Investigators and Familiars


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Silver Crusade

I'm playing an Investigator(Empiricist) in PFS, and I've got him up to third level. Two of the adventures he was on, issued Chronicle Sheets that gave the option of getting a familiar - assuming enough spellcasting levels and the Improved Familiar feat. Do investigator levels count as spellcasting levels in order to take a familiar or am I going to have to take another feat as well?

Sczarni

Does this FAQ answer your question?


Keith Smith wrote:

I'm playing an Investigator(Empiricist) in PFS, and I've got him up to third level. Two of the adventures he was on, issued Chronicle Sheets that gave the option of getting a familiar - assuming enough spellcasting levels and the Improved Familiar feat. Do investigator levels count as spellcasting levels in order to take a familiar or am I going to have to take another feat as well?

Investigator doesn't grant familiars and I don't think they can get the alchemist discovery that allows a familiar. I don't know the chronicle sheet rewards but normally they only grant familiars to classes that normally get familiar.

So most likely you would need extra feats to be able to acquire a familiar. I think Eldritch Heritage (Arcane) and Skill Focus (Knowledge: Arcana) is the easiest road.

Silver Crusade

Don't get me wrong, I love my Empiricist. But the best that I can gather, Investigators are not spellcasters. So another route to get access is necessary.


Could retrain to the archetype that had a familiar

Liberty's Edge

Starfinder Superscriber

D'oh! That made me realize that my plans for my Arcanist won't work.

My Arcanist, who is a worshipper of Pulura, got all excited when the Stargazer class came out. I was going to level her through 6, and then take at level 7 the Stargazer class and Improved Familiar to go with the Guiding Light of the class.

Alas: her effective Wizard level will just be 1, as it's only the Stargazer class level that counts. Thus, Improved Familiar isn't available when she's character level 1. Sad.

So... I will have to decide if I go with a non-improved familiar, or if I "waste" an arcanist exploit on getting the familiar as an arcanist first.


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DesolateHarmony wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I love my Empiricist. But the best that I can gather, Investigators are not spellcasters. So another route to get access is necessary.

Investigators can get a familiar via various feats:

* Charisma 13 required: Skill Focus (any knowledge) and Eldritch Heritage (Arcane bloodline)
* Iron Will and Familiar Bond. If you want everything, you can take Improved Familiar Bond.

Either of those routes should allow you to take an Improved Familiar based on the FAQ that Nefreet linked to above.

Silver Crusade

rknop wrote:

My Arcanist, who is a worshipper of Pulura, got all excited when the Stargazer class came out. I was going to level her through 6, and then take at level 7 the Stargazer class and Improved Familiar to go with the Guiding Light of the class.

Stargazer Class? What book is that in? Sounds right up the alley for my new wizard who wants to follow Desna .... to the stars ... (roll on Starfinder)


Keith Smith wrote:
rknop wrote:

My Arcanist, who is a worshipper of Pulura, got all excited when the Stargazer class came out. I was going to level her through 6, and then take at level 7 the Stargazer class and Improved Familiar to go with the Guiding Light of the class.

Stargazer Class? What book is that in? Sounds right up the alley for my new wizard who wants to follow Desna .... to the stars ... (roll on Starfinder)

Path's of Prestige though as noted above you have to worship Pulura as the prestige class prerequsite. Its actually a fairly interesting prestige class which revolves around getting bonuses themed around the Cosmic Caravan. Desna's prestige class revolves around bardic mechanics (ie. Performance, Versatile Performance). Also none of that is legal as of yet.


Stargazer is a prestige class from Paths of the Righteous. ^_^

Unfortunately, the stargazer is exclusively for worshipers of Pulura. Desna's prestige class, the sphere singer, is more bard-themed (although a wizard could take it, if so inclined, burning a few feats to get their spell levels back).

Scarab Sages

Keith Smith wrote:
rknop wrote:

My Arcanist, who is a worshipper of Pulura, got all excited when the Stargazer class came out. I was going to level her through 6, and then take at level 7 the Stargazer class and Improved Familiar to go with the Guiding Light of the class.

Stargazer Class? What book is that in? Sounds right up the alley for my new wizard who wants to follow Desna .... to the stars ... (roll on Starfinder)

Problem being that Stargazer is... to put it simply, completely broken.


Lorewalker wrote:
Keith Smith wrote:
rknop wrote:

My Arcanist, who is a worshipper of Pulura, got all excited when the Stargazer class came out. I was going to level her through 6, and then take at level 7 the Stargazer class and Improved Familiar to go with the Guiding Light of the class.

Stargazer Class? What book is that in? Sounds right up the alley for my new wizard who wants to follow Desna .... to the stars ... (roll on Starfinder)

Problem being that Stargazer is... to put it simply, completely broken.

I feel like its not really that broken.

Silver Crusade

Lorewalker wrote:


Problem being that Stargazer is... to put it simply, completely broken.

In what Way(s)?

Scarab Sages

MadScientistWorking wrote:
Lorewalker wrote:
Keith Smith wrote:
rknop wrote:

My Arcanist, who is a worshipper of Pulura, got all excited when the Stargazer class came out. I was going to level her through 6, and then take at level 7 the Stargazer class and Improved Familiar to go with the Guiding Light of the class.

Stargazer Class? What book is that in? Sounds right up the alley for my new wizard who wants to follow Desna .... to the stars ... (roll on Starfinder)

Problem being that Stargazer is... to put it simply, completely broken.
I feel like its not really that broken.

Some parts of the class not represented as I didn't feel like putting down everything especially class skills and sidereals

Requires one step from CG, worship Pulura, 5 ranks in know(geo, planes), 3 ranks survival, cast 3rd level spells(arcane, divine, psychic).

