e-book unless I make it myself. So hey, those Paizo books I own in paper only, I don't think I deserve in electronic format, and vice-versa. But that's me.That's a very fair analogy. I guess the difference for me is that with a traditional book I would never have a reason to buy it again in a different format. Nor would I be so heavily invested in a single line of reading books. Also, I am perfectly within my rights to copy every single word of text from my physical copies of those books and into Realm Works. That's the real rub for me. Its not like Paizo is expending any additional effort to produce the .pdf over the print books like they would have to for an audio book. Heck, they give .pdfs away for free to subscribers, which i would totally do if their prices were a little more competitive with their distributors. But when you combine the increased cost of the books and shipping you actually end up paying more than you saved by getting a free .pdf.
Thank you for replying, and more so for doing so fairly. I hear you, and I understand. I don't happen to agree, but I do see your point.
Digital product is hard. I mean, Microsoft churns out "licenses" for Windows or Office, where really, once they've paid for the software development man-hours plus the negligible bandwidth cost, every license thereafter is pure profit. So how much profit is reasonable? Should the price go down once the product is in the black? How many yachts should how many execs get from the same product that costs effectively $0 to "produce".
I get that... quandary.
As for Paizo's pricing, I hear you. I'm in Canada, so shipping is (way) higher for me than US citizens. And yeah, getting stuff from Amazon or something would be cheaper. It's rough, and sometimes choices have to be made based on budget. But remember that it's more that Amazon is willing to make a very small profit - if any - reselling Paizo's books. The wider the variety of stuff they sell, the more one-stop-shopping they are, and the more people will turn to them for things that have massive mark-up. Lost-leader, sort of. That's nothing Paizo can counteract.
Anyway, long story short, I now understand where you're coming from. I still think Paizo's being more than fair and that there's no practical solution (mostly because it's impossible to prove physical book ownership) to all this, but at least I understand your position.
Game on.
Realmworks also isn't entitled to their money, to be fair, which I believe is going to be a common response to this.LWD (Realmworks) are entitled to their money as they need to cover the cost of data entry and hosting services. This is a new distribution platform which has associated costs for its use.
No, they are entitled to the USER'S money.
This policy has a solid chance of turning away those.
Which is sorta true in the RW case as well.. except...
If you bought the hardcopy.. and then want to pay LW for the data entry.. you must first buy the pdf version on top of that.
So basically what can happen is someone with hardcopy only will not purchase RW... unless they only enter the data themselves...
...or a person that wants to use RW will stop buying the hardcopies period. Maybe start looking in bargain bins somewhere if they really want them.
I'm sure there will be some people, especially those that have subscriptions that will be able to have all of it.
Some will just have to make choices... choices that may or may not harm either company.
Also, I am perfectly within my rights to copy every single word of text from my physical copies of those books and into Realm Works. That's the real rub for me.Yep. You're also perfectly able to do the same with HeroLab.
I'm not paying for the content. I'm paying for the data entry.
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Which is sorta true in the RW case as well.. except...
If you bought the hardcopy.. and then want to pay LW for the data entry.. you must first buy the pdf version on top of that.
I think of it as paying the license fee. Which can vary depending on sales and you get the PDF as a bonus.
I don't necessarily disagree.. and I would not be able to think of a viable alternative.
I think of it as paying the license fee. Which can vary depending on sales and you get the PDF as a bonus.Which is sorta true in the RW case as well.. except...
If you bought the hardcopy.. and then want to pay LW for the data entry.. you must first buy the pdf version on top of that.
It's just unfortunate that it punishes the people who own the hard-back books.
This statement cannot be proven (except by Paizo themselves). In my opinion, this statement is false. If it were bundled as one price (so the single price includes both Paizo's cut and LWD's cut), and judging by pricing practices for related products in the industry, that price would likely be the MSRP of the print version. That would not come with a PDF, it'd just be the license fee plus LWD's cut.
Furthermore, this only applies to people who not only own just the print copy, but also value the PDF copy as completely worthless (as in, they will literally never download or use it). If the person would use the PDF, then the current policy provides much better value (assuming print MSRP otherwise) -- they are essentially getting a bundle deal (PDF + license to content on RW) for roughly the same price as the license by itself would have been. And even if the person does place no value on the PDF, by virtue of this policy, they get the license fee waived for the 2nd and beyond licensed product they get.
