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I'm not interested in more player options. The system and the expansions create a lot of variation as it is, but I will support a compilation of the expansion purely because one solid book to bring to the table is handy.
I'm more interested in new traditions and world building options. You can piecemeal a tradition to make technology and extracts so I'd like to see more complex traditions that reflect what you can construct with the system.
Also NPCs. I don't like building them all the time and it's the biggest obstacle in completely replacing spells with spherecasting.
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I'm not interested in more player options. The system and the expansions create a lot of variation as it is, but I will support a compilation of the expansion purely because one solid book to bring to the table is handy.
I'm more interested in new traditions and world building options. You can piecemeal a tradition to make technology and extracts so I'd like to see more complex traditions that reflect what you can construct with the system.
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Agreed for the most part. The way some of the Worlds of Power used the system to create flavorful classes was really nice. More stuff like that - seeing the system in use as a GM tool in addition to player tool would be great.
Doing the basic archetypes for spellcasting classes Paizo has released that haven't been covered and Mythic would be about all I want player centric.. besides the handbooks that are already being done.
A bestiary is in the works, yes. woth luck, it might be ready by the end of this month.
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Another thing I would love to see - whether it was a published book, a thread, or a wiki....
I love the spellcrafting rules. It would be cool if we had a repository that would allow fans to build spells and add them. Using the system if fairly straightforward so spells that have bad math could be caught easily. I think it would be a great resource. I have no idea how to get something like that going however.
Then Drop Dead could take the best and put out a "community spellbook" or something.
Another thing I would love to see - whether it was a published book, a thread, or a wiki....
I love the spellcrafting rules. It would be cool if we had a repository that would allow fans to build spells and add them. Using the system if fairly straightforward so spells that have bad math could be caught easily. I think it would be a great resource. I have no idea how to get something like that going however.
Then Drop Dead could take the best and put out a "community spellbook" or something.
One thing I'm curious about (and maybe it's already out there) is conversions for Pathfinder spells. Maybe a book that points out direct conversions or uses the Spellcrafting system to create those spells. Potentially combined with the idea Lord Mhoram suggested.
I would rather just leave the Pathfinder spells alone honestly.
What I would love to see is general guidelines on how a GM should go about converting monster abilities to Spheres of Power. While specific converted monsters are useful to use to quickly throw into a game, I would personally value a set of guidelines much more.
Of course, if this sort of thing is going to be in the Spheres Bestiary, then I'll buy that without a second thought.
One thing I'm curious about (and maybe it's already out there) is conversions for Pathfinder spells. Maybe a book that points out direct conversions or uses the Spellcrafting system to create those spells. Potentially combined with the idea Lord Mhoram suggested.This is basically what the Ritual system is for. XD Spheres and Vancian aren't quite compatible enough to make most direct conversions a good idea, but Rituals allow you to duplicate those weird, usually situational powers that the Spheres don't directly cover.
And I'm not gonna lie, as a GM, I usually just leave the monsters as they are - other than saying that any of their Spells or Spell-Like Abilities are now just "unique magical powers", anyway. It generally doesn't make much of a difference, and it saves a ton of prep time, so... XD
Yeah, honestly that's probably the smart thing. The big thing I was thinking of was monster SLA's, but in the end it probably doesn't make sense to do a major overhaul for most monsters and waste loads of prep time on it.
Converted prestige classes or base classes that deal with the same schtick.
SoP-based prestige classes other than Bokor.
Favored class options, traits, and other options for generally out-of-the-way races, like dhampir, ratfolk, suli, etc.
I'd like to see Conjuration have an at-will ability or an always-on ability.
In the SoP Bestiary, a short NPC codex might also be helpful. Certainly not many are needed (a dozen or so beyond the SoP iconics) just to quickly round out an encounter or give a town some simple inhabitants.
Are the iconics for each class even statted up anywhere? I'd like to see that.
Are the iconics for each class even statted up anywhere? I'd like to see that.
Yes, they are in the core SoP book, starting on page 208.
I would like to see the Life and Death Spheres updated / improved like the six others.
So far all I know about is:
Destruction
Divination
Nature
Light
Alteration
Telekinesis
I would also like an NPC Soul Weaver stat'ed out that was not a Dhampir.
-- david
Hmmm... I have an early copy of the "Shapeshifter" pdf which I thought was Alteration, but not the "official" release yet.
