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1: I'd say yes, but prepare for the coming arguments about what FAQs apply to what.
2: As written, yes - it doesn't specify ranged damage rolls.
3: Looks about right, yeah.
4: As written, you should get Precise Throw, and you'll get Point Blank Shot if the secondary target is within 30 feet of you (not 30 feet of the ricochet point).
5: It's pretty clear from the text that it's the same weapon. Someone might rule otherwise, but I can't imagine anyone actually doing so.
6: See my next post. Note that table variation is still possible; however, having the author's statement of intent should help.
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number 6 was clarified, I think in the product thread, by the creator. Though I can't remember what he said nor do I have the link handy.
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number 6 was clarified, I think in the product thread, by the creator. Though I can't remember what he said nor do I have the link handy.
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number 6 was clarified, I think in the product thread, by the creator. Though I can't remember what he said nor do I have the link handy.
It'll be nice if we could get an official FAQ/errata on that. It's awesome that Alexander took the time to drop in and let us know what he meant to happen with the feat but as he said it "isn't official".
2. Startoss Style just says you have to use a weapons from the thrown weapon group. Do you get the +2 bonus to dmg with Starknives on a melee attack? It seems to work on RAW but I'm not sure it's RAI.
Alexander said that he did intend for the bonus to apply to both ranged and melee attacks.
Does anything in Startoss Style actually prevent you from gaining the damage bonus on melee attacks with weapons in the thrown weapon group?Nope.??
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At some point, people are going to realize that a good tenth of my turnover to Owen (including Startoss Style) only exists because I wanted my flying blade swashbuckler, dagger master fighter to be remotely viable. ;-)
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As a game designer, I HATE when effects that augment a weapon only apply to one specific use of that weapon, so I made sure to make the feat read in a way that it didn't completely mess up people who use daggers, chakrams, starknives, THE HALFLIG SLINGSTAFF, and similar weapons because the fact that those weapons can be used both ways should be a neat feature of fighting with that weapon, not something that you're forced to hyperspecialize out of.
[/dismountsoapbox]But keep in mind that I'm not a Paizo developer or designer, and my design goals are second to Paizo's.
Some recommendations, you're making a thrown weapon character and that is going to have some requirements you should consider.
Firstly, the range isn't the long on them. You're going to want a higher constitution than you have currently. Yes, you're probably going to have to dump your int to accomplish this. Or reduce your starting dex to only 18. I would recommend Str 10 Dex 18 Con 14 Int 10 Wis 10 Cha 14.
Second to consider, you're loading up on damage feats and ignoring more important feats! I know you're thinking, "What's this guy talking about, damage is the most important thing!"
Wrong! You need a lot of feat for a thrown weapon build and damage feats are a lesser part of it.
You need:
point-blank shot
precise shot
rapid shot
quick draw-->ricochet toss (including the feat tax to let you get or a blinkback belt)
weapon focus--> weapon specialization--> point-blank master
weapon finesse--> starry grace
Then you can do things like deadly aim and startoss style
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Thrown Weapons is so feat intensive, it really only makes sense on a fighter. You can make a thrown weapon switch hitter with a swashbuckler, but for thrown weapon specialist, you need a metric crapton of feats.
So Fighter, or possibly Warpriest or Far Strike Monk.
Slayer can manage, too. And, as you say, Warpriest does a good job as well.
And I think Swashbuckler actually does okay. The +Level to damage is a pretty big boost and makes up for a few Feats in many cases. Well, it can if you're Human, anyway.
I was going this way because Rapid Shot isn't really useful until you get Ricochet Toss or have a second Starknife which requires Quick Draw to still make the second attack. Then both require returning or a blinkback belt which means no Dex belt. I really think all you need is Point-Blank Shot and Precise Shot to make ranged attacks viable. Rapid Shot requires more feats/items to make it work while if you go Startoss Style/Comet it increases the ranged damage and melee damage. You get the same number of attacks as long as there are multiple targets. Sure there are a lot of times there is one target but I think trying to get Rapid Shot to work is a pain for thrown weapon builds.
