If an aasimar and a tiefling have a kid, what is it?

[Natan Linggod 327]

I had an idea for an interesting character but I realised have no idea what race it could be.

Would it be one or the other? Some kind of blend of the two? Something entirely different?

What are your thoughts?

[Umbral Reaver]

A human!

[Nox Aeterna]

Umbral Reaver wrote:

A human!

Personally i would decide based on what the tiefling and aasimar parents were.

Both tieflings and aasimars can be born of perfectly normal humans/elves... for example , they just need a ancestor that is an outsider.

Their kids could be either another tieflings/aasimar or belong to the race of their grandparents to me.

[DM_aka_Dudemeister]

I think human is the best choice, and I'd probably go with a crossblooded abyssal/celestial sorcerer.

[Darigaaz the Igniter]

probably human, assuming your standard run-if-the-mill aasimars and tieflings

[FranKc]

I would look at the the superduper crazy fan-made version of the reincarnation table and let the bones decide.

[Natan Linggod 327]

I did think human but two native outsiders having a mortal? Feels a bit off.
Is there a way for a human to get traits or something from teifling/aasimar?
Thought there was a thing for that but I cna't find it.

Re: the crossblooded, yeah that's pretty fitting but I was thinking of a Broodmaster Summoner with one celestial and one fiendish eidolon. Basically representatives of his/her two outsider ancestors, both trying to sway him/her to their side.

[lemeres]

A big wibbly wobbly tangle of mixy magicky things.

Aasimar?
Tiefling?
Human?
Gnome?
Half dragon celestial succubus?

Who knows. The first rule of magic (and outsiders are generally involved with that) is that there are few hard set rules. Stuff just happens, particularly when you throw random bits together.

[Natan Linggod 327]

Well yeah, that's the problem. That's why I asked for help in deciding which bits get thrown in.

I do want it to be rules legal, if necessary I'll use the race builder but I'd prefer to avoid the extra work. :P

[David knott 242]

I would consider a Peri-Blooded Aasimar as the offspring. Peris are supposed to be fallen angels, so you could say that you get the fallen part from the tiefling parent and the angel part from the aasimar parent.

[lemeres]

Roll on a table?

Roll for race (human might be unduly weighted- both parents have human ancestry, at least 75%, since 50% are for the half races), and then roll for bloodlines (which would only come up if the kid has a class which uses bloodlines) since that class feature is perfect for having minimal influence from some outsider ancestry.

So you could end up with a tiefling with the celestial bloodline, an aasimar with the abyssal bloodline, a tiefling with the abyssal bloodline (one side took dominance), or a human with any of those blood lines.

[Natan Linggod 327]

Hmm Peri aasimar does seem to fit. Won't need much changes flavour wise.

Nice, thank you.

Quick follow on question, is there a feat or something that lets me take traits from another race?

[David knott 242]

If you mean racial traits, no, there is no real way to do that. Alternate racial traits generally require replacement of standard racial traits, which only members of the proper race can do.

If you mean race traits, the Adopted social trait gives you access to a race trait of your choice.

If you just want to count as another race for the purpose of qualifying for a feat or other game mechanic that requires you to be human or some other race, there are alternate racial traits for aasimars and tieflings that let you qualify as human, and then you can take the Racial Heritage to qualify as yet another race.

[Natan Linggod 327]

Sweet. Thank you

[Doomed Hero]

...isn't this the plot of Diablo 3?

[I'm Hiding In Your Closet]

It wouldn't sound unreasonable for them to wind up a Chaotic (as opposed to celestial or fiendish) planetouched - I forget if Paizo has created any of those yet, though.

[Rhedyn]

I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:

It wouldn't sound unreasonable for them to wind up a Chaotic (as opposed to celestial or fiendish) planetouched - I forget if Paizo has created any of those yet, though.

one novel series I read speculated that the offspring of angels and demons were fey.

[Isonaroc]

Seeing as how the two races are mostly human, you'd get mostly humans. Using a very simplified genetic model that probably wouldn't work in real life, 25% would be regular humans, 25% would be aasimar, 25% would be tiefling, and 25% would be part aasimar/part tiefling. What exactly that last group would be is up for debate.

