[PFS] Unchained Monk + Empyreal Sorcerer Multiclass


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Scarab Sages

I have a PC that has reached Level 2 on GM credit, and I will begin playing this PC soon.

I have been thinking about combining unchained monk with empyreal sorcerer; I think the two combine well. Both use wisdom, and the sorcerer's good will save bolsters the monk's weak will save. Does anyone out there have experience with a similar character?

I plan to play a half-elf to get the benefits of two favored classes. Naturally I want the Magical Knack trait. I am debating whether to end up as Monk 11/Sorc 1, or Monk 8/Sorc 4.

I had planned to play either a Tetori or a Hungry Ghost monk, but if I multiclass, I would rather have full BAB and d10 hit dice. Besides, in my last adventure, we faced a ghoul. That experience soured me on playing a Tetori; I don't relish the thought of wrestling with a ghoul.


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I have played a monk/empyreal sorcerer multiclass. Dipping sorcerer beyond 1 level limits the combination. I found that a sorcerer dip of 1 level was good for being able to cast a few supportive spells (feather fall, true strike, some utility cantrips), to use arcane wands (mage armor and shield) and to boost will saves. The sorcerer doesn't get 2nd level spells until 4th level, at which point the character loses out on BAB, and severely delays getting the monk's other class abilities.


I've considered sohei monk for Eldritch Knight. Probably too late entry. Maybe find archetypes that give you just what you want.

Scarab Sages

Pink Dragon wrote:
I have played a monk/empyreal sorcerer multiclass. Dipping sorcerer beyond 1 level limits the combination. I found that a sorcerer dip of 1 level was good for being able to cast a few supportive spells (feather fall, true strike, some utility cantrips), to use arcane wands (mage armor and shield) and to boost will saves. The sorcerer doesn't get 2nd level spells until 4th level, at which point the character loses out on BAB, and severely delays getting the monk's other class abilities.

Yeah, that's about what I was thinking. Mostly I wanted access to the Sorcerer/Wizard spell list. I was planning to take Shield and Mage Armor as first-level spells, but I could just get a wand of Shield for 2 PP. Thanks for reminding me about Feather Fall.

Actually, if I am taking only 1 level of sorcerer, I might play some other race. The second favored class is less important for a 1 level dip. I like dwarves as monks.


If you're only dipping 1 level into Sorc, I'd suggest the Human alternate class bonus which gives you one additional cantrip. It's the only alternate bonus that takes only one level investment (all the others are fractional bonuses). You can take Human or Elf alternate favored bonuses as a Half-Elf. If that isn't worth it, it might be a good idea to go Human since you take Dual Talent to trade their starting feat and Skilled racial traits for an extra +2 ability modifier. That really helps MAD classes like Monk.

Dark Archive

You want to either keep it at just one level of sorcerer or go sohei monk/sorcerer/eldritch knight. Dragon disciple is another interesting option. Boosts to natural armor and physical stats plus a breath weapon is nothing to sneeze at. With the seeker archetype for sorcerer, you get even get trapfinding. That is some good versatility.


Cory Stafford 29 wrote:
You want to either keep it at just one level of sorcerer or go sohei monk/sorcerer/eldritch knight. Dragon disciple is another interesting option. Boosts to natural armor and physical stats plus a breath weapon is nothing to sneeze at. With the seeker archetype for sorcerer, you get even get trapfinding. That is some good versatility.

Unfortunately wildblooded (empyrial) will be incompatible with DD and seeker.

Tangent question: Can you make an unchained sohei?

Dark Archive

How is wildblooded incompatible with DD? All you have to be able to do is cast arcane spells spontaneously.


Cory Stafford 29 wrote:
How is wildblooded incompatible with DD? All you have to be able to do is cast arcane spells spontaneously.

A bit more I'm afraid.

Dragon Disciple prereqs wrote:
Spellcasting: Ability to cast 1st-level arcane spells without preparation. If the character has sorcerer levels, he must have the draconic bloodline. If the character gains levels of sorcerer after taking this class, he must take the draconic bloodline.

Dark Archive

Oh yeah, I forgot about that part.


Cory Stafford 29 wrote:
How is wildblooded incompatible with DD? All you have to be able to do is cast arcane spells spontaneously.

Spellcasting: Ability to cast 1st-level arcane spells without reparation. If the character has sorcerer levels, he must have the draconic bloodline.


A Scaled Fist Monk works perfectly well with a baseline Sorcerer too.

Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:


Tangent question: Can you make an unchained sohei?

Nope.


I have a suggestion. If you're doing this mostly for personal wand use of shield and mage armor I highly suggest going a level of bloodrager instead of sorcerer.
Your HP and BAB don't fall, you do miss out on the good save, but if you go for a bloodline familiar you can get a hedgehog for +2 will save.
You still can use wands of lots of good spells. AND you have a rage pool to help for fights if you want, and just a feat for extra rage and you have plenty of rage for all your fights.

Scarab Sages

Bah. The whole monk idea just went out the window anyway. Nobody in the party has any appreciable knowledge skills. I am going to fill that gap by playing a bard.


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you can go perfect scholar monk of Irori.
Perfect scholar gets bardic knowledge at lv4 and all knowledge as class skills, and irori's divine worship feat gives +4 sacred to all knowledge and you can take at lv3.

Scarab Sages

Chess Pwn wrote:

you can go perfect scholar monk of Irori.

Perfect scholar gets bardic knowledge at lv4 and all knowledge as class skills, and irori's divine worship feat gives +4 sacred to all knowledge and you can take at lv3.

Is Perfect Scholar an archetype? I don't see it on d20pfsrd.


yeah, archetype from inner sea intrigue, works with unchained

d20pfsrd is behind.


Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

For whatever reason, it isn't on d20pfsrd. It's in Inner Sea Intrigue. Basically, you make some small trades to get all knowledges as class skills, a bonus on knowledge checks equal to half your monk level, and a scaling bonus to the next stack roll after a miss (on the same enemy, can't affect the same target more than once per day).

Overall, it's really solid.

Scarab Sages

It's PFS and I don't have that one. Besides, I've been looking for an excuse to play a bard. I'll play a monk some other time.


It's there now

Sometimes you have to go to .../class/archetypes/paizo-class-archetypes/ to get the full list.

Liberty's Edge

Khouri P. wrote:

It's there now

Sometimes you have to go to .../class/archetypes/paizo-class-archetypes/ to get the full list.

Are you aware that this thread is nearly 5 years old? I suspect they are not still working on the same character.


Though it does kind of make me wanan try this, with the crosblood dragon/ephimeral into DD. (home game allows those to work just fine with crossblood and wyldbloods).

Could bea fun structure for replicating Ryu from breath of fire

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