Mummy's Mask Base Set


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Guys. Guys. Guys. It has a page. A PAGE!


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Expected October 2016!!!!


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Finally! So excited!


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Wooohooo!

Hopefully it will make it to Australia, before Christmas 2016, but once again:

Wooohooo!


magus, druid, cleric, and occultist in the add-on deck

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The_Napier wrote:
magus, druid, cleric, and occultist in the add-on deck

I am disappointed at so many non-iconics before we get all the iconics, but I am somewhat mollified by two of these add-on characters being likely to have the divine skill in spades.


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Eliandra Giltessan wrote:
The_Napier wrote:
magus, druid, cleric, and occultist in the add-on deck
I am disappointed at so many non-iconics before we get all the iconics, but I am somewhat mollified by two of these add-on characters being likely to have the divine skill in spades.

They'd have to practically fill the game with new classes to avoid that though. As much as I'd love new classes, they need to fit the theme too so you can't just cram 11 classes in just to get new ones in. As long as we don't ever get a non iconic in a class that doesn't have an iconic yet, I'm fine with it.

I'm extremely excited to see how the Occultist is done though, one of my favorite RPG classes.

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Non-iconics; awesome. Looking forward to it.

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Andrew L Klein wrote:
I'm extremely excited to see how the Occultist is done though, one of my favorite RPG classes.

I think the Occultist will explode some people's minds.

In the good way, I mean.

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I have so called dibs on the Occultist for our lunch games. In every other base set, I've picked last. I'm making a gd exception this time!


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Andrew L Klein wrote:
As long as we don't ever get a non iconic in a class that doesn't have an iconic yet, I'm fine with it.

Such as?


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And now the subscriber question.
Do I have to cancel my sub and restart it to only get the character add-on via subscription or will there be another way this time?


Wonderful news!


The question I'm wondering is if we'll be able to play an early version of it at Gen Con.

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IT MUST BE MINE!

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Eliandra Giltessan wrote:
I am disappointed at so many non-iconics before we get all the iconics, but I am somewhat mollified by two of these add-on characters being likely to have the divine skill in spades.

At least we have the one...

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Hrmmm. So, after a little googling... Are we talking about Drelm the half-orc guard captain and devotee of Abadar, and Channa Ti the half-elven water druid?


James McKendrew wrote:
Hrmmm. So, after a little googling... Are we talking about Drelm the half-orc guard captain and devotee of Abadar, and Channa Ti the half-elven water druid?

Sounds right to me.

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Keith Richmond wrote:
Andrew L Klein wrote:
I'm extremely excited to see how the Occultist is done though, one of my favorite RPG classes.

I think the Occultist will explode some people's minds.

In the good way, I mean.

Is there a non-good way to explode a mind?!?!

Zaister wrote:
Andrew L Klein wrote:
As long as we don't ever get a non iconic in a class that doesn't have an iconic yet, I'm fine with it.
Such as?

There's many classes with an iconic that PACG hasn't made a character for yet. Ninja, most of the Occult, just to name a few.


Andrew L Klein wrote:
Keith Richmond wrote:
Andrew L Klein wrote:
I'm extremely excited to see how the Occultist is done though, one of my favorite RPG classes.

I think the Occultist will explode some people's minds.

In the good way, I mean.

Is there a non-good way to explode a mind?!?!

H.P. Lovecraft might have a thing or two to say on this subject.

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This one looks to fill a lot of Occult iconics, I'd think.

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Andrew L Klein wrote:
Keith Richmond wrote:
Andrew L Klein wrote:
I'm extremely excited to see how the Occultist is done though, one of my favorite RPG classes.

I think the Occultist will explode some people's minds.

In the good way, I mean.

Is there a non-good way to explode a mind?!?!

Spell Perfection (explode head)


Well I only see Wrath and Rise in Sagamore at Gen Con. Looks like there might not be any Mummy's Mask tease playtime. :)

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Doesn't mean it won't be there.

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I have a hope that the Gen Con demo sets might be Mummy's Mask.


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Why is this 'iconics vs noniconics' a big deal? I can't remotely understand why it matters in any way, shape, or form.

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Zhayne wrote:
Why is this 'iconics vs noniconics' a big deal? I can't remotely understand why it matters in any way, shape, or form.

I was confused by this as well! What are we missing here?

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So, as a player of the RPG, I love and have attachment to the iconics. They travel through all the Paizo modules with us, and every book contains art of the iconics. When you play pregens in PFS organized play, the pregens are iconics. So people who have played a lot of PFS have stories of adventuring with Kyra or Crowe or Harsk.

People who only play the card game don't necessarily have the same attachment to the iconics.* All the characters are new to them, and they'd rather see a new cleric than a 4th iteration of Kyra, because they don't have a history of Kyra.

