If an aasimar and a tiefling have a kid, what is it?


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It would depend on the dominate gene, so most likely either a Tiefling or Human with black eyes.

I have a character (Uh Oh) who is the product of an Half-Orc (Grog) and a Mongralman (Oomph). She has a pig's snout as a nose, big hands and upper chest, one foot is bigger than the other (she has to buy two pairs of shoes to make a set), one ear is pointed and the other has fur on it and flops over, and her right thumb has no fingernail.

It is amusing to see the reaction to the character introduction.

Sczarni

The fluff for tieflings and aasimars both say that the outsider's influence can come from several generations down the line, so both celestial and fiendish heritage can "lie dormant" for several generations. Thus, there's a good likelihood that the child will be a regular human/elf/whatever... but his or her descendants could produce both tieflings and aasimars.

Thus, eighty or ninety years later, a humble farmer's wife has twins-- one angelic and one demonic, and nobody knows why because Great-Grandpa just passed away last year and can't tell them that the children got it from his parents.


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If an aasimar and a tiefling have a kid, what is it?

...Confused?

Scarab Sages

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Charon's Little Helper wrote:
confused?

You won't be...after this week's episode of SOAP!


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Ok, the thing to keep in mind is that Outsider heritage doesn't "really" follow the normal rules of genetics. It isn't about "recessive" and "dominant" traits.

1st generation) Human + Angel -> Half-Celestial Human
2nd generation) Half-Celestial Human + Human -> Human
...
xxth generation) Human + Human -> Aasimar

What is happening here is that the original Angel contributed an "attached energy signature" that is kind of latched onto the side of the genetic material and dormant by the 2nd generation. Now, sometimes, this "energy signature" will partially activate and yield a Human with a Celestial sorcerer bloodline. Other times, it will fully activate and re-write the whole genetic code to make an Aasimar. It isn't a matter of a "recessive celestial" trait being inherited from both parents; that little add-on celestial energy suddenly sparks in some generation several, several generations down the line from the original Angel progenitor and totally re-writes the child such that they, really, aren't Human anymore.

So, what, thematically, would happen if these contrary energies of fiend and celestial find themselves passed into the same individual? Well, either 1) they cancel each other out and that offspring's descendants won't ever manifest neither Aasimar nor Tiefling, 2) they both are carried down and the descendants might manifest either or, 3) a new race since this is outsider + outsider mating rather than outsider + humanoid, 4) the first generation is guaranteed to be a cross-blooded sorcerer and maybe even some additional bonuses for the influence being so recent, or 5) the dual Outsider heritage re-kindles the outsider energies of both sides to full effect such that the offspring gets both Half-Angel and Half-Fiend templates and automatically get the Mythic Beyond Morality path ability.


Aasimar Infernal blooded sorcerer.


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If an aasimar and a tiefling have a kid, what is it?

Takes a long drag on his cigarette.

Looks off into the distance.

Squint eyes.

"A baby."

Blows smoke out and flicks cigarette.


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If an aasimar and a tiefling have a kid, what is it?

Takes a long drag on his cigarette.

Looks off into the distance.

Squint eyes.

"A baby."

Blows smoke out and flicks cigarette.

*puts on sunglasses*

YEEEEEEAAAAAHHH~!]


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They might not be able to reproduce with each other.

Or it might be a human.

I would roll percentile.

1-50% human
51-75% tiefling
76-99% aasimar
100% gnome


Protean. This is the only possible result of the breeding of creatures with both Good and Evil aligned outsider blood.


Gnomes. Classic, I'm telling you. :D

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Luthorne wrote:
Yorick Sofer wrote:
Wouldn't it be a form of Nephalem? It's a breed of humanoid that comes from the mixing of a celestial source and a demonic source. You could come up with some fancy name for it, but I like the idea of it looking fairly human.
Nephilim already exist, though. Also, traditionally, nephilim were not the offspring of a celestial source and a demonic source, but usually the results of angels reproducing with men, possibly fallen angels, though some have argued the 'Sons of God' referred to Cain's offspring, biblically. Still, this hasn't reflected itself in popular culture, which prefers angel-human hybrids, though there are a few video games that have them as angel-demon hybrids; most notably, the Diablo series, Devil May Cry, Darksiders, and, I believe, Champions Online. But it's still a pretty new and niche interpretation...