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I believe in format-shifting to a degree... if I buy a CD of an album and want to rip it to MP3 to use on a smaller player... I'm not very concerned with what my literal legal entitlement is. I bought digital music, period. But if I attend a concert and hear the music live, I bought a totally different experience, and I'm not entitled to a digital recording, I think. If I buy a book, I don't think I'm automatically entitled to an audio book version, or an e-book unless I make it myself. So hey, those Paizo books I own in paper only, I don't think I deserve in electronic format, and vice-versa. But that's me.That's a very fair analogy. I guess the difference for me is that with a traditional book I would never have a reason to buy it again in a different format. Nor would I be so heavily invested in a single line of reading books. Also, I am perfectly within my rights to copy every single word of text from my physical copies of those books and into Realm Works. That's the real rub for me. Its not like Paizo is expending any additional effort to produce the .pdf over the print books like they would have to for an audio book. Heck, they give .pdfs away for free to subscribers, which i would totally do if their prices were a little more competitive with their distributors. But when you combine the increased cost of the books and shipping you actually end up paying more than you saved by getting a free .pdf.
Paizo adds a free PDF as an incentive. Subscriptions help them gauge business and interest in advance, which is very helpful for a business. "They give .pdfs away free to subscribers" reflects the high value they place on subscribers rather than a low value for the PDFs. If the cost is higher for subscription than buying the book and PDF separately, it's not a very good example of why buying the book should get you the digital version cheaper.
Rasor Coast from FGG is "only" 50$ with no need to buy the PDF. And I'm certain that FGG are not giving it to LoneWolfe. It's near 600 pgs.
For a Paizo AP it's (6x18$) for the PDF and using the price of RW for dragons demand as an example (6x10$) for the RW licence. It's 168$ since I have only a physical copy of the books.
I know different compagnies, diferent context will give different price from one Publisher to another. But here from my point of view the difference is huge!
Probably an anniversary edition would be a better comparison. Do they provide those?
We'll see when/if the do one of the 2, but the pdf of those tho are 42$ each, (rasor is 40$, so comparable) I doubt the rw pack will be 10$...
After reading thinking about it, I don't find the licencing that bad and I see the advantage for those who have the PDF. It just shouldn't be the only option. A second option like they do with Frog god game should be available without the PDF, and it's ok if the price is higher, I don't ask anyone to give anything.
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I think that people will have to decide for themselves how much is too much to spend. If enough people don't buy the Paizo Realm Works files, that might exert enough pressure on the company(/ies) to consider lowering prices. Or it might not.
Full disclosure: I have been a subscriber to most of Paizo's lines at one point or another and own a lot of PDFs; however, I have no interest in Realm Works at this time so I don't really have a dog in this fight.
Keep in mind that Paizo generally runs a PDF sale at least once a year. Waiting for that could make the Realm Works packages much more affordable.
FGG have a policy of granting access to the PDF to anyone who buys the hardcover, so this is a further consequence of that generosity, I think.
Nonetheless, I think it's important to compare apples to apples as much as possible. Do you know if the FGG Splinters of Faith series is available on RW?
I wonder if the RW store will be clever enough to give you your AP subscriber discount when it applies. That would be another strategy for people looking to minimise costs (especially when an AP comes out you're going to want to run in RW down the track).
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I would just like to let you all know that we're planning to run a Paizo blog on this topic in the near future.
Until then, I'll just say that Anguish's post here demonstrates a lot of insight on his part.
I would really appreciate a response from Paizo on this. Even if it is just to say suck it up, or that they're reviewing the policy.Why? No, seriously, why? Help me understand.
You made your purchases in a physical-only format. That entitles you to zero digital content (aside from the PRD). This is not new.
Now, a 3rd-party company is offering Paizo's licensed digital content in a modified manner. That includes art and other assets which are not part of the PRD. Clearly that 3rd-party company will be expected to pay Paizo for the right to redistribute that digital content to its customers. Paizo has chosen an amount for that payment, and it is equal to the base price of Paizo's original unmodified digital content.
Not unreasonable. If the "license" was less than the PDF price, you'd see some customers not buying the PDF and only buying the modified digital content. That's a net loss for Paizo. Selecting the PDF price as the licensing price makes no net change.
So, you pay a licensing fee plus the 3rd-party's price for their work in modifying the digital content. Think of it not unlike buying a car you want in a colour the manufacturer does not offer; a paint shop will charge you the price of the car plus the price of their work. Why should the car dealership sell the car cheaper to the paint shop than to you? People would start buying cars from the paint shop and not paint the car.