[Thalin]

50/25/25 would probably be the right thing; though if a GM wanted it as a storyarc where the blood mixed in a weird way it would be whatever makes the best story :).

[fearcypher]

Rhedyn wrote:

I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:

It wouldn't sound unreasonable for them to wind up a Chaotic (as opposed to celestial or fiendish) planetouched - I forget if Paizo has created any of those yet, though.

one novel series I read speculated that the offspring of angels and demons were fey.

Someones been reading the mortal instruments.

[Rhedyn]

fearcypher wrote:

Rhedyn wrote:

I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:

It wouldn't sound unreasonable for them to wind up a Chaotic (as opposed to celestial or fiendish) planetouched - I forget if Paizo has created any of those yet, though.

one novel series I read speculated that the offspring of angels and demons were fey.

Someones been reading the mortal instruments.

I have so many feelings about that series.

[fearcypher]

Rhedyn wrote:

fearcypher wrote:

Rhedyn wrote:

I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:

It wouldn't sound unreasonable for them to wind up a Chaotic (as opposed to celestial or fiendish) planetouched - I forget if Paizo has created any of those yet, though.

one novel series I read speculated that the offspring of angels and demons were fey.

Someones been reading the mortal instruments.

I have so many feelings about that series.

You know I've always wanted to do a Pathfinder game based around it with everybody as a ranger sans all the nature fluff and implementing a way of adding marks so they would have Shadowhunters. Although that's not a discussion for here as we are getting a bit off topic.

[Charon's Little Helper]

confused?

[HWalsh]

It'd be an Aasling! No a Tiefmar!

Nah... Probably Human.

Aasimar - 50% Angel 50% Human
Teifling - 50% Demon 50% Human

Child - 25% Angel 25% Demon 50% Human

So roll a percentile:
1-25% Aasimar
26-50% Teifling
51-100% Human

[Flame Effigy]

A very, very special snowflake.

[Isonaroc]

HWalsh wrote:

It'd be an Aasling! No a Tiefmar!

Nah... Probably Human.

Aasimar - 50% Angel 50% Human
Teifling - 50% Demon 50% Human

Child - 25% Angel 25% Demon 50% Human

So roll a percentile:
1-25% Aasimar
26-50% Teifling
51-100% Human

Aasimar and Tiefling are not half-celestials and half-fiends. There is no firm percentage of outsider parentage, but theoretically it could be a fraction of a percent.

[Luthorne]

Indeed. And some aasimar aren't even descended from a good-aligned outsider via heritage; sometimes celestials bless the unborn child of a virtuous couple, transforming them into an aasimar, or take pity on a devout infertile couple and grant them the power to have children, often resulting in aasimar. Rather than genetic (particularly since outsiders are made of quintessence, not a mortal body), one suspects that celestial energy is the deciding element.

So, overall, I imagine the child is most likely to be mortal, depending on their mortal heritage (human, half-elf, elf, orc, goblin, who knows), there's a chance it could be an aasimar if it inherits enough celestial power, a tiefling if it inherits enough fiendish power, and when the two are mixed...well, my pet theory is that the energies are generally incompatible (note that celestials or fiends who change alignment often become a unique form of outsider), and that such a co-mingling might have the energies cancel each other out, resulting in a normal child, have them interact inimically, resulting in the child spontaneously aborting, or - via a concept I've been playing with - force the developing embryo to split into two, resulting in biologically identical twins, one an aasimar, one a tiefling, who nevertheless develop differently thanks to the celestial and fiendish power residing in both. Or you could go with something unique...mosaicism or chimerism, which can result in some interesting (source) results.

Of course, the correct answer is, whatever your DM thinks should be the case, I suppose...

[SheepishEidolon]

Blood of Fiends wrote:

Tieflings are fecund, and their unions frequently produce children. Two tieflings are quite likely to produce tiefling children, though this is not always the case — fiendish blood works in mysterious ways, and few creatures are more conflicted and confused than a seemingly normal child born into a tiefling enclave.

