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Silver Crusade

Nutcase Entertainment wrote:
Scythia wrote:
My only pyrrhic comfort is that people who believed that the candidates were the same or equally bad will have the chance to learn how wrong they were.
Trump wasn't really pretending to be good anyway...

Yeah, this isn't Hanlon's Razor.

Hate won.

Silver Crusade

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I woke up this morning expecting to celebrate a Clinton victory.

At first, I thought Google was punking me.

We lost something as a country yesterday, and I don't think I'll live to see us get it back.

I'm scared. Not for me, but for all of those who are going to suffer at a time when they can least afford it.


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Civil liberties just took a step backwards. MLK is rolling over in his grave as are a bunch of other people.

Silver Crusade

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Sharoth wrote:
Civil liberties just took a step backwards. MLK is rolling over in his grave as are a bunch of other people.

And there not going to want for company either...

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Wow ...

I've never been more disgusted, digected, depressed, or embarrassed for America than I am today. The people of this country just elected a woefully unqualified, racist, sexist, crass, bigot to lead and represent this nation.

I'm honestly stunned ...


8^(

Sovereign Court

Irontruth wrote:
Cause people never refinance their home to pay of other debts.

Sure - but that's irrelevant. You can't generally get a refinance without 20% equity - I'm talking about those with 3.5% initial equity and then negative equity when the market goes down.


Charon's Little Helper wrote:
Irontruth wrote:
Cause people never refinance their home to pay of other debts.
Sure - but that's irrelevant. You can't generally get a refinance without 20% equity - I'm talking about those with 3.5% initial equity and then negative equity when the market goes down.

Yes, cause those were strictly adhered to "rules" of lending during the mortgage boom.

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OsirionInfiltrator wrote:
And at least 57 million Americans love this.

I doubt that. There are at least 57 million Americans who find it at least slightly less unappealing than the idea of president elect Clinton.


Maybe we will be lucky and the growing public debt will stop him in his tracks soon enough. Maybe Europe will learn to rely less on the US, instead gain more self-confidence and unity. Maybe it's just an upcoming dark age with Putin, Le Pen, Erdogan, Trump and more to come, after a few decades of progress...

Sovereign Court

Irontruth wrote:
Charon's Little Helper wrote:
Irontruth wrote:
Cause people never refinance their home to pay of other debts.
Sure - but that's irrelevant. You can't generally get a refinance without 20% equity - I'm talking about those with 3.5% initial equity and then negative equity when the market goes down.
Yes, cause those were strictly adhered to "rules" of lending during the mortgage boom.

Of all the homes I did the paperwork to foreclose on - I didn't see one. *shrug* Sure - I'm sure that there were shady exceptions. 2nd mortgage foreclosures were very rare in general - maybe one % of the total or so of what I saw.

Scarab Sages

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Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
I fervently hope this and the accompanying financial crisis will be enough to start the System's reset and that this time we will not need a World War with millions of deaths

You don't get a "System's reset" without the deaths of innocents. History repeatedly documents that's not how it works.

We'll be lucky to avoid a World War, and it'll be a miracle to avoid new local wars. But the misery and deaths are still coming...

  • People that will lose their access to healthcare through Obamacare & Medicaid
  • People squeezed out by cuts to Medicare and Social Security, WIC, and other assistance
  • People who won't be helped after the next disaster by a now gutted FEMA
  • People who contract the next ebola, zika, or AIDs under a gutted CDC
  • People who will lose their already meager civil rights and hard-won basic equality, and will be openly threatened/harassed/attacked/forcibly converted/murdered simply for being non-CIS or non-straight
  • People who don't pass as white or Christian openly threatened/harassed/attacked/murdered
  • People losing their meager investments/pensions/IRAs simply because international confidence in the U.S. economy has evaporated
  • People working for less hours, less pay and fighting over decreasing job prospects because international confidence in the U.S. economy has evaporated

And none of that includes the possible EU collapse, more conflicts and wars, more fighting over resources, and ignoring the growing effects of global climate change.

Don't hope for an accelerationist collapse and possible revolution without owning all the people that are going to be ground up in the gears and under the tank treads. You don't get clean hands or a clear conscience.

I can already hear Tina Turner singing Thunder Dome. /sarcasm

Just stop. There isn't going to be another World War or another Civil War. I don't think you have to worry about blue fighting grey again in your neighborhood. The world will keep turning, another person will be elected in four years, and the opposing side will cry and scream that the world is ending. So sick of chicken littles.

Scarab Sages

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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
It's not the candidates that are intolerable to either side. It's actually reached the point that both sides are intolerable to others. The ruralists have had more than enough of condescension from the "liberal elite". While the urbanists have had their fill of being called degenerates from the breadbasket. We have a serious cultural divide that goes beyond candidates.

Maybe it's time to accept the divide is irrevocable, and separate the country?