Any who, I understand that they can not be released all at once. Just stating my preference for the two that I want most so maybe they will move higher on the to do list.
-- david
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Drop Dead Studios asked people in there "What do you want?" thread not to ask for more SoP stuff there (presumably because they've already got enough of that to think about). But I know there's got to be stuff people want to ask for, so I'm making this thread mostly as a way to get it out of our systems. DDS can ignore this thread until they want new ideas.
For me I'd like archetypes for Dreamscarred psionic classes to SoP. The same reason I like SoP over the core magic system is the same reason I'm not interested in DSP psionics: I don't like having long lists of powers. However a part of me wants the psionic classes for whatever irrational reason so I'd love a conversion.
I also think it would be cool to have some non-caster classes coverted into minor SoP casters. Specifically the Barbarian, Brawler, and Ninja and/or Slayer. The latter because of the various anime magic ninjas (it's possible there's something in the books that already manages that and I just can't remember it). The Barbarian especially: I remember hearing about the sorts of powers 4e Barbarians got being part of the Primal power source and think a magic fighter Barbarian would be cool.
So what do other people have that they want to just get out and leave for DDS to possibly get to at their leisure?
I'm curious, what is it about the psionic classes you would want to see? Psionics could be built as a tradition, and several existing SoP classes mirror the psionic classes.
Drop Dead Studios asked people in there "What do you want?" thread not to ask for more SoP stuff there (presumably because they've already got enough of that to think about). But I know there's got to be stuff people want to ask for, so I'm making this thread mostly as a way to get it out of our systems. DDS can ignore this thread until they want new ideas.
For me I'd like archetypes for Dreamscarred psionic classes to SoP. The same reason I like SoP over the core magic system is the same reason I'm not interested in DSP psionics: I don't like having long lists of powers. However a part of me wants the psionic classes for whatever irrational reason so I'd love a conversion.
I also think it would be cool to have some non-caster classes coverted into minor SoP casters. Specifically the Barbarian, Brawler, and Ninja and/or Slayer. The latter because of the various anime magic ninjas (it's possible there's something in the books that already manages that and I just can't remember it). The Barbarian especially: I remember hearing about the sorts of powers 4e Barbarians got being part of the Primal power source and think a magic fighter Barbarian would be cool.
So what do other people have that they want to just get out and leave for DDS to possibly get to at their leisure?
I'm curious, what is it about the psionic classes you would want to see? Psionics could be built as a tradition, and several existing SoP classes mirror the psionic classes.
a tradition? I guess you could do something with crystals?
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a tradition? I guess you could do something with crystals?Drop Dead Studios asked people in there "What do you want?" thread not to ask for more SoP stuff there (presumably because they've already got enough of that to think about). But I know there's got to be stuff people want to ask for, so I'm making this thread mostly as a way to get it out of our systems. DDS can ignore this thread until they want new ideas.
For me I'd like archetypes for Dreamscarred psionic classes to SoP. The same reason I like SoP over the core magic system is the same reason I'm not interested in DSP psionics: I don't like having long lists of powers. However a part of me wants the psionic classes for whatever irrational reason so I'd love a conversion.
I also think it would be cool to have some non-caster classes coverted into minor SoP casters. Specifically the Barbarian, Brawler, and Ninja and/or Slayer. The latter because of the various anime magic ninjas (it's possible there's something in the books that already manages that and I just can't remember it). The Barbarian especially: I remember hearing about the sorts of powers 4e Barbarians got being part of the Primal power source and think a magic fighter Barbarian would be cool.
So what do other people have that they want to just get out and leave for DDS to possibly get to at their leisure?
I'm curious, what is it about the psionic classes you would want to see? Psionics could be built as a tradition, and several existing SoP classes mirror the psionic classes.
Precisely. Focus casting is meant for exactly this thing, and the upcoming Mind book will (probably) have similar things. As for the classes - well, the thaumaturge is a lot like the wilder, and the armorist is a lot like the soulknife, and the mageknight could probably do the psychic warrior, and so forth. What specifically would people want to see converted?
Since no one seems to have asked yet:
a conversion of SoP to D&D 5e.
I'd have to agree. Spells in 5e are even more limiting than Pathfinder's core rulebook. Spheres would go a long way in upping flexibility between casters in the same class.
Since no one seems to have asked yet:
a conversion of SoP to D&D 5e.
