Hello
So first of all im the new Player, i try to describe the whole current Situation but that will be a bit longer.
So first of all the Basic Setting,
I did Play a Chaotic Neutral Druid, because I have a Chaotic Evil(Nature) god for my Prestige class
the generell Setting was that the Group I'm in is a Kind of like the French Foreign Legion, and we where on a Mission to save some of our man in an Undercover like Mission so noone should know that we are from the "French Foreign Legion"
At the beginning was everything fine and nice, and just Little things, like as i did meet the others the first time it was like, ok you are a druid you smell, but beside that no Problems.
then came a nice Phase where everyone was like, nice trick,(like as i rememberd that i could summon water elementals to make a fire stop burning, (im still a noob))
then we came to a big city, and I made a stupid mistace, i did walk into a temple of a Lawful good god and asked the priest of them if he knows some Information of a cult, we found. I was very vage because i did not want to endanger the Mission. (the Problem was the Moment i did walk into the temple and did not kill everyone the GM Marked me as unable to cast spells anymore) but did not told me, so i was like,
why the hell do i cannot cast anymore, as i noob i didnot even know it was possible for me to lose my abiltiy to cast if i enter a temple of an opposing god -.-
so I Keep trying to find out why i cannot cast that and the whole next session, like going to witches and let them check me if i got cursed or what ever. luckyly one of the other Players did told me after the second session why i cannot cast, because GM did not want to tell me, i had to find out my self( solution was ironacally the same Thing as i did the first Moment, i did ask if i can use a Wisdom check to find out why i cannot cast anymore and the first time i even did roll higher then the one i did solve it with) after that the GM told me
then came the big Problem noone told me how I get the ability to cast again, and i got arrested for praying to a CE God because a Party member did told the Priester that i Prey to one ..., they did told the Priester because they did not trust in me and did spy on me while i did some Research.
Luckyly i did came out prison but now a GM NPC had to follow me all the time. since it really anoyed me that i cannot cast anymore i did try out many things to be able to cast again, which sometimes where quite random but did match to CN. after all i did know of did not helped me I asked the GM for adive after a game, he did send me a link on how that god is praised, i did try to do all the things, beside the obvious literally kill someone because to many good People where in the Group and someone did watch over me all the time. but very disapointingly GM told me after that, those things only work on clerics and you are a druid so you still cannot cast anymore.
So after 5 sessions i could not cast we did find the cults hidout and did attack it. beside me not being able to cast, we did very well. then it was almost time for the final battle and i went out to guard the Exit that all the prisoners we did free could go safely out and i did search some weapons form dead bodies for them that they dont wast time. and we can Group up and tackel the main villain together. but GM NPC Comes to me and Orders/insults me why i guard that place i should go and prepare for the attack any second. Im like what the hell, because "outtime" i did know every other PC was running the other diraction. and i first was like ok im not that crazy, but next Moment the prisoners i did heal and free did attack me ..., luckyly they did miss so i used my higher movement Speed in wild shape to run from them to the GM NPC which was waiting for me and was angry that i took so Long.
then I had to roll ini. i was second in order with a good roll. And i though ok that means he want to attack, he also did attack with the only NPC which did roll higher then me, so i did follow the attack and i though yeah the rest of These guys attack with me because they did want to kill the villain very bad. Problem was that was the only NPC that attacked, the rest of the NPC after me where like, ok we run back, and then i got 1shotted.
At the beginning of the next session i got revived, that was quite nice, at least i though. so i started the next session alive again but i just found out they did Arrest me and 4 men was always keeping me down that i could not even stand up on the cart they did Transport me on, i still could not cast, they did sold all my Family belonging and memories to revive me and they did left my pets at the City i did die in. and the whole season gm was like, and what do you do, but i only could say i sit still because if i would try to stand up 2 NPC's would put me down again, they did not allow me to try to get my pets back and did put me in a cell soon afterwards.
after that GM said he want to talk to me under 4 eyes where he told me that all Players want me to pause for some sessions and dont come because they did not like the things i did try as i was trying to get my ability to cast again.(I did kill nothing, i just acted like Heimsker from skyrim)
So any adive what i should do now?
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Yeah, there's a whole bunch of wrongness going on here. Between the GM working against you, and a fellow player working against you, this doesn't sound like a good group to be playing with. If you can, I'd suggest finding others to play with, because there seems to be a style of play going on at the table that isn't conducive to everyone having fun, especially a new player. And getting the others to change their play style for you likely isn't going to go over well.
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Two things: first, as stated, your DM is a jerk. He should have allowed at least a knowledge: religion of some sort so you know what to do, or even consider it common knowledge amognst people in the religion.