Assuming it's the same for a couple of Aasimars and finally for a couple of a Tiefling and an Aasimar, the 50 25 25 rule seems ok. Psychological implications could be huge:

'Who am I?'
'Why do I have to be that different from people around me?'
'Why did my parents do that to me?'
'Why are people that wary about me?'
'Why do some people only see me as riddle to analyze, not as a person?'

Probably the character would simply strive for balance after some struggling. And he / she would search for a place where people are judged by deeds, not by heritage. Pretty much like a tiefling might do.

But I admit I would be tempted to create some new race, together with the player. And of course, some groups would be very interested in this individual. Including daemons - who always enjoy special souls...

[My Self]

Maybe it would be more like roll 1d20 to see if you have Aasimar blood: 20 is yes, 1-19 is no. Roll 1d20 to see if you have Tiefling blood. 20 is yes, 1-19 is no. If you roll two natural 20s, go to the ARG and start mixing and matching.

[Set]

Do you want warp speed? 'Cause I think that's how you hit warp speed.

[Kayden Lutren]

Wouldn't it be a form of Nephalem? It's a breed of humanoid that comes from the mixing of a celestial source and a demonic source. You could come up with some fancy name for it, but I like the idea of it looking fairly human.

[Blackvial]

I would say that there is a chance for it to be either human, assimar, or teifling

[Luthorne]

Yorick Sofer wrote:

Wouldn't it be a form of Nephalem? It's a breed of humanoid that comes from the mixing of a celestial source and a demonic source. You could come up with some fancy name for it, but I like the idea of it looking fairly human.

Nephilim already exist, though. Also, traditionally, nephilim were not the offspring of a celestial source and a demonic source, but usually the results of angels reproducing with men, possibly fallen angels, though some have argued the 'Sons of God' referred to Cain's offspring, biblically. Still, this hasn't reflected itself in popular culture, which prefers angel-human hybrids, though there are a few video games that have them as angel-demon hybrids; most notably, the Diablo series, Devil May Cry, Darksiders, and, I believe, Champions Online. But it's still a pretty new and niche interpretation...

[Kayden Lutren]

Luthorne wrote:

Yorick Sofer wrote:

Wouldn't it be a form of Nephalem? It's a breed of humanoid that comes from the mixing of a celestial source and a demonic source. You could come up with some fancy name for it, but I like the idea of it looking fairly human.

Nephilim already exist, though. Also, traditionally, nephilim were not the offspring of a celestial source and a demonic source, but usually the results of angels reproducing with men, possibly fallen angels, though some have argued the 'Sons of God' referred to Cain's offspring, biblically. Still, this hasn't reflected itself in popular culture, which prefers angel-human hybrids, though there are a few video games that have them as angel-demon hybrids; most notably, the Diablo series, Devil May Cry, Darksiders, and, I believe, Champions Online. But it's still a pretty new and niche interpretation...

Right, NephILIM. But there is also a completely different creature of the same pronunciation but different spelling of NephALEM. I know most just consider them the same thing, but I've always considered the two of very different nature.

Though I see where you are coming from, it is a very pop culture created thing. I just thought I'd offer it up as a suggestion.

[Entryhazard]

I remember something about that

Basically the offspring is either Tiefling or Aasimar but with the capability of siring the other.

For example a Tiefling and an Aasimar can have an Aasimar child, and this one can then "mate" with another Aasimar or Human and the resulting children can be Tieflings

[Grey Lensman]

Blackvial wrote:

I would say that there is a chance for it to be either human, assimar, or teifling

This, and the possibility of Aasimar (Peri) are the answers I like best.

[GreyWolfLord]

A human that smells like brimstone and roses both at the same time!

[Michael Riter]

Make a Punnett Square! That way you could determine where the outsider and where the human genes go!

Human Celestial
Human HH HC
Infernal HI IC

Assuming that the outsider gene is dominant, you have a 25% chance to make a pure human, 25% chance to make a tiefling, a 25% chance to make an aasimar... and a 25% chance to make one very confused celestial/infernal mix (which may be its own race... or a crossblooded human sorcerer)

[RJGrady]

I say, tiefling Celestial sorcerer. With a katana.

