Hi everybody
i'm studing the new Vigilante class and its archetypes, and i've got a cool idea to make a strong and fun character.
1 Braweler (Sneakbite)
2 Vigilante, Warlock
3 Vigilante / +1d6 sneak attack talent
4 Vigilante
5 Vigilante
Then Arcane Trickster 10, and the last 5 levels of warlock again or eldritch knight
Trickster is a strange class... it can inflict a lot of damage with sneak attack but it's not good at melee...
It can casts spells but it's safe DC will not be never good as a full caster.
So the best way to use it is to inflict damages with a ranged sneak attack, usually with some spells like scorching ray.
With warlock you got unlimited ranged attack (and makes it a contact attack, too) that you can improve with feats.
it deal just 2d6 damage, but you can use your sneak attacks with it!
So uses illusions or charme spells to help your sneak attack strikes, and uses arcane tricksters ability too.
With this build you will have a less "magical" trickster but you can saves your spell slots for utility and defensive spells and not just for rays!
With the right feats you will throws a 5 or more bolts (at high level) in a round, and if you can get the sneak attack works, they will hits for 9d6 of damage each!
More with the right feats!
This build has a better BAB than "regular" arcane tricksters, a better Fort safe and can cast spells while wearing light armor.
It also have Improved Unarmed Strike so it can make some damage with his fists while flanking (but most of the time avoids to go melee).
At last, i think that is also a nice PC for role play... making him a NG "simple minded" man on day, and a "warlock scundrel" CN at night with alot of skills and magics powers.
I think to make him human, cause it needs a lot of feats, like 2 weapons fights, rapid shots etc...
25 pt build
STR 8
DEX 18
CON 14
INT 18
WIS 10
CHA 8
Any ideas with feats and vigilante talents I should take?
At level 3 or 5 i need the one that boost sneak attacks damage by 1!
Thanks
The problem with ranged sneak attacking is that it only works for the surprise and maybe first round. Otherwise they aren't flat footed, and you can't flank with ranged to get sneak attack that way.
So you either need a way to reset your sneak attack at ranged.
Or
You need to go into melee and flank.
Once you've decided this we can help more.
If your GM agrees, UI's ranged feint feat and two-weapon feint might work for you. The latter specifies melee attacks but it was written when feint couldn't work at range. Between that and the usual ranged feats - point blank shot, precise shot etc. - you should keep your feat progression busy for a long time.
The warlock talents are probably better for you than the few non-specialisation specific talents.
The sneak attack feat you want is accomplished sneak attacker IIRC
I'am a 6 level caster with a wizard spellbook and a pretty high INT
So :
1 round: if i can make a full attack with all my "sneaked bolt" OR
2 round: use illusions, enchantment or field-control spells to negate enemies dex and then attack again!
And i can flank too, Warlock bolt can be melee weapons too, or i can use the Improved Unarmored Strike of my level 1 Brawler.
Last... i can combine Sneakbite with wild child to take.. a level 1 pet to use for flanking... (and a free Heal class skill)
I'm confused. I can't find a Brawler ability named Sneakbite, and I can't find a Vigilante Talent called Sneak Attack.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/accomplished-sneak-attacker
Oh. I knew about Snakebite Striker and Accomplished Sneak Attacker. That just isn't what the OP says. Weird.
I' don't think that warlok bolts are mediocre... ok, they are not to strong but with sneak attack damage they become stornger than the "normal" bolt.
Then with sleep, slumber, hold person, color spray, invisibility etc... you can "flat foot" your enemyes and make a full round attack with all your sneak available.
At level 7 with the right feat you can become invisible and trhow 4 "sneaked" bolt, each for 7d6 of damage!
i mean normal invisibility...
Hi everybody
i'm studing the new Vigilante class and its archetypes, and i've got a cool idea to make a strong and fun character.
1 Braweler (Sneakbite)
2 Vigilante, Warlock
3 Vigilante / +1d6 sneak attack talent
4 Vigilante
5 VigilanteThen Arcane Trickster 10, and the last 5 levels of warlock again or eldritch knight
Trickster is a strange class... it can inflict a lot of damage with sneak attack but it's not good at melee...
It can casts spells but it's safe DC will not be never good as a full caster.So the best way to use it is to inflict damages with a ranged sneak attack, usually with some spells like scorching ray.
With warlock you got unlimited ranged attack (and makes it a contact attack, too) that you can improve with feats.
it deal just 2d6 damage, but you can use your sneak attacks with it!
So uses illusions or charme spells to help your sneak attack strikes, and uses arcane tricksters ability too.
Um, it deals 1d6 + 1/level, so at level 20, you deal 1d6 +5 or 1d6+10 (if you take the last 5 as Warlock). Where did you get the 2d6 idea?
i'think it was:
1d6 + "1 more d6" every four levels...
1d6 + 1 is very bad...
Nope. the damage is 1d6 +1per every 4.
If it was adding 1d6 it'd say +1d6 every 4.
Yes it scales poorly. That's why there were so many threads asking how to make it a viable damage ability.
Why not go VMC Rogue and skip the Dip, getting full casting and more Talents from Warlock? I mean it means AT comes online later but it would still be decent i think.
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Why not go VMC Rogue and skip the Dip, getting full casting and more Talents from Warlock? I mean it means AT comes online later but it would still be decent i think.
Given the ability to go Rogue 1/Wizard 3/Arcane Trickster X...going Arcane Trickster on a 6-level class is a really questionable decision.
I'see...
the more I think the more it seems weak to me u_u
but wath about some spell that flat foot the enemies?
Or Hold person... Deep Slumber... and more..?
Otherwise...
1 LV sneakbite
1 LV warlock
3 LV Wizard
X LV Arcane Trikster?
Why the Wizard levels? Why not just straight Warlock?