Again, you chose to purchase physical-only product. You have never been entitled to digital anything. Here, Paizo is gifting you with a copy of a PDF when you buy a 3rd-party's modified product instead of simply charging them a licensing fee that gets you nothing but rights.
This - to me - sounds like one of the most fair licensing schemes I've heard of. Heck, Paizo made the effort of modifying their online store to link with these 3rd-party companies, to ensure that you get the best price you're entitled to. How awesome is that? On sale? You get the sale price. Discounts? You get the discounted price. Presumably Pathfinder Advantage would apply. I mean, wow. Paizo will effectively reduce their licensing fee by whatever price adjustments you can wrangle with them.
How do I prove I already own the digital content?
It's tied to your account. You'll link your account, and it'll check that.
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Paizo adds a free PDF as an incentive. Subscriptions help them gauge business and interest in advance, which is very helpful for a business. "They give .pdfs away free to subscribers" reflects the high value they place on subscribers rather than a low value for the PDFs. If the cost is higher for subscription than buying the book and PDF separately, it's not a very good example of why buying the book should get you the digital version cheaper.
The issue is you have people like me who came into Pathfinder circa 2014, there was already a handful of materials published before I signed up for the subscriptions. I've bought a handful of older books directly from Paizo but because I was not introduced to Pathfinder in time to get those early books I now have to purchase the book (already done) and the pdf separately for a little bit shy of double what I'm paying for my current subscriptions.
Now I've looked at my paizo account and my order history goes back to the beginning, it would be nice for those that missed out on the chance at getting the hard/pdf bundle to perhaps request the pdf and even a nominal fee to have someone research the account and go "hey you did buy it off us" because other than a bit of electricity/bandwidth and perhaps time -- would it at least helping this out for things like this.
We are still buying the product, still using the products and just want to comply with being able to use the new tools to run games in a different way (not going to say better). If we lower the bar a bit to initial use we can use the tools without a high price to entry so we can come back with feedback as to this company is great to work with... these tool are really good keep making them. The higher the bar the less feedback as a community we can give.
Now anything that was done LGS... I really can't come up with a suggestion for if they were purchased before hand.
The issue is you have people like me who came into Pathfinder circa 2014, there was already a handful of materials published before I signed up for the subscriptions. I've bought a handful of older books directly from Paizo but because I was not introduced to Pathfinder in time to get those early books I now have to purchase the book (already done) and the pdf separately for a little bit shy of double what I'm paying for my current subscriptions.
Now I've looked at my paizo account and my order history goes back to the beginning, it would be nice for those that missed out on the chance at getting the hard/pdf bundle to perhaps request the pdf and even a nominal fee to have someone research the account and go "hey you did buy it off us" because other than a bit of electricity/bandwidth and perhaps time -- would it at least helping this out for things like this.
We are still buying the product, still using the products and just want to comply with being able to use the new tools to run games in a different way (not going to say better). If we lower the bar a bit to initial use we can use the tools without a high price to entry so we can come back with feedback as to this company is great to work with... these tool are really good keep making them. The higher the bar the less feedback as a community we can give.
Now anything that was done LGS... I really can't come up with a suggestion for if they were purchased before hand.
If paizo offered a PDF discount if you purchased a hardcopy through them, they would erode any remaining goodwill they have with FLGSes. Considering that the FLGS still plays an important part in both window shopping as well as a place to run PFS, it's not really in their best interests to do this. So, while what you suggest is feasible from a technical standpoint, it could be murder from a PR one.
As I started getting into Pathfinder even later than you did, I feel your pain. My print copy collection is now about as complete as it will ever be (not bothering trying to get some of the older APs due to how much they're going for, but I started my sub with Giantslayer and I now have physical copies from Skull & Shackles onwards. I also have acquired physical copies of all the hardcovers from a combo of here (to pad out sub orders to get the $10 off shipping) as well as my FLGS. For all of those and more, I've also gotten the PDFs when it made sense to do so (such as when an extra 10% off sale was being run). Pick things up when it makes sense to do so, and don't pick things up when it doesn't.
It depends how they offered the pdf copy. Like I started my subscription around the time of Reign of winter. I have since gone back and got everything...only missing one or two old 3.5 modules. Personally I don't use pdfs except for peaking at books early. Now if they offer subscribers a deal on the pdfs of books that came out before they subscribed when they order through them I don't think there would be a huge impact on the LGS.