And then chaotic neutral is not about killing people, is about being selfish and paying little heed to the laws. Even CE should not have killed those people, as the drawbacks are way bigger than the "evil" he would acomplish, as it impedes the completion of it's ultimate goal.
I'd also look for another group of people.
Btw, you might be looking for the "atonement" spell, if I remember right it's made for this kind of things.
And there is an object, not very expensive, but i don't quite remember the name, that tells you if anything you're gonna do will make you fall from grace Before you do it, might be useful if playing the tricky alignments.
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Find other people to play with. It seems the gm is straight out bullying you.
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First of all I've never heard anything about the temple but. That is a weirdly specific and vague house rule you should be notified about. Also you are a Druid. Losing casting requires you to betray nature, Druids have no religious bonds like clerics. I would talk with your group. You seem to have fun aside from this. Explain you need to learn all the rules. I get confused as a gm with advanced and rookie players. Make sure the gm helps you, in the end to make sure everyone has fun. If that doesn't work, the item you want is the phylactery of faithfulness...
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Thank you, will really think about leaveing the Group
I know CN is not about killing, here are Thing i did for example.
The did give my all the time very unspecific orders.
for example, i should take care that noones steals an artifact that was lying on altar. they all went away and left me alone with it. so i took the artifact dug a hole put it in their. used Stone shape to seal the hole with a big Stone and then i took a nap on the Stone till they come again, and i could make the Stone go away again and give them the artifact.
It sounds extremely unpleasant - and not at all fun - it also sounds like you were separated from the party for a good while, both before and after resurrection and that never makes things easy.
Context would be useful, sometimes things become clearer the more that is explained.
Why did you pick a chaotic evil God? Which God? Was the rest of the party good?
In what circumstances were you arrested?
Did you say anything or do anything to lose your spells?
It sounds like you may have started with a very bespoke group that home brews its own world and strictures. That's fine, but it may be why it's harder to get into than pathfinder. Your original post is very readable but I get the impression that English isn't your first language. Apologies if I'm wrong. Where there any communication issues at the table.
I agree with all the comments though, it sounds like you have been treated very harshly!
yes English is not my native language, but the whole Group did speak my native language.
Lady Nanbyo, it was not my first choice but the GM told me that i have to pick her if I want to Play as a Wildfire Druid. I first wanted to pick a Neutral god(Yamatsumi)
At the first day of gameing I found out the rest of Party did Prey to an Lawful good god, and that we had a cleric and Paladin of them in the Group ...
as i got arrested the first or second time.
Second time i have no clue why.
first time, i was on a scouting Mission, and did wait at the tavern in the evening to tell the Group what i did find out.
As soon as the rest of the Group did arrive at the tavern they went to me, the fighter did attack me and they dragged me to the temple again.
In the tempel they told me that i have to swear not to harm anyone in the City or will be executed, because my godess is Lady Nanbyo.
(funny fact we know that one of the cult leaders was the Lords best friend ... ), and then i got the GM NPC to look that i do not kill anyone in the City ...
So here is exactly what happend i wanted to find out something about a demonic Symbol i found at a patrol of the cult.
I first went to the Libary, and the mage guild, they didnot know anything. They told me that they are pretty sure the Temple has something about it, so i was ok, i did not plan to go their but if they have something i will check out.
I went to the temple and did ask if i can use the libary to search for a Symbol, they had an old book about it but with nothing new to me. so i went away, the high priest told me that he would pay me well if i know more about it, and if i want to donate something, i pretended that i dont have Money with me and left.
And yes the rest of the Group where old friends and I was the new guy.
The above is a litany of horrors and things no GM or group of players should ever do to another.
Here is the key point that I see:
he told me that all Players want me to pause for some sessions and dont come
It sucks, and they certainly should have handled it better, but they don't want you in their group, and there isn't really anything you can do about that. Some people, in gaming or any activity, just don't get along with each other and this is the case here.
I really hope you try again with a different group and have a better experience.
I would advise in the future to make sure that when you find a new group you build a character that is of an alignment that is close to the 'average' party alignment and make sure the character motivations will fit in with the group as a whole. That is something a good GM should help you do, but you can of course make sure to do it on your own.
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Whenever I see posts like this, I kind of want the other party (like the GM in this case) to see how other, experienced players view their play style.....
While some of the play style is bizarre, it seems that the group in and of itself has fun, and that is the goal.
The failure here isn't one of 'play style' it is basic human decency and good manners. If what the OP reports is at all accurate, the GM and other players failed to follow the 'don't be a dick' rule of interpersonal behavior.