In the source he's drawing from, Diablo 3, Nephalem is the correct spelling and pronunciation.

Curiously there was paper and dice game called Nephilim which are ancient spirits that possess humans in order to continue their path towards enlightnment. And no, it is not a benevolent posession.


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LazarX wrote:
Curiously there was paper and dice game called Nephilim which are ancient spirits that possess humans in order to continue their path towards enlightnment. And no, it is not a benevolent posession.

Curiously, that, in itself, has roots in the Biblical mythos of the Nephilim. In the Apocryphal depictions of Genesis (iirc, Book of Enoch), the reason for the Great Flood wasn't so much the wickedness of Man, but the presence of Nephilim. The Flood was intended to wipe the slate clean of Angel intermingling because the Earth was intended to be for Humans only. But the Nephilim had very strong spirits so, even though their bodies were killed, their souls remained on Earth. This is the backstory to Demons and demonic possession; Demons are the disembodies spirits of Nephilim and need to possess a living body to interact with the world. By contrast, devils and angels can "trans-substantiate", that is, they can construct a physical body all on their own. This is why you have "demonic" possession, but no "devilish" possession; a devil doesn't need to "borrow" a physical form.


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kyrt-ryder wrote:
Protean. This is the only possible result of the breeding of creatures with both Good and Evil aligned outsider blood.

Not good, my aasimar paladin married Arueshalae.

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Snowlilly wrote:
kyrt-ryder wrote:
Protean. This is the only possible result of the breeding of creatures with both Good and Evil aligned outsider blood.
Not good, my aasimar paladin married Arueshalae.

Consider adoption. The Worldwound has plenty of orphans.


kyrt-ryder wrote:
Protean. This is the only possible result of the breeding of creatures with both Good and Evil aligned outsider blood.

Kyrt, you sneaky ninja!

My post was supposed to read like this:

alexd1976 wrote:

They might not be able to reproduce with each other.

Or it might be a human.

I would roll percentile.

1-50% human
51-75% tiefling
76-99% aasimar
100% gnome

Tacticslion wrote:
Gnomes. Classic, I'm telling you. :D

Sigh. Alas for misspent youth time on the forums.

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Snowlilly wrote:
kyrt-ryder wrote:
Protean. This is the only possible result of the breeding of creatures with both Good and Evil aligned outsider blood.
Not good, my aasimar paladin married Arueshalae.

She told my friend's aasimar oracle that she wanted to be "just friends".

Liberty's Edge

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LazarX wrote:
Snowlilly wrote:
kyrt-ryder wrote:
Protean. This is the only possible result of the breeding of creatures with both Good and Evil aligned outsider blood.
Not good, my aasimar paladin married Arueshalae.
Consider adoption. The Worldwound has plenty of orphans.

What the violin's wrong with Proteans?!?

*crashes baby shower, brings shoggoth egg as gift*


Natan Linggod 327 wrote:

I had an idea for an interesting character but I realised have no idea what race it could be.

Would it be one or the other? Some kind of blend of the two? Something entirely different?

What are your thoughts?

I have an alternate proposal: nothing.

I'd say they are just simply incompatible. A tiefling and an aasimar can't have children together.

If evil and good outsiders could have offspring together, you would expect there to be a lot out there. So I'd just rule they aren't compatible and can't have viable children together.


I took inspiration from this thread and created my own character from this. Both aasimar and tiefling bloodlines can lie dormant for generations until they pop up, so they must be very regressive genes, thus they might go dormant again. There was a tiefling rogue father and an aasimar cleric mother, so the child they had was a human sorcerer with the celestial/infernal bloodlines. Blond hair with dark brown eyes that look a bit red when the light hits them a certain way, and a couple of bump on his head past the hairline where horns could be. He uses his roguish charms to find ways to make money, but sometimes he finds out that he's been played or that his payday might have consequences to innocents, so he has a crisis of conscience a la Malcolm Reynolds. Basically he likes getting things, but his mother taught him to treat people right.