Also, investigator is my favorite class, and Quinn is one of my favorite iconics. It makes me very sad that we're not even going through all the iconics before we get to see him. I continue to hold out hope that he is one of the unrevealed characters from Mummy's Mask. He can disable magical traps! He'd be so helpful!

*Note: RPG players:Iconic lovers::ACG players:Iconic indifferent is not necessarily a 1:1 correlation, and I certainly don't speak for all players of either game.

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Eliandra Giltessan wrote:

So, as a player of the RPG, I love and have attachment to the iconics. They travel through all the Paizo modules with us, and every book contains art of the iconics. When you play pregens in PFS organized play, the pregens are iconics. So people who have played a lot of PFS have stories of adventuring with Kyra or Crowe or Harsk.

People who only play the card game don't necessarily have the same attachment to the iconics.* All the characters are new to them, and they'd rather see a new cleric than a 4th iteration of Kyra, because they don't have a history of Kyra.

Also, investigator is my favorite class, and Quinn is one of my favorite iconics. It makes me very sad that we're not even going through all the iconics before we get to see him. I continue to hold out hope that he is one of the unrevealed characters from Mummy's Mask. He can disable magical traps! He'd be so helpful!

*Note: RPG players:Iconic lovers::ACG players:Iconic indifferent is not necessarily a 1:1 correlation, and I certainly don't speak for all players of either game.

Ah, that makes more sense. I never played as an iconic in the RPG because I preferred to make my own characters. But I can see getting attached...I'm a big Seelah fan even though I never played her in the RPG.


As another RPG and PFS player: the iconics serve a purpose but aren't that important to me, and Kyra has joined my PFS characters about 10 times as often as the other iconics combined. (Note, however, that the newer classes' iconics have not had PFS legal pregens for that long.)

Despite this, I agree that the iconics should appear before anyone else in the same class. Their purpose is to be an example of their class, after all. Also they already have plenty of art to use. :)


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As far as the iconics are concerned, I am an rpg player and also a card gamer, and I have a different view than what seems to be the majority. I'm actually getting pretty tired of the iconics and wish that they'd use other characters more. I'm 100% fine with using them in most of the art, as that was their original purpose, to be an art reference and fill in for "your pc". So I'm super stoked anytime a different character comes out for the card game. Bonus points for being from the fiction, as that's one of my favorite parts of pathfinder, partially because it uses original characters.

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I don't play d20 if I can help it, so I haven't been playing the RPG adventure paths. But I LIKE the iconics a lot. I find the multiple versions diverse enough to be interesting every time a new one comes out. I like all the Lems, all the Kyras, all the Linis... Each for different reasons.

I ALSO like the class-deck variants, because they go in WILDLY different directions. But I'd be happy if they stuck with Iconics in the base sets and character decks, and kept the non-iconics in class decks.

This isn't a STRONG opinion, so bring on Ahmotep, Channa Ti, and Drelm!

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When playing the RPG, I rarely use any iconic unless I'm going into a scenario cold (which has happened a couple times) and I'm not ready with a character to play. What I like about the playable iconics in PFS RPG and PFS ACG is that they're same (more or less). You know the Kyra you're playing in the Year of the Sky Key is the same one you've been playing in Season of the Shackles (more or less). When I read the comics and see Ezren and read his back story, it's the same Ezren that I played in Rise of the Runelords AP for the ACG and the same Ezren that kicked ass in Year of the Demon. And I think for a lot of players that common thread of iconic characters allow them to tie things together.

On the other side of it, I also like the variations in the iconics we're given so that not every Kyra is the same, as well as Harsk and Lini. Being able to unlock other iconic characters as you play. Having other characters available in the class decks.


That's an important distinction too: I don't read the novels or comics or even most of the Paizo blog posts, so I don't have any connection to characters who mostly/only appear in those sources. I also haven't played or run all of the PFS scenarios (I'm pretty good on seasons 1-4 and scattered on the others.) Thus the iconics are the ones I know the most about, but only through their appearances in the rulebooks and various bits of art. Whether another character has a ton of backstory or was mostly created for the card game doesn't make much of a difference to me, but would be much more interesting to folks who have invested time with those characters. (Ex: the Paizo folks seemed very excited about Ostog being in the ACG, while I was "Meh, whatever, generic barbarian.")

In the end, though, this is a pretty minor thing. The designers are going to pick whatever characters they want and I'm sure most will be interesting within the limits of the card game mechanics. :)

(Odd side note: I actually have a few of the earlier novels because they were widely distributed as prize support to conventions. I've even used them for their free PFS chronicles. I'll probably get around to reading them someday.)


Eliandra Giltessan wrote:
...People who only play the card game don't necessarily have the same attachment to the iconics.* All the characters are new to them, and they'd rather see a new cleric than a 4th iteration of Kyra, because they don't have a history of Kyra...

This exactly! I'm a card game only person (so far)--never looked at the RPG, books, or comics--so for me, I don't usually know an iconic from a non-iconic (except for when I want to get a mini of my character and there is still no Arabundi mini!!), and so it's pretty irrelevant either way.