[My Self]

Michael Riter wrote:

Make a Punnett Square! That way you could determine where the outsider and where the human genes go!

Human Celestial
Human HH HC
Infernal HI IC

Assuming that the outsider gene is dominant, you have a 25% chance to make a pure human, 25% chance to make a tiefling, a 25% chance to make an aasimar... and a 25% chance to make one very confused celestial/infernal mix (which may be its own race... or a crossblooded human sorcerer)

But the outsider gene isn't dominant. It's probably not a single gene, either, considering that it can go a bunch of generations before manifesting. In the first generation, it's half-fiend or half-celestial.

[Isonaroc]

Michael Riter wrote:

Make a Punnett Square! That way you could determine where the outsider and where the human genes go!

Human Celestial
Human HH HC
Infernal HI IC

Assuming that the outsider gene is dominant, you have a 25% chance to make a pure human, 25% chance to make a tiefling, a 25% chance to make an aasimar... and a 25% chance to make one very confused celestial/infernal mix (which may be its own race... or a crossblooded human sorcerer)

I already did that. Jeez...

[lemeres]

RJGrady wrote:

I say, tiefling Celestial sorcerer. With a katana.

Not enough half dragon-ness with a cursed eye (which has a power magical being sealed in it) who is destined to save the world.

Also, the katana needs to glow. Obviously.

[Barathos]

lemeres wrote:

RJGrady wrote:

I say, tiefling Celestial sorcerer. With a katana.

Not enough half dragon-ness with a cursed eye (which has a power magical being sealed in it) who is destined to save the world.

Also, the katana needs to glow. Obviously.

All katanas glow from their keen edge cutting atoms in half /s

[Charon's Little Helper]

lemeres wrote:

RJGrady wrote:

I say, tiefling Celestial sorcerer. With a katana.

Not enough half dragon-ness with a cursed eye (which has a power magical being sealed in it) who is destined to save the world.

Also, the katana needs to glow. Obviously.

To save the world... or destroy it!

Ba bu badudmumumumum. (set to old-timey piano)

[Natan Linggod 327]

Well this went in different but very interesting directions. Cool!
Keep it going! I'm getting great ideas for NPCs and potential scenes already.

Btw I've decided to go with Peri-blooded Aasimar with Scion of Humanity trait.

I was going to take Racial Heritage then I realised tieflings aren't humanoids so don't count for the feat.

[Grey Lensman]

Charon's Little Helper wrote:

lemeres wrote:

RJGrady wrote:

I say, tiefling Celestial sorcerer. With a katana.

Not enough half dragon-ness with a cursed eye (which has a power magical being sealed in it) who is destined to save the world.

Also, the katana needs to glow. Obviously.

To save the world... or destroy it!

Ba bu badudmumumumum. (set to old-timey piano)

Or maybe the name of my favorite badge in the old City of Heroes game....

Saved The World....For Later

Why would a villain save the world? Because it was some other villain taking it over this time!

[ZZTRaider]

Natan Linggod 327 wrote:

Well this went in different but very interesting directions. Cool!

Keep it going! I'm getting great ideas for NPCs and potential scenes already.

Btw I've decided to go with Peri-blooded Aasimar with Scion of Humanity trait.

I was going to take Racial Heritage then I realised tieflings aren't humanoids so don't count for the feat.

Well, if you're the GM and this is for a NPC, I wouldn't let little things like that stop you. If it makes sense for the NPC to have both Aasimar and Tiefling feats or traits, just do it. Something like that isn't going to be unbalancing to the point of even needing to adjust the creature's CR (if it even came to combat in game).

[Charon's Little Helper]

Grey Lensman wrote:

Or maybe the name of my favorite badge in the old City of Heroes game....

Saved The World....For Later

Why would a villain save the world? Because it was some other villain taking it over this time!

Yeah - I remember in the Darth Bane books - the Sith actually worked behind the scenes to keep The Republic from fracturing. Why? Because it'd be easier to take over the galaxy if it was all in one big piece!

[Mechagamera]

I am pretty sure that is how aeons are created.