This sounds like a nightmare scenario. Find a Pathfinder Society organized play group near you or go online with d20pro or Roll20 and start anew. There are recruitment forums here on Paizo where you can find another group with which to play.
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Thank you for that helpful advices <3
Very odd. I can't see that the wildfire Druid is linked to evil. It seems like the DM has strong ideas. There are two sides to every story but as Dave says, better luck next time.
For the record mafga, your English is pretty damn good if it your second language!
I agree with Fen. There are so many new campaigns on the paizo forums, it would be easy to find a new game. You could also enter several games, since pbp has less demanding requirements. Paizo is also a great community, so I guarantee you will have tons of fun :)
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after talking to the gm and his brother, for some time, he finally told me what his real Problem with me was.
He likes it, if all goes the way he did think it out, but i did always act in a way he did not think of, or in a more complicated way then he did expect. thats why he dont want to have me in his campain, because of my CN playstyle i did not fit in.
I'm pretty sure my english knowledge comes from Video Games, I did always join international Servers and guilds, it is much more fun if you have a Group of People from all around the world.
Hello
So first of all im the new Player, i try to describe the whole current Situation but that will be a bit longer.
So first of all the Basic Setting,
I did Play a Chaotic Neutral Druid, because I have a Chaotic Evil(Nature) god for my Prestige class
the generell Setting was that the Group I'm in is a Kind of like the French Foreign Legion, and we where on a Mission to save some of our man in an Undercover like Mission so noone should know that we are from the "French Foreign Legion"At the beginning was everything fine and nice, and just Little things, like as i did meet the others the first time it was like, ok you are a druid you smell, but beside that no Problems.
then came a nice Phase where everyone was like, nice trick,(like as i rememberd that i could summon water elementals to make a fire stop burning, (im still a noob))
then we came to a big city, and I made a stupid mistace, i did walk into a temple of a Lawful good god and asked the priest of them if he knows some Information of a cult, we found. I was very vage because i did not want to endanger the Mission. (the Problem was the Moment i did walk into the temple and did not kill everyone the GM Marked me as unable to cast spells anymore) but did not told me, so i was like,
why the hell do i cannot cast anymore, as i noob i didnot even know it was possible for me to lose my abiltiy to cast if i enter a temple of an opposing god -.-
so I Keep trying to find out why i cannot cast that and the whole next session, like going to witches and let them check me if i got cursed or what ever. luckyly one of the other Players did told me after the second session why i cannot cast, because GM did not want to tell me, i had to find out my self( solution was ironacally the same Thing as i did the first Moment, i did ask if i can use a Wisdom check to find out why i cannot cast anymore and the first time i even did roll higher then the one i did solve it with) after that the GM told methen came the big Problem noone told me how I get...
First, you do not lose your spells for walking into a LG temple. Your GM is treating you like a cleric, a cleric might lose access but not a Druid.
Second, a druid's god has nothing to do with a druid's abilities. Again, that is cleric, not druid.
A druid who ceases to revere nature, changes to a prohibited alignment, or teaches the Druidic language to a nondruid loses all spells and druid abilities (including her animal companion, but not including weapon, armor, and shield proficiencies). She cannot thereafter gain levels as a druid until she atones (see the atonement spell description).
All you have to do is revere nature, not be LG/CG/LE/CE, and not teach the Druidic language to keep your abilities.
It sounds like your GM is playing fast and loose with the rules and basically out to do a 'gotcha you are screwed' moment. I would cease playing with said GM if he does not rectify his error.
Regarding Wildfire Druid (an archetype rather than prestige class)...there is NO deity requirement for that archetype. Once again, your GM is playing fast and loose with the rules. Just because you have domains does not make you a cleric.
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I think we've firmly established by this point that his GM was taking a player versus GM attitude to running games, and that most of what was happening was just punishing a player for being creative in ways he didn't expect, or want. Or playing in a way that he didn't want. And that most of what was happening wasn't within the game rules.
But you're right, about the druid rules. He could have easily been playing a NG druid and gotten along amicably with the paladin at the table, and even playing as a CN druid shouldn't have necessarily put him at odds with his teammates. Which is why making him take Lady Nanbyo as a deity is what troubles me the most. It seems like he was being set up to fail from the beginning.
He likes it, if all goes the way he did think it out, but i did always act in a way he did not think of, or in a more complicated way then he did expect. thats why he dont want to have me in his campain, because of my CN playstyle i did not fit in.
Well, you got to the bottom of it. Good luck finding a different group.
I can tell you that when I started DMing, the idea of failing to predict my players scared the crap out of me. I was always trying to figure out how I would solve a situation, and then trying to think of two or three more ways, so I was prepared for several.