Now as PF AP subscribers we are all ready getting a discount on pdfs...why not as benefit to all the subscriptions a discount on the pdfs of that line if you are also getting a hardcopy. This well ease the burden on us late comers.
The impact on the LGS would be minimal...
1) If somebody all ready has a subscription they are probably are already not buying it locally.
2) I think the actual number of people who take advantage of this would be small.
Also I think the truth the LGS grows the game is becoming less true as modern life is more and more moving online. For instance most people I have started gaming with in the last 10 years are people I met through the internet...or friends of friends who want to give it a try. With vtt becoming more of a thing...I just don't see much of a role for the LGS moving into the future.
If this is tied to your Paizo account, then it should be able to verify any physical products you purchased through Paizo, right?
That would help some people who did not buy the pdf.
It's not going to verify physical products.
If this is tied to your Paizo account, then it should be able to verify any physical products you purchased through Paizo, right?
That would help some people who did not buy the pdf.
And to start bringing it back full circle, they can't put any sort of authorization code or the like in hard-copy either retroactively or current, because if they do, then individuals of malicious or selfish intent (or both) will take advantage of the methodology, causing LGS, Paizo, and the potentially victimized purchaser who does not get the authorization code to all lose.
If this is tied to your Paizo account, then it should be able to verify any physical products you purchased through Paizo, right?
That would help some people who did not buy the pdf.
The issue there is that there's no way to say that was not given to someone else. Gifting PDFs assigns them directly to the recipient's account, but physical purchases are not linked that way.. so there's no way to really validate that the one copy purchased through Paizo was not someone's fifth purchase, and a gift to someone else.
Someone elsewhere suggested taking a photo of themselves holding the book. The same problem arises there.. the photo only proves that the person held a copy of the book in hand at a point in time.. not that the person actually OWNED the book, or had possession of it before or after the occasion when the photo was taken.
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The issue there is that there's no way to say that was not given to someone else. Gifting PDFs assigns them directly to the recipient's account, but physical purchases are not linked that way.. so there's no way to really validate that the one copy purchased through Paizo was not someone's fifth purchase, and a gift to someone else.If this is tied to your Paizo account, then it should be able to verify any physical products you purchased through Paizo, right?
That would help some people who did not buy the pdf.
This doesn't stop people from gifting or reselling their subscription copy either. It would be just as easy for someone to make an arrangement with a friend to split the cost of subscription one gets the pdf (who has the account) and one gets the hard copy.
It's also why in suggesting this I would even offer paying a fee less than the current pdf price for older books if I bought them through paizo's website -- most of those were not in any LGS by the time I bought them because they were older books but before they were out of print on the site.
Most of those are modules which around here don't get much shelf life - I would glady purchase the Realms Works pack for to try it out. Will I still have some I had to pick up on Amazon and other places yes, and in that case I would gladly pay 100% the price of the pdf from paizo because I want them to make more stuff that I can buy later.
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There is always the occasional Humble Bundles. I've added a good number of PDFs to my library that way for far less than retail price.
I just want to add that if you are an AP subscriber, you do get a 15% discount on all Paizo products, including PDFs.
Personally I think the pricing is perfectly fair. I don't think it really could have been much better.
The only additional thing that they may be able to do is look to see if you have bought a hard copy and use that. Who cares if it was a gift to someone else, it was still purchased from your account.
Or they could do something at conventions, use an embosser on the copyright page of your books and credit your account with the purchase.
But these last two options are pie in the sky stuff. The PDF requirement works great for me, and its a better deal than the FG 5e stuff, because you still get a PDF out of it.
The issue there is that there's no way to say that was not given to someone else. Gifting PDFs assigns them directly to the recipient's account, but physical purchases are not linked that way.. so there's no way to really validate that the one copy purchased through Paizo was not someone's fifth purchase, and a gift to someone else.If this is tied to your Paizo account, then it should be able to verify any physical products you purchased through Paizo, right?
That would help some people who did not buy the pdf.This doesn't stop people from gifting or reselling their subscription copy either. It would be just as easy for someone to make an arrangement with a friend to split the cost of subscription one gets the pdf (who has the account) and one gets the hard copy.
It's also why in suggesting this I would even offer paying a fee less than the current pdf price for older books if I bought them through paizo's website -- most of those were not in any LGS by the time I bought them because they were older books but before they were out of print on the site.