I guess what you're suggesting for feats is
Lvl 1: Swashbuckler's Finesse, Weapon Focus (Starknife), Starry Grace
Lvl 3: Point Blank Shot
Lvl 4: Precise Shot
Lvl 5: Quick Draw
Lvl 7: Rapid Shot
The real problem is that the build isn't really competent until you can throw the same weapon multiple times (and get it back).
This requires either an expensive item or multiple feats to make it happen.
As you note rapid shot isn't any good until you can make multiple attacks.
Something your original build and the one your proposing here is that you can only make a single attack (or a single chain of attacks with startoss line each attack hitting a different target). Then you don't have your weapon anymore. You either need to move and pick up the weapon you've thrown, or draw another (where quick draw helps). But as you level up leaving your +3 starknife on the ground sucks pretty bad instead of getting it back (Ricochet toss).
In my mind Ricochet toss is the linchpin of any thrown weapon build.
If your playing in a home game and can convince the GM to use automatic bonus progression it is less necessary to get the feat as you can use the belt without impeding a dex belt. But you run into the issue that you can't afford it at all until 5th level, where it will represent pretty much all your WBL (because it gets cut in half from normal WBL for ABP). Though, this is less of a problem since you will get magic weapon, armor, amulet of nat armor, ring of protection, cloak of resistance, and stat boosting items for free.
Thrown Weapons is so feat intensive, it really only makes sense on a fighter. You can make a thrown weapon switch hitter with a swashbuckler, but for thrown weapon specialist, you need a metric crapton of feats.
So Fighter, or possibly Warpriest or Far Strike Monk.
Slayer can manage, too. And, as you say, Warpriest does a good job as well.
And I think Swashbuckler actually does okay. The +Level to damage is a pretty big boost and makes up for a few Feats in many cases. Well, it can if you're Human, anyway.
Yeah, the OP needs to replace all his damage bonus feats (as he will be getting plenty of bonus damage) with feats to actually make thrown weapons useable. Damage is actually going to be least of the concerns ones you can actually make full attack actions with your weapon.
But without precise shot you're basically taking a -4 penalty to attack rolls all the time. It may suck to think "Damn I wish I had Deadly Aim for another 6 damage and all the Startoss line for another 6 too!" But what sucks worse is not hitting the enemy at all because you don't have the basic feats required for ranged combat.
You want to hit a guy behind your ally? Don't have precise shot and improved precise shot? -8 penalty to attacks.
Keep in mind two returning starknives will cost you a minimum of 16,000gp for 2 +1 returning starknives. That's the entire budget of a 6th level character, and half of the budget of an 8th level character. You wont have magical armor, ring of protection, amulet of natural armor, cloak of resistance, or any ability score enhancing items (or in the case of the 8th level character worse than would be expected).
And for your second edit, I'm not sure how you are thinking you can use startoss line to attack the same target twice. It simply isn't possible.
In general, thrown weapon builds are not suited for PFS because it requires too many feats to actually be reasonably good at, before you've basically hit the end of the character's life. 10th level is where the two thrown weapon character builds I've made have hit their stride, one fighter and one warpriest.
Keep in mind that Startoss style never lets you attack the same target, so while you might be able to get several hits, they will be spread out (if targets are even available) and strategically this is less useful than focusing damage on a single target.
Thrown Weapons is so feat intensive, it really only makes sense on a fighter. You can make a thrown weapon switch hitter with a swashbuckler, but for thrown weapon specialist, you need a metric crapton of feats.
So Fighter, or possibly Warpriest or Far Strike Monk.
Slayer can manage, too. And, as you say, Warpriest does a good job as well.
And I think Swashbuckler actually does okay. The +Level to damage is a pretty big boost and makes up for a few Feats in many cases. Well, it can if you're Human, anyway.
The new rogue archetype, Phantom Thief, can take combat trick as often as they like so they can manage thrown pretty well and they are ahead of the game at switch hitting as they get dex to hit/dam for free.