The 'metropolitan elites' could take the East Coast and West Coast, mostly urban territory, as a pair of 'mega cities'.
And the area in between could be left to the flat earthers, young earth creationists, Armageddon-watchers and Rapture-seekers, as effectively beyond recovery.
Some kind of 'Cursed Earth'?


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As I said last night, and still believe, Trump is not the true reason I'm concerned.

I'm concerned that this is going to be the sort of candidate we see from the Republican party, and yes, potentially even the Democratic party, from this moment forward. A Trump victory has proven that this sort of candidate wins. Why fix what ain't broke, right?


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OsirionInfiltrator wrote:

I can already here Tina Turner singing Thunder Dome. /sarcasm

Just stop. There isn't going to be another World War or another Civil War. I don't think you have to worry about blue fighting grey again in your neighborhood. The world will keep turning, another person will be elected in four years, and the opposing side will cry and scream that the world is ending. So sick of chicken littles.

I don't have to imagine these things. I've heard Trump happily spout his hate and lies. I've read about Pence's actions as governor of his state. I'm familiar with everything the Republican controlled Congress as state governments have attempted and managed to get away with. As a barely-employed lesbian woman squeaking by in poverty, I think I have pretty good reasons to be fearful. I'm sorry I can't convey my valid concerns into language that will make you understand just how badly this will be for so many.


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Snorter wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
It's not the candidates that are intolerable to either side. It's actually reached the point that both sides are intolerable to others. The ruralists have had more than enough of condescension from the "liberal elite". While the urbanists have had their fill of being called degenerates from the breadbasket. We have a serious cultural divide that goes beyond candidates.

Maybe it's time to accept the divide is irrevocable, and separate the country?

The 'metropolitan elites' could take the East Coast and West Coast, mostly urban territory, as a pair of 'mega cities'.
And the area in between could be left to the flat earthers, young earth creationists, Armageddon-watchers and Rapture-seekers, as effectively beyond recovery.
Some kind of 'Cursed Earth'?

Don't forget the largely cosmopolitan cities of Texas could band together to join this proposed mega city program.


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I saw this coming. American is a nation that would never vote for a woman. Hillary would have had to have been a man to win.


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I blame media consolidation, Citizens United, an ineffectual press, and low-information white women who prefer an accused child rapist to one of their own.

His pretrial begins Dec. 16.


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What can I say but f!+% me sideways
And you guys thought the our leaving Europe was a dumb thing to do ! well you just topped that
Seriously though good luck every one where in for a bumpy ride


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You know what will be the most dramatic irony of all?

If Hillary does hold on to win the Popular vote (I have yet to look at numbers this morning), than by Donald Trump's own logic, she should be most likely be President. The man was up in arms in 2012 about Obama not winning the Popular Vote but becoming President. But will he admit it if it stands? Of course not. He'll say that the American People have decided he's the one that needs to Make America Great Again.

As of 97% Reporting from what I can find, Hillary Clinton has a 130k lead in the popular vote. Close as hell, and could certainly change, but as it stands...yeah, like I said. If this was how it was and Hillary had won, I have a hard time believing Trump wouldn't have been on any major news station talking about how the voice of the American People was being brought down and that they should contest the election. I hope that this is not lost on him, or anyone eles.


A highly regarded expert wrote:

I blame media consolidation, Citizens United, an ineffectual press, and low-information white women who prefer an accused child rapist to one of their own.

His pretrial begins Dec. 16.

The anonymous woman pulled her court case last Friday, there will be no trial.


FantheFlames wrote:

You know what will be the most dramatic irony of all?

If Hillary does hold on to win the Popular vote (I have yet to look at numbers this morning), than by Donald Trump's own logic, she should be most likely be President. The man was up in arms in 2012 about Obama not winning the Popular Vote but becoming President. But will he admit it if it stands? Of course not. He'll say that the American People have decided he's the one that needs to Make America Great Again.

Obama won the popular vote in 2012 51-47.


As of right now, WaPo says Clinton has 59.13 million/47.6% of the popular vote vs Trump at 58.99 million/ 47.5% of the popular vote. Looks like they're still counting in some states (and likely California as well). It won't change the electoral college math though.

Dark Archive

Well lets see how the world starts to shape up at the end of 2016, with Brexit and Trump, so many stupid decisions will go down, lets see what no.3 will be...


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OsirionInfiltrator wrote:
Aranna wrote:

I saw this coming. American is a nation that would never vote for a woman. Hillary would have had to have been a man to win.

You're right. 53+ million people didn't vote for a woman. That was all a mirage. How about enough people were so pissed she is a thief and liar, and that she stole the rightful nomination of Sanders, and that is what led to America not voting for *this* woman.

Sanders would have won.

That could just as easily have been 53+ million people who were just that disgusted by Trump.


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Irontruth wrote:
FantheFlames wrote:

You know what will be the most dramatic irony of all?