Most of those are modules which around here don't get much shelf life - I would glady purchase the Realms Works pack for to try it out. Will I still have some I had to pick up on Amazon and other places yes, and in that case I would gladly pay 100% the price of the pdf from paizo because I want them to make more stuff that I can buy later.
Nope, you're right, it doesn't stop people from, as you mentioned, splitting the cost of a Book + PDF subscription.
The key here is that Paizo is trying to keep control of the digital versions of their content. The physical books don't need to be reined in to control piracy.. that's primarily a digital problem. So by linking digital content to your account, they know who is responsible for a given copy. If your copy shows up in a pirate source, they can talk to you about how it got there. The physical book.. you can't click on it and say "copy" as you can with a PDF.
So the focus is on digital copies. Realm Works is the first partner to really make the news on this, but it is stated to be applicable to all partners... so Fantasy Grounds and d20Pro will also be abiding by this as well. d20Pro is currently working to implement the background matching to Paizo accounts, as I understand it. Some users have expressed doubts that Steam will go along for Fantasy Grounds distribution, but that remains to be seen.
What Paizo's policy amounts to, it seems to me, is 'Digital Tool versions of our content are optional accessories that go with a PDF, and are sold bundled with a PDF. If you previously purchased the PDF, you can just pay the difference for the added features' (my words.. just paraphrasing how I understand the policy).
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Instead of charging the licensee a fee that gets tacked onto the price of every data package (to cover use of Paizo's IP), they've structured it in such a way that you get credit for already having paid for the use of the IP. If you already own the PDF, you don't have to pay for the IP twice.
Since Paizo.com is the only legit source for Paizo/Pathfinder PDFs, it's easy for them to verify that you bought a copy because they have a record of selling it to you. There are many sources for physical copies (Paizo, Amazon, FLGS, etc.) and they can't verify you own a copy. PDFs are different from physical copies because you don't have the rights to resell a PDF like you do a physical copy.
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There are many sources for physical copies (Paizo, ....) and they can't verify you own a copy.
Actually Paizo is the one place they can verify I've purchased a copy - even things I've bought at GenCon or PaizoCon show up on my account.
I'm not going to go into the same argument, the fact that some of us wouldn't mind this as an option is there for the powers that be to look into as they see fit. There are pluses and minuses on both sides.
Actually Paizo is the one place they can verify I've purchased a copy - even things I've bought at GenCon or PaizoCon show up on my account.I'm not going to go into the same argument, the fact that some of us wouldn't mind this as an option is there for the powers that be to look into as they see fit. There are pluses and minuses on both sides.
Maybe this is how they are support the local gaming store, if you now get RW credit for purchasing the print version from Paizo, it would be less of a reason to support your local gaming store.
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There are many sources for physical copies (Paizo, ....) and they can't verify you own a copy.Actually Paizo is the one place they can verify I've purchased a copy - even things I've bought at GenCon or PaizoCon show up on my account.
I'm not going to go into the same argument, the fact that some of us wouldn't mind this as an option is there for the powers that be to look into as they see fit. There are pluses and minuses on both sides.
They can verify that you purchased a copy, not that you currently own a copy, again because of the ability to resale a physical copy. It's a small, but important, distinction.
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Is realmworks (?) available yet?
Is realmworks (?) available yet?
Realm works as a useful tool has been available for a while. Purchasable content is coming soon.
*soon, as in software "soon", so...
Realm Works has been available for a while.
The Content Market opens soon.
Can't wait.
My addiction must go on.
Is realmworks (?) available yet?
Ah cheers. For some reason I'd thought it was an apple thing not a PC application so I couldn't find it.
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There are many sources for physical copies (Paizo, ....) and they can't verify you own a copy.Actually Paizo is the one place they can verify I've purchased a copy - even things I've bought at GenCon or PaizoCon show up on my account.
I'm not going to go into the same argument, the fact that some of us wouldn't mind this as an option is there for the powers that be to look into as they see fit. There are pluses and minuses on both sides.
They can verify that you purchased a copy, not that you currently own a copy, again because of the ability to resale a physical copy. It's a small, but important, distinction.
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So what?
The number of outstanding licenses would still be equal to the number of physical books sold directly by Paizo. Reselling the book would not transfer the license, so it doesn't actually cause a problem.
This is different than allowing a license for whoever owns a physical book at any given moment, where a single sale could theoretically generate infinite licenses.
There might be other reasons they wouldn't want to do it (I suspect their verification system isn't set up to work this way, for instance ) but giving a free license to anyone who purchases a new physical book directly from Paizo wouldn't really cause any economic problems.