His name is Verancius Desnason, using his mother's name because his father had unknowingly broke a hellborn contract with a client, and so the family is on the run. His father split off so that they would attract less attention, though Verancius still looks for him.

He's worked out pretty well so far, even in the Emerald Spire. He's fire magic missiles in a bandit's face, and THEN managed to charm him into letting them through. He's become the face of the party, which isn't difficult considering that it's mostly comprised of dwarves. Love playing him so far.


Either a human, a tiefling, or an aasimar, depending on the story I wanted to tell as the GM.

If one of the parents is a PC, I'd have an out-of-game discussion with the player to find out what kind of story she wants to tell. I would then weave the player's answer into my decision.


I'd question the genetic compatability, since they have different subtypes. So my initial answer is to say the question is moot.

Otherwise, my general default is 'the same species as the mother'.


Zhayne wrote:

I'd question the genetic compatability, since they have different subtypes. So my initial answer is to say the question is moot.

Otherwise, my general default is 'the same species as the mother'.

I'm not sure if genetic compatibility applies with creatures that can breed with nearly anything. Not to mention that in some worlds the demon/devil origin starts with fallen angels.

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Natan Linggod 327 wrote:

I had an idea for an interesting character but I realised have no idea what race it could be.

Would it be one or the other? Some kind of blend of the two? Something entirely different?

What are your thoughts?

Whatever works best for the story you want to tell.

If it were my story, the child would be a humanoid race appropriate for the parents (probably human) and have class levels in either crossblooded sorcerer or crossblooded bloodrager with the Abyssal / Celestial combinations.

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Kazaan wrote:

Ok, the thing to keep in mind is that Outsider heritage doesn't "really" follow the normal rules of genetics. It isn't about "recessive" and "dominant" traits.

1st generation) Human + Angel -> Half-Celestial Human
2nd generation) Half-Celestial Human + Human -> Human
...
xxth generation) Human + Human -> Aasimar

What is happening here is that the original Angel contributed an "attached energy signature" that is kind of latched onto the side of the genetic material and dormant by the 2nd generation. Now, sometimes, this "energy signature" will partially activate and yield a Human with a Celestial sorcerer bloodline. Other times, it will fully activate and re-write the whole genetic code to make an Aasimar. It isn't a matter of a "recessive celestial" trait being inherited from both parents; that little add-on celestial energy suddenly sparks in some generation several, several generations down the line from the original Angel progenitor and totally re-writes the child such that they, really, aren't Human anymore.

So, what, thematically, would happen if these contrary energies of fiend and celestial find themselves passed into the same individual? Well, either 1) they cancel each other out and that offspring's descendants won't ever manifest neither Aasimar nor Tiefling, 2) they both are carried down and the descendants might manifest either or, 3) a new race since this is outsider + outsider mating rather than outsider + humanoid, 4) the first generation is guaranteed to be a cross-blooded sorcerer and maybe even some additional bonuses for the influence being so recent, or 5) the dual Outsider heritage re-kindles the outsider energies of both sides to full effect such that the offspring gets both Half-Angel and Half-Fiend templates and automatically get the Mythic Beyond Morality path ability.

The number of catgirls killed by this single post is simply epic.


Zhayne wrote:

I'd question the genetic compatability, since they have different subtypes. So my initial answer is to say the question is moot.

Otherwise, my general default is 'the same species as the mother'.

But tieflings and aasimar have the exact same type and subtype. They're both native outsiders. They don't have alignment subtypes.


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Little Nicky


Grey Lensman wrote:
Zhayne wrote:

I'd question the genetic compatability, since they have different subtypes. So my initial answer is to say the question is moot.

Otherwise, my general default is 'the same species as the mother'.

I'm not sure if genetic compatibility applies with creatures that can breed with nearly anything. Not to mention that in some worlds the demon/devil origin starts with fallen angels.

