2016 US Election


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BigNorseWolf wrote:

Democrats: lets fund this healthcare thing out of the general fund.

Republicans: no, lets fund people that don't have health insurance by making people who do have it pay more

Democrats: well if thats the best deal we can get then it's the bes

Republicans: YOUR RATES ARE GOING UP! YOU"RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY MORE! GET THEM! STOP THEM!

And either way I'm screwed since I couldn't afford it at old prices and now get taxed for not being able to afford it.


Talonhawke wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

Democrats: lets fund this healthcare thing out of the general fund.

Republicans: no, lets fund people that don't have health insurance by making people who do have it pay more

Democrats: well if thats the best deal we can get then it's the bes

Republicans: YOUR RATES ARE GOING UP! YOU"RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY MORE! GET THEM! STOP THEM!

And either way I'm screwed since I couldn't afford it at old prices and now get taxed for not being able to afford it.

because Republicans pushed the Supreme Court to say they don't have to give it to you for free, most likely.

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Snorter wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
It's not the candidates that are intolerable to either side. It's actually reached the point that both sides are intolerable to others. The ruralists have had more than enough of condescension from the "liberal elite". While the urbanists have had their fill of being called degenerates from the breadbasket. We have a serious cultural divide that goes beyond candidates.

Maybe it's time to accept the divide is irrevocable, and separate the country?

The 'metropolitan elites' could take the East Coast and West Coast, mostly urban territory, as a pair of 'mega cities'.
And the area in between could be left to the flat earthers, young earth creationists, Armageddon-watchers and Rapture-seekers, as effectively beyond recovery.
Some kind of 'Cursed Earth'?

Old Man Logan would save them though.


It's as much hyperbole as the doomsday cries about Obama the last 2 cycles and Bush the 2 before that.


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Well, how about a history lesson? The Smoot-Hawley act was passed to protect american jobs by adding tariffs to imports. It got many producton jobs back.

However, the countries that exported to the US answered by doing the same thing. This murdered the american export sector, which cost far more jobs.

And now, this is the best that Trump can suggest? Yeah, there will be doom and gloom.


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*Sips tea*

Well, let me think...

WWIII? Trump has shown that he basically can't restrain himself when someone provokes him. We've seen this on Twitter and in the debates. In that regard, he's fundamentally petty, and I don't think that's going to help us avoid wars.

Racism and bigotry? He insulted basically everyone that wasn't a wealthy, straight white male during his campaign, and still got elected. His campaign was pretty much "Fear of the Other".

The Electoral College? I don't know that I'd call it broken, but some people wonder if it wouldn't be better to just switch to a direct popular vote. In theory, it exists as a stop-gap measure to prevent a vastly unqualified person from leading the country. If it doesn't do that - since Trump is not qualified by any reasonable definition - it may very well be pointless.

I don't think mocking people for expressing concern over what he's likely to do is the right course of action - particularly on this board, which seeks to include people instead of excluding them.


BigNorseWolf wrote:
he lost the popular vote. Why is no one pointing this out?

Because the popular vote doesn't matter. It's there to make you feel like you made a difference.

The election was decided behind closed doors with plenty of bribes and promises of favors being tossed around. Trump apparently offered more than Clinton did.


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KaiserBruno wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
he lost the popular vote. Why is no one pointing this out?

Because the popular vote doesn't matter. It's there to make you feel like you made a difference.

The election was decided behind closed doors with plenty of bribes and promises of favors being tossed around. Trump apparently offered more than Clinton did.

No. No No No No No.

This is the sort of thinking that made Hillary Clinton a candidate that you didn't want to see elected. And it was this same thought process that allowed Trump to mobilize his voters. "The Establishment in their ivory towers choose who they want, ignoring you."

Don't sit here and say that it was all a scam and conspiracy. There are heavy problems with BOTH parties. Throwing it to "The elites picked their candidate and that's it" undermines everything wrong and gives no growth.

The Democrats want to succeed next time? Make some changes. And if there actually were Republicans who were against Trump? Take the fact that he won as a clue on what the people want.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
he lost the popular vote. Why is no one pointing this out?

I did, earlier today.

Trump currently has 47% of the popular vote, Hillary has 48, and so 53% of voters were against Trump.


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Guy Humual wrote:


Trump currently has 47% of the popular vote, Hillary has 48, and so 53% of voters were against Trump.

I meant people that matter :)

This should be a big freaking deal. Twice now democracy has been subverted to put an unqualified idiot in the white house. People DIE when you do that.


Brilliant result.... I really didnt think it would happen.

But this is what happens when you get a looooooooong line of politicians who talk the big talk but then fail spectacularly to do anything except set themselves up nicely for a lucrative post politics life.

Now I'm not saying that Trump will be a success, but he has made some big promises and pledges and so the people WILL BE WATCHING CLOSELY!


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doc roc wrote:

Now I'm not saying that Trump will be a success, but he has made some big promises and pledges and so the people WILL BE WATCHING CLOSELY!

No. They won't. Because they don't, and they haven't. My frustration with the campaign is that it's a matter of reality vs a very angry fantasy and watching does absolutely no good if your brain refuses to process information contradictory to your beliefs.

They're just going to believe him the next time he angrily blames the obstructionist democrats or illegal martians or activist judges shooting down his stop and frisk.


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Talonhawke wrote:
It's as much hyperbole as the doomsday cries about Obama the last 2 cycles and Bush the 2 before that.

No. There is a difference.

Republicans were complaining about things Obama never said.
Democrats are complaining about things Trump has promised.

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Stephen Colbert Tries To Make Sense Of All This

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Removed some baiting and less-than-civil comments and their responses. Folks, the paizo.com forums aim to be a space where gamers can come together in a fun and friendly environment. We've asked on more than one occasion in this very thread to decouple the frustration at the current state of affairs with vitriol aimed at specific posters in the conversation. At 142 pages and over 7,000 posts, we understand that people are passionate and invested in discussing this election and it outcome, but it's likely the time to let this particular thread come to a close, and break out topics into new/separate threads of conversations.

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