I think it bears mentioning that Dragonscale Loyalist, with its free Aldori Dueling Sword prof, as an Avenger, really benefits from options from Adventurer's Guide, like the one that grants you a scaling sneak attack damage.
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Adventurer's Update! Now included is the Masked Maiden archetype, mentally (and physically) scarred survivor of the Gray Maidens and another example of why uncontrolled identity shifts can take a cool archetype and turn it awful.
I don't know about calling it awful, especially since there's some leeway with "as soon as she can get out of sight" so it's up to you and your GM when that would apply since just running from a fight might not work, as your opponent can keep following you, so you could take them out and then switch aka there's nothing to notice if there's nobody to notice.
As to the Will save it's thankfully low, as a Vigilante you have good Will progression, and the Companion to the Lonely talent helps a LOT, and you can always force it at the beginning of the day.
Granted I too would have preferred being immune to morale effects rather than just bonuses, but the flavor and mentality of the archetype far outweigh the negatives to me.
I think it bears mentioning that Dragonscale Loyalist, with its free Aldori Dueling Sword prof, as an Avenger, really benefits from options from Adventurer's Guide, like the one that grants you a scaling sneak attack damage.
I don't disagree, but at the same time, I would personally rather burn the feat, since I think the Appearance line is better than what replaces it (and that's coming from me). I have made a note though.
@Rysky: Perhaps it was a bit hyperbolic, but the uncontrolled change thing really grinds my gears. Class features should not by their very nature remove control of your character, that's the purview of offensive effects.
that's 3pp material, see pg 50
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I think it bears mentioning that Dragonscale Loyalist, with its free Aldori Dueling Sword prof, as an Avenger, really benefits from options from Adventurer's Guide, like the one that grants you a scaling sneak attack damage.I don't disagree, but at the same time, I would personally rather burn the feat, since I think the Appearance line is better than what replaces it (and that's coming from me). I have made a note though.
@Rysky: Perhaps it was a bit hyperbolic, but the uncontrolled change thing really grinds my gears. Class features should not by their very nature remove control of your character, that's the purview of offensive effects.
Sorry for the late response, I just saw your yours. It doesn't remove control of your character from you, it simply changes them, you're almost playing two characters but you are playing and controlling both of them. As a unique character option it stands out.
Sorry for the late response, I just saw your yours. It doesn't remove control of your character from you, it simply changes them, you're almost playing two characters but you are playing and controlling both of them. As a unique character option it stands out.I think it bears mentioning that Dragonscale Loyalist, with its free Aldori Dueling Sword prof, as an Avenger, really benefits from options from Adventurer's Guide, like the one that grants you a scaling sneak attack damage.I don't disagree, but at the same time, I would personally rather burn the feat, since I think the Appearance line is better than what replaces it (and that's coming from me). I have made a note though.
@Rysky: Perhaps it was a bit hyperbolic, but the uncontrolled change thing really grinds my gears. Class features should not by their very nature remove control of your character, that's the purview of offensive effects.
It's not really a unique character option, though. Master Chymist did the "2 personalities in the same body" schtick first, and it did that schtick better.
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It's not really a unique character option, though. Master Chymist did the "2 personalities in the same body" schtick first, and it did that schtick better.Sorry for the late response, I just saw your yours. It doesn't remove control of your character from you, it simply changes them, you're almost playing two characters but you are playing and controlling both of them. As a unique character option it stands out.I think it bears mentioning that Dragonscale Loyalist, with its free Aldori Dueling Sword prof, as an Avenger, really benefits from options from Adventurer's Guide, like the one that grants you a scaling sneak attack damage.I don't disagree, but at the same time, I would personally rather burn the feat, since I think the Appearance line is better than what replaces it (and that's coming from me). I have made a note though.
@Rysky: Perhaps it was a bit hyperbolic, but the uncontrolled change thing really grinds my gears. Class features should not by their very nature remove control of your character, that's the purview of offensive effects.
Eh, I wouldn't say it's better, it's also a prestige class and the alternate self comes about through mutagens and experiments, so different feeling than one brought about though trauma.
FedoraFerret,
Have you had a chance to look through the Anti-Heroes Handbook. It's got some social and vigilante talents and an archetype in it. I like the sound of the social talent, Beginner's Luck. It allows you to keep the +20 bonus when you use a vigilante talent while in social identity. It's got some caveats, but they seem to be role-playable.
Safe house is a bit underrated. Not only are you not a hobo, you're actually living in a mansion, in the center of an urban area (which can inflate the worth of that by a ton), by mid levels.
I've found a "manor" (mayor of a backwater village) in modules of 65*55 foot squares with two stories and another "mansion" (big enough to be a secret base and have the amenities you'd expect from a mansion) is 110*95 feet,This is semi-portable too.
I never interpreted this talent as supplying the space. You live wherever you live, be it a fancy mansion or a sewer tunnel; this talent just secures whatever space you do designate.
When you get a chance, check out the archetypes in....
Antihero's Handbook (mentioned above)
Blood of the Sea (gillman)
People of the Wastes
Ultimate Wilderness
Presenting the Ferret Is Lazy update, featuring things from the last several months that I haven't been updating. For the new entries, just Ctrl+F for Antihero's Handbook, Blood of the Sea, People of the Wastes, and Ultimate Wilderness. If I've missed anything, please give me a heads up, and I'll be happy to add it back in.
Presenting the Disciple's Update. Featuring some really good social talent and some... okay? Vigilante talents.
Skill Familiarity from Disciple's Doctrine requires 9th level, but is in the 1st level section of social talents.
love the handbook
also, Vigilante Talents from pg 20 in People of the Wastes