More specifically, in the Pathfinder Campaign Setting, Erinyes are often made from fallen Angels, although they can also be made from the souls of fallen Good mortals. Although it is strange that the other Lower Planes don't have their own equivalents of this.


The best answer is probably 'whatever the GM and player can agree upon making a good story.' It's a magical world, with magical creatures that can often breed with completely incompatible species, so I wouldn't get too hung up on the details as long as they are somewhat plausible.


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Little Nicky

I was upstairs about an hour ago, and I suddenly thought, "Oh, no! I think I forgot to make a Little Nicky joke in that one thread!"

So, thank you.

But stay out of my mind.


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It'd be an Aasling! No a Tiefmar!

Nah... Probably Human.

Those would be excellent jibes to insult the character's lineage.

Perhaps the character could be human in all respects, and the aasimar and tiefling traits only express themselves under specific conditions (such as being on certain outer planes or being exposed to effects with specific keywords like Good, Evil, Chaotic, Lawful.)

One possibility is to borrow the Elf-Quest Two-Edge storyline with the character trying to decide what part of their lineage to self-identify with.


Natan Linggod 327 wrote:
If an aasimar and a tiefling have a kid, what is it?

An abomination.


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Actually just realized that if an Aasimar and a Tiefling had a Kid, that would be one REALLY confused baby goat . . . .

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Autoduelist wrote:

Perhaps the character could be human in all respects, and the aasimar and tiefling traits only express themselves under specific conditions (such as being on certain outer planes or being exposed to effects with specific keywords like Good, Evil, Chaotic, Lawful.)

One possibility is to borrow the Elf-Quest Two-Edge storyline with the character trying to decide what part of their lineage to self-identify with.

Hmm. Perhaps their self-identification would actually influence the presentation of their racial traits? If the character is feeling particularly benevolent they manifest some minor celestial trait, and if they are tempted into evil they manifest a fiendish one? Perhaps if they ever settle in their mind which they truly identify with more they permanently become either an aasimar or a tiefling.


An aasling, duh!


A fling.

Grand Lodge

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Farting around with the race builder I didn't get something I was particularly happy with, or legal, but for around 13 RP you could do:
+2 to any one ability score
Fiendish/Celestial resistance (Resist fire/acid/cold/electricity 5)
Skilled (1 bonus skill point per level)
Native Outsider Subtype (includes Darkvision)
And speaks one of its parents languages (celestial/infernal)

The trick is that the flexible ability score is only available to humanoid subtypes creates and the resistances are only available to the outsiders. So there is some fudging there. The resistances are overlapping so I wouldn't really consider them worth a total of 6 RP, probably more like 4, and I would be inclined to give the other parents language as a freebie. The rational on the skilled is that Aasimar, tieflings and humans all get some sort of skill bonus, so this honours that while leaving it flexible.


Geistlinger wrote:
Little Nicky

Yeah, I got that response at the gaming table too.


lemeres wrote:

A big wibbly wobbly tangle of mixy magicky things.

Aasimar?
Tiefling?
Human?
Gnome?
Half dragon celestial succubus?

Who knows. The first rule of magic (and outsiders are generally involved with that) is that there are few hard set rules. Stuff just happens, particularly when you throw random bits together.

"It's a big ball of wibbly wobbly mixy magicky..stuff yea it sort of got away from me."

Dark Archive

They get a baby I would guess.

Dark Archive

isn't this at least near identical to the plot of infernal devices where her mother was a nephilum (human with angelic blood)who was tricked into mating with a demon?


Nigrescence wrote:
Natan Linggod 327 wrote:
If an aasimar and a tiefling have a kid, what is it?
An abomination.

Really? Ouch!

ETA:

More seriously, IMO the vast majority of offspring from such a union would be humans, with a small fraction being assimar or tieflings, and a smaller fraction being some kind of weird mix. OTOH, the vast majority of PCs would be from the weirder ends of the scale...

_
glass.


As a parent I can answer this .
My kids are part Aasimar as they are Angels at time and at other time they where most certainly Tiefling as they behave like Demons.
They got this from their Mother who most the time is an Aasimar, but can turn into a Tiefling.

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