If Hillary does hold on to win the Popular vote (I have yet to look at numbers this morning), than by Donald Trump's own logic, she should be most likely be President. The man was up in arms in 2012 about Obama not winning the Popular Vote but becoming President. But will he admit it if it stands? Of course not. He'll say that the American People have decided he's the one that needs to Make America Great Again.

Obama won the popular vote in 2012 51-47.

Didn't stop him from getting on Twitter after the election was called and saying this.

G!+ d~@n, the irony just keeps getting better and better reading some of the stuff he said.


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Aranna wrote:

I saw this coming. American is a nation that would never vote for a woman. Hillary would have had to have been a man to win.

That's BS. The Democrats chose to nominate one of the few candidates that could have lost to Trump, and they had to cheat to ensure she got that nomination. And then they bought into the hype generated by the media that have been in their back pocket, and thought she was invincible. And yet they still decided to cheat, blatantly enough that even that same media had to admit to to leaking debate questions to her.

Donald Trump didn't beat Hilary. Democrats defeated her, largely by turning the media into their own personal propaganda machine. They just forgot to stay anchored enough in reality.

Scarab Sages

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Aranna wrote:
OsirionInfiltrator wrote:
Aranna wrote:

I saw this coming. American is a nation that would never vote for a woman. Hillary would have had to have been a man to win.

You're right. 53+ million people didn't vote for a woman. That was all a mirage. How about enough people were so pissed she is a thief and liar, and that she stole the rightful nomination of Sanders, and that is what led to America not voting for *this* woman.

Sanders would have won.

That could just as easily have been 53+ million people who were just that disgusted by Trump.

You bet that Sanders would have won. Clinton and the DNC dug their own graves by sinking his ship and stealing the nomination. She can now live with the consequences of her actions.


On the plus side, isolationism is less likely to lead to massive, multi-country war. The downside is that some old alliances have been keeping several conflicts in check, so once they go away, they may reignite (Korean peninsula for example).


ulgulanoth wrote:
Well lets see how the world starts to shape up at the end of 2016, with Brexit and Trump, so many stupid decisions will go down, lets see what no.3 will be...

Things often do come in threes... But we can break that trend... right?


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Norman Osborne wrote:
Aranna wrote:

I saw this coming. American is a nation that would never vote for a woman. Hillary would have had to have been a man to win.

That's BS. The Democrats chose to nominate one of the few candidates that could have lost to Trump, and they had to cheat to ensure she got that nomination. And then they bought into the hype generated by the media that have been in their back pocket, and thought she was invincible. And yet they still decided to cheat, blatantly enough that even that same media had to admit to to leaking debate questions to her.

Donald Trump didn't beat Hilary. Democrats defeated her, largely by turning the media into their own personal propaganda machine. They just forgot to stay anchored enough in reality.

Yes. The media was in her pocket, hence e-mails receiving more coverage than all policy issues combined.


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Aranna wrote:

Sanders would have won.

That could just as easily have been 53+ million people who were just that disgusted by Trump.

Sanders had plenty of his own skeletons and vulnerabilities as well. It wasn't Clinton's 25+ years of having Repubs throwing poop at her, but don't bet the Repubs wouldn't have made mountains out of Sanders' foibles too.

Liberty's Edge

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Snorter wrote:
Maybe it's time to accept the divide is irrevocable, and separate the country?

I have long said that the ONLY way we are ever going to fix this country is to give everyone what they want... states under GOP control get GOP economic and social policies while states under Dem control get Dem economic and social policies.

Remove the ability to always point the finger at the other party when things go wrong. Everybody should be for it... they get what they want. IMO this will clearly show that one party is a horrific disaster and the other essentially sound... leading people to switch en masse... or quickly turn their state into a blasted wasteland that the rest of the country can eventually enter and begin the long process of teaching the cave dwellers there how to integrate into the modern world.


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Aranna wrote:
ulgulanoth wrote:
Well lets see how the world starts to shape up at the end of 2016, with Brexit and Trump, so many stupid decisions will go down, lets see what no.3 will be...

Things often do come in threes... But we can break that trend... right?

Columbia's referendum against peace is a solid candidate for 3rd.

Sovereign Court

Looks like Hillary did win the popular vote


Irontruth wrote:
A highly regarded expert wrote:

I blame media consolidation, Citizens United, an ineffectual press, and low-information white women who prefer an accused child rapist to one of their own.

His pretrial begins Dec. 16.

The anonymous woman pulled her court case last Friday, there will be no trial.

I didn't know that until just now.


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Consolation prize: Sheriff Joe Arpaio lost his bid for re-election.


Rednal wrote:
Consolation prize: Sheriff Joe Arpaio lost his bid for re-election.

That just means he's now free to be appointed a position in the Trump cabinet. >:(


Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
Rednal wrote:
Consolation prize: Sheriff Joe Arpaio lost his bid for re-election.
That just means he's now free to be appointed a position in the Trump cabinet. >:(

... Supreme Court Judge?

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