Personally I'd love to see any effort/work you do is for Pathfinder product, myself.
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5e spells don't need anywhere near the level of fixing that PF spellcasting did. What it really needs are more spells (and more spells that don't require concentration) and maybe a some more/better cantrips. But a complete rewrite isn't called for. A 'build your own spell' system might be good, with some options to create at-will and per encounter spells.
I'd like to see ways to build a healer who doesn't have to use all of his picks just to be able to deal with all the usual stuff. As is, the healing this system provides is not working except for NPCs.
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I'd like to see ways to build a healer who doesn't have to use all of his picks just to be able to deal with all the usual stuff. As is, the healing this system provides is not working except for NPCs.
Agreed. It's a pain being a healer and having to spend feats to fix conditions that don't come up very often. I was playing a healer in a recent game and the magus got blinded, and I couldn't do anything about it.
what I want is a martial spin-off version
(which I'd love to help write '3')
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So I've been looking through the SoP wiki, with the interest of having a player be a healing focused caster in the coming months. I've already ordered a physical copy of the book, and it seems really in line with my complaints regarding PF casters in general.
SoP seeks to cover most of the roles of spells in PF, though not all of them, of course. One that I haven't been able to find an equivalency to is Stone to Flesh.
The break enchantment ability specifically cannot affect instantaneous effects.
Have I missed something, or does this need to be addressed somewhere?
1. Darkness and Death Handbooks to come out quicker! Illusion could do with more depth as well. Illusion is very...bare and I'm sure prone to immense table variance.
2. The Hedgewitch is awesome, full of fiddly bits from other classes, but at the same time it's /boring/ because it's just random fiddly bits.
I don't know. I want something from it, but I'm just not sure what. The way the classes are grouped into the traditions just feels weird.
3. A big ol book of Sphere Combination examples would be pretty awesome. "You want pathfinder X spell? Here's how to do it!
What I do not want is a new sphere. Any idea you want I'm sure could be incorporated into another sphere.
A new sphere would likely just cannibalize ideas.
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I would also like to see a life sphere handbook, mostly just out of curiosity if they can make new talents that make one of the boring but practical elements of the game, the healer and his/her kit of magical band-aids, more exciting for someone to pick up. The other handbooks have been great for expanding how a sphere can be used, so I'd be interested to see the results.
The Life sphere book is going to be a mixed bag, since most of the basic stuff dealing with Life has been covered pretty thoroughly in the main book. There will be more invigorate-related talents, some talents for integrating the Heal skill into the Life sphere, talents relating to racial abilities, some 'adrenaline surge' related abilities, and some more positive energy manipulation abilities (for those who like to play undead-hunters). Archetypes (currently) include: a ranger that heals using the heal skill, a druid spirit healer with the soul weaver's bound nexus ability, an alchemist that makes drugs instead of bombs, an inquisitor undead-hunter, a brawler that is totally not a Wolverine rip-off, and a soul weaver that can turn healing abilities into mutating attacks.
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The Life sphere book is going to be a mixed bag, since most of the basic stuff dealing with Life has been covered pretty thoroughly in the main book.And even then some people aren't happy with how many talents it takes to heal everything. So having even more talents would probably make them vocal.
It's healing: it doesn't do much.
If you're talking restore, there is actually an easy solution for it: scribe scroll. You can scribe a scroll that restores a condition you don't have the talent to fix, and since caster level has no impact (except for poison) it's always going to cost 25gp. The Life book will also introduce a 'emergency restore' talent that can restore any condition inflicted in the previous round. Cure is already pretty much covered - out of combat curing is amazing as is, and there are ways to get good in combat cures. Invigorate is something that will get boosted a bit, since it was sort of an after thought in the core book.
I would REALLY like to see some more love for the Time Sphere. Time just looks so incredibly barren. Weather too, for that matter.
Possible new spheres:
Null Magic
I made one of these for my home game. It included various extra tricks on top of a base 'dispel' ability. Spell resistance, the ability to heal when resisting hostile spells, attacks that drain spell points, destroying spells explosively and making casting more difficult for your enemies (or more unpredictable).
I made sure it wasn't a 'no fun allowed' list. Rather, it's to expand on the ordinary counterspell feat and make it a lot more varied and interesting.
Technomancy
More of a niche thing, dealing with high-tech settings. Interface with machines, project your consciousness through the internet, recharge technological equipment, etc.