I actually have learned more about the iconics in the past week playing the card game on my iPad (thanks Obisdian) than in two years of playing the actual card game :)


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They may not make the cut, but Balazar, Damiel, Kyra, Seelah and Zadim can say that at least at some point they were pictured on the box.
And years ago, it was question of having some kind of Sylph character if my old memory isn't mistaken.

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I do not play the RPG or read any comics, and have no attachment to the iconics at all. I am with RETH-Mog - I'd prefer they release different characters. The iconics, by nature, place some severe limitations on a class and its PACG mechanics. Kyra is always going to be a cleric of Sarenrae, so you'll likely never see a version of her that interacts with a most of the other blessings. Lem is a halfling, so he's never going to be great at Strength & Melee checks. Ezren hates the gods, so if he's the only wizard they use then the wizards aren't going to typically have much to do with blessings (one of the most versatile cards in the game).

I think it's awesome that, with the class decks, we now have a sorcerer that focuses on mental spells, a cleric that can gain the Arcane skill, a druid that focuses more on plants than animals, and so forth. You wouldn't see any of that on the iconics.


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I play the RPG, but not in PFS (I stick with home games only where I can have an overarching campaign with a stable group). As such, I have no attachment to the iconics whatsoever. I like that they exist, but I don't need 10 variations of each of them in the card game. On the flip side, I understand that there are those that really like the iconics, and those that are purchasing whatever the new box set is as their first foray into PACG. I therefore also understand that every new box set needs at least some iconics for those first-timers who are familiar with and like them. However, with a metric ton of iconics in existence, it's getting rather old to keep seeing Kyra and Valeros variations pop up instead of other iconics that haven't been seen in the card game yet (and giving the cleric and fighter slots to non-iconics if such slots are needed).


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I'm definitely looking forward to the Mummy's Mask base set/adventure path, especially since both my wife and I are fans of the mythology and imagery of ancient Egypt. In addition, seeing what new twists the game designers add to the game (curses, oh my) will prove interesting and will, hopefully keep things fresh.

As far as the iconics vs non-iconics issue goes, I like the iconics even though my only experience with the Pathfinder setting is the card game. I've been researching a lot of the RPG books as I work on my own custom scenarios, adventures, and characters, but all of this research is for the card game. The way I see it, the use of iconics helps with accessibility and artwork, and also provides players a way to "continue" the adventures of characters across disparate adventure paths.

Realistically, the "iconics" aspect is nothing more than window dressing (to me). There are really only six elements of a character that fall within the rubric of being an "iconic": name, background, image, and the three traits. Of those, only the traits have any bearing on the game. All of the really important stuff for game play (skills, cards, powers) can remain the same. It would be very easy for players/designers to create "new" characters simply by changing (most of) those "iconics" elements. So a game group that is tired of the iconics can simply take whatever characters the designers provide and make their own character sheets, changing the six elements in question (okay, the class-based trait would probably stay the same, but the other five are fair game) in order to keep things fresh for their group. Tired of Valeros? Use the same rules, but change his traits to a female dwarf, find an appropriate image, and slap on a suitable name. With the exception of the trait(s) you change, you're still playing an official enough version of Valeros. Game effects that pertain to character traits are extremely rare, so changing them for "custom" characters will have a negligible effect on game balance.

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Part of the crowd Paizo is trying to reach are people that have purchased other products like the RPG and maybe the comics. So I understand when the people that only play the ACG say that they don't have any attachment to the iconic characters. But Paizo is trying change that. They'd like for someone that has only be an RPGer to pick up the card game and recognize some of the characters in it. They'd like the person that just plays the ACG to maybe pick up the RPG books and recognize character there. (Right, Hawkmoon?)

While some people get bored with seeing Kyra or Valeros popping up here or there in base sets, they (Paizo) are trying to keep those ties going so that there's some cross-product "advertising" simply by use of the iconics.


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Troymk1 wrote:
October is my Birthday precious

My birthday is a few months earlier. May I still get it as a birthday gift from Paizo?

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Mine's late November, but I'd probably get lynched if I suggested delaying it another month. (And my fiancee would probably head up the mob...) I'll happily sit, wait, and get my subscription e-mail. At which point I shall squee once again.


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Mine is October 29th, with the shipping delay to France, it could be perfect :-)

Just saying...


Confimred on their Gen Con blog post:

Quote:


Even though Mummy's Mask won't be out until October, we will be running continuous MM demos at the Paizo booth during floor hours. Just show up, take a seat, and try not to get cursed too badly. And don't miss the Pathfinder Adventure Card Game seminar on Thursday at 2:00 PM—even we have no idea what secrets we might reveal!

http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lish?Gen-Con-Baby


Yeah, I bet some of the barriers are curses that accrue on your character :/

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