Wouldn't removing the requirement to buy the PDFs before using the material in realm works involve some lost sales of PDFs?
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So what?There are many sources for physical copies (Paizo, ....) and they can't verify you own a copy.Actually Paizo is the one place they can verify I've purchased a copy - even things I've bought at GenCon or PaizoCon show up on my account.
I'm not going to go into the same argument, the fact that some of us wouldn't mind this as an option is there for the powers that be to look into as they see fit. There are pluses and minuses on both sides.
They can verify that you purchased a copy, not that you currently own a copy, again because of the ability to resale a physical copy. It's a small, but important, distinction.
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Paizo felt they had to draw the line somewhere. They are either unable or unwilling to verify that any given person has either a PDF or a physical book, so they've elected to not count physical copies at all.
I suspect they've drawn the line where they have because there's a very clear delineation between hard copy and PDF. Paizo is the only legit source of PDFs. If a person has a legit PDF, they had to buy it from Paizo. There are many sources of physical books. A person can buy them from any bookseller, including Paizo. If Paizo were to give credit from hard pies bought through them, as they do for PDFs, that's going to drive further purchases to Paizo and away from sellers, like FLGSs, who already resent the fact that Paizo sells books/PDFs directly. It also muddies the water on what counts and what doesn't. Buy your hard copy here, it counts; buy it there, it doesn't.
There are lots of things Paizo could do or ways they could do it, but they've chosen to do it this way. They probably looked at all their options and decided against others because it required much more work, would potentially be a hassle, or was damaging to some of their business relationships. This was probably just their best option for a number of reasons that they have a clearer understanding of than we do.
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The trees are dead. The pixels are the future.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Every company that produces books makes far more money from physical products than from digital ones atm.
This may change somewhere in the future but i seriously doubt that i will be around to witness it. ;-)
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Every company that produces books makes far more money from physical products than from digital ones atm.
I want this to be true, so I shall accept this declaration as gospel truth. :)
That's how things work nowadays, right?
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There are lots of things Paizo could do or ways they could do it, but they've chosen to do it this way. They probably looked at all their options and decided against others because it required much more work, would potentially be a hassle, or was damaging to some of their business relationships. This was probably just their best option for a number of reasons that they have a clearer understanding of than we do.
Sorry, I should be clear...I don't have any problem with Paizo's need to draw the line somewhere, or with where they have actually drawn that line. I was just trying to point out that the particular argument you were using was unpersuasive. The purchased vs owned distinction makes sense for, say, PFS purposes, but not for this one. But like you say, there are plenty of other reasons they would draw the line here.
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Every company that produces books makes far more money from physical products than from digital ones atm.I want this to be true, so I shall accept this declaration as gospel truth. :)
That's how things work nowadays, right?
there were some articles this year about how number of books sold this year went up a decent percentage, and evoke sales had fallen.. I will see if I can find it
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Every company that produces books makes far more money from physical products than from digital ones atm.I want this to be true, so I shall accept this declaration as gospel truth. :)
That's how things work nowadays, right?
there were some articles this year about how number of books sold this year went up a decent percentage, and evoke sales had fallen.. I will see if I can find it
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Cheers. I don't know if I sounded snarky or something, but I wasn't meaning to. (I also wasn't looking for evidence, just making a joke. Nonetheless, I love stuff like this, so thanks!)
Books for the home library, .pdfs only in an emergency if I need them for travel/weight considerations.
Thank goodness for the Bundle last year. This year's? Not so much.
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Books for the home library, .pdfs only in an emergency if I need them for travel/weight considerations.
Thank goodness for the Bundle last year. This year's? Not so much.
The Bundles have been a lifesaver on catching up. It's good to support a good cause, and I know its going to be a long wait for the next one, since we just finished up one.
I remember putting a lot of money into pdf's the year I flew out to Paizo con just because the normal gaming bag was not going to go! -- This has been being chipped away on an as needed basis, but even the year I did that it wasn't small chunk of change to drop all at once.
Perhaps pick a good cause, add modules to the new one, and watch our feedback flow in.
Not to go off topic but has anyone here actually tried using RW at the table during a session? It's not very good and unless I've missed a bunch of updates it was never really designed for that kind of use.
I'm sure it would.
Wouldn't removing the requirement to buy the PDFs before using the material in realm works involve some lost sales of PDFs?