Full caster(arcane, divine, psychic), 4 + Int skills, Valuable Class Skills[ Knowledge(all) CS, Diplomacy CS, Perception CS ],

Allow me to list some of the perks the class grants in just the first 3 levels...
Familiar,
a witch hex(class levels stacks with witch levels for hexes and adds Shaman(heavens spirit) hexes to witch hex list),
Stars subdomain(class levels stacks with cleric levels for domains, if not a cleric[ add domain spells to class spell list and to spells known, spellbook, familiar or similar source, spells added this way are limited to casting once per day]),
A sidereal arcana.... Many options.... (gain this at second and every other level after) things like :

Spoiler:

[+10ft movement, 5-ft step in difficult terrain, 3x per day as swift gain the effect of freedom of movement 1/round against effects from demons]
[cold res 5, darkvision 30, see through darkness created by demons],
[+4 untyped bonus vs death effect, immune to demon created death effects/negative energy drain/negative levels],
[cast (cure spell/breath of life/healing hex) add 2x class level to hit points healed and if cleric with channel positive Class Levels stack for channel energy],
[+2 handle animal, if summon more than one animal get an additional animal],
[+2 insight bonus to initiative, not considered flat-footed before acts in combat]

5th gives the Coat of Many Stars oracle revelation(class levels and cleric levels stack with oracle for revelations gained from Stargazer)
7th gives Star Chart Stars oracle revelation
9th gives another hex
10th lets you change one sidereal permanently once per day.

...
Basically, the class stacks with many full caster abilities(channel positive energy, witch hexs, familiar, domains, two revelations), gives decent abilities, is a full caster...
Unless your build requires your bloodline or school powers... this class has something for just about everybody and then some. It is also strictly better than cleric levels.

This I call broken.

Scarab Sages

Then how about adding the fact that the Stars subdomain includes the planar binding series of spells, fly and overland flight. Granting those spells to any class that takes the PRC.


Eh, to me it just seems competent, not broken - something a lot of old PrCs don't pull off.

The Exchange

Lorewalker wrote:

Basically, the class stacks with many full caster abilities(channel positive energy, witch hexs, familiar, domains, two revelations), gives decent abilities, is a full caster...

Unless your build requires your bloodline or school powers... this class has something for just about everybody and then some. It is also strictly better than cleric levels.

This I call broken.

Have you tried building a Stargazer for Society play? I think you'll find that it isn't as powerful in practice as it looks at first pass. There are a lot of possible "stacking options" with your base class, but you aren't going to get full effect from more than one or two of them.

(I will agree that in the case of an unarchetyped cleric of Pulura with the Stars subdomain the Stargazer is probably an upgrade. The skill point requirement is significant considering the cleric's 2+Int/level rate of gaining skill points. And if you enter at character level 6 you're giving up the high level power of your other domain.)

I very much like the way the archetypes in this book are written. If you are playing one or more classes tied thematically to that deity the prestige classes don't impose significant penalties.

Scarab Sages

Kevin Willis wrote:
Lorewalker wrote:

Basically, the class stacks with many full caster abilities(channel positive energy, witch hexs, familiar, domains, two revelations), gives decent abilities, is a full caster...

Unless your build requires your bloodline or school powers... this class has something for just about everybody and then some. It is also strictly better than cleric levels.

This I call broken.

Have you tried building a Stargazer for Society play? I think you'll find that it isn't as powerful in practice as it looks at first pass. There are a lot of possible "stacking options" with your base class, but you aren't going to get full effect from more than one or two of them.

(I will agree that in the case of an unarchetyped cleric of Pulura with the Stars subdomain the Stargazer is probably an upgrade. The skill point requirement is significant considering the cleric's 2+Int/level rate of gaining skill points. And if you enter at character level 6 you're giving up the high level power of your other domain.)

I very much like the way the archetypes in this book are written. If you are playing one or more classes tied thematically to that deity the prestige classes don't impose significant penalties.

Thing is... the ability does not limit cleric levels stacking for domains to the Stars domain they just don't stack until third level. Also, his cleric levels do not need to have the Stars subdomain to stack which gives him 3 full domains(given only cleric and stargazer levels). His levels count as and stack with cleric for domains, period. Just as his levels stack with witch for determining how all his hexes function.[Notice that the hexes and domain is not limited in stacking, but the mystery stacking is explicitly limited. Which means the writer of the class knows the difference.]

Thus, he does not lose any powers of any of his domains. He can also take a sidereal arcana to stack his cleric levels for channel energy. Meaning a cleric has no class feature(other than Aura) which doesn't stack with the PrC and it gives him extra abilities beyond that and increases his skill points per level. Making the PrC strictly better than taking any additional levels of cleric.

Liberty's Edge

Starfinder Superscriber

Your channel dice don't keep going up. That's a pretty major cleric class feature.

Liberty's Edge

Starfinder Superscriber

Your channel dice don't keep going up. That's a pretty major cleric class feature.

Edit: didn't see that Sidereal Arcana.

I hope they don't ban this class. I really like it from a fluff point of view, and I did already have a Pulura-worshipping arcanist.

Scarab Sages

Going to throw this out there as another positive feature... Stargazer would allow you to take a sidereal that makes you immune to the negative aspects of a succubus' grappling.

Sczarni

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Minna Hiltula wrote:
Eh, to me it just seems competent, not broken - something a lot of old PrCs don't pull off.

Yeah that isn't the first prestige class that stacks with class levels and its actually one of the more limited ones at that.

Lorewalker wrote:
Going to throw this out there as another positive feature... Stargazer would allow you to take a sidereal that makes you immune to the negative aspects of a succubus' grappling.

Yay???? Its not like I all ready have a character that is completely immune to energy drain.

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