Over time I learned to stop that. I don't really even bother to make sure there IS a solution to a situation. As long as it's not something stupid like "you're in an anti-magic prison with no gear, and shackled in place", players will find a way.
Let your players drive the game. React to them. Everyone has the most fun that way.
So yeah, I stopped doing what your DM needs to do.
You showed a maturity the DM was definitely lacking when you asked about this. Others have given great advice in trying to find a different group to play with. The DM and that table were doing several things the wrong way to you. I only hope this does not sour you on Pathfinder.
a quick update, about that i cannot cast because of going to the temple, apperently in his first print Edition of the rules is a single line in the section about divine spellcasters which is like, all divine spell casters Need a god for their Magic, which apperntly overwrites all later mentions in the druid section -.-, unfortunatly i could not find it because the actual Version of the rules dont have that specific line he refered -.-. but he is like i dont like many of the updates and erratas(he never did allow me to use a single one of them)
i needed 2 session to find out why i cannot cast, and then another 4 session where i could not find out how to get them back, so in total 6, the only way i knew where to find another priest of the Lady and get the Atonement, but GM made clear i dont have Access to any of them within that 6 session, ok we meet one but the escort which did "look" after me, killed them after they did pass us.
Just tell your GM you went on a side quest and got Atoned and your spells are back.
IF you ever go back to that group.
:-O
i needed 2 session to find out why i cannot cast, and then another 4 session where i could not find out how to get them back, so in total 6, the only way i knew where to find another priest of the Lady and get the Atonement, but GM made clear i dont have Access to any of them within that 6 session, ok we meet one but the escort which did "look" after me, killed them after they did pass us.
So not only is your GM telling you that you need to figure out how to get your spellcasting back, but when you do, he actively prevents you from doing so?
Unless this is a fun/entertaining scenario for you and the rest of the players (and you asking for advice here suggests that it isn't fun for you), then this guy is just being a massive A-hole. How are the rest of the players reacting to all this? The suggestion that they attacked you at some point suggests that they're being jerks too...
The fact that you spoke to him and tried to resolve this tells me that you're trying to do the right thing to fit in with the group, but the GM is obviously just trying to drive you away, for whatever reason. If I were you, I wouldn't waste any more time with that group. Which i realise is easier said than done if gaming groups are scarce wherever you are...
Ouch. This sounds like a GM without a great deal of experience. Since you are new to the setting, to the group, and to the game, I consider it the responsibility of more experienced players and the GM to make sure you can make informed decisions. It seems to me like you were ambushed with a punishment that you the player were unfamiliar with. As a new player, your GM should have given you a warning.
Talk to the GM about this. You have the right to have at least an idea of what things will disable your character. Your character would have to be a great fool to single-handedly attack the temple of a rival god. Much better to feint friendship and then plot their deaths. Perhaps your deity will give you a second chance.
actually those 4 session where i did try to get my Magic back where not much fun for me, because of the following reasons.
1. Most of the Thing I did try to aplease my god did either made her more angry or made the Players i did Play with angry, i even got both ...
(like i did start overly praise her, how my godess is the strongest and she will destroy everything weak that new things can grow, very much like heimskr of skirim, that acctually made my godess more mad at me and the others Players said they will attack me and bind me with a gag to the next tree i prais her again -.- )
2. or the Things i do, i can not do because im to weak now.
(like we found some dire Wulfs, and I was like perfect i might can kill them in her Name, and destroy an abberation of nature that way, and that way my godess will be more aplease with me, unfortunaly did the fighter kill 2 of the dire wulf in a single round with her horse finishing of the last one, actually the stupid horse did more damage then me every turn in every fight, which made me feel very week -.- )
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Walk away from this GM... Seriously. He's a terrible GM and a bully. And I don't say that lightly.
Walk away from this GM... Seriously. He's a terrible GM and a bully. And I don't say that lightly.
I agree--try some play by post games here, instead. Just check out the recruitment forum.
As I said before, the GM is clearly doing this just to screw with the OP. He needs to find another group to play with. This is a GM and group clearly saying "We do not want to play with you" in actions instead of words.
yeah thanks for the help, i will move away from him now for sure, after i did try to to reason with him.
But he always changes to a Point of view, to make all my Actions look as the most dumb Thing ever done -.-
I know i have not done everything perfect, and did mistake but in his Point of view he implies that i know what all other Players will do in the future, and what all consequences of all Actions are.
I've had a couple of really terrible gaming groups, and the best choice of action is just leaving the group and never looking back. GMs who set you up for disaster and punish you for said disaster are terrible, and not giving them the reaction they want, mainly anger or sadness, is crucial if you can't or don't want to leave the group.