Permanently Become an Ancient+ Dragon?


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Bit of a weird question, but I'm just sort of researching things for wizards. Is there any spell that can make you into a dragon of larger than huge size, permanently? I've been playing around with polymorph any object, but with permanent enlarge person on, I can still only permanently make myself a young dragon of large size. Form of the Dragon III is great, especially extended, but my wizard wants ultimate power, physically and mentally. Any tips? Thanks!


For what it's worth, you can't stack enlarge person with other size changing spells.

Enlarge Person wrote:
Multiple magical effects that increase size do not stack.

Also

Polymorph wrote:
You can only be affected by one polymorph spell at a time. If a new polymorph spell is cast on you (or you activate a polymorph effect, such as wild shape), you can decide whether or not to allow it to affect you, taking the place of the old spell. In addition, other spells that change your size have no effect on you while you are under the effects of a polymorph spell.


I really don't think so, though my spell knowledge is far from encyclopedic. For my game, I'd make it a big ritual requiring quite a lot of work to pull off. It could motivate levels worth of adventuring to track down components and lore.


Enlarge Person isn't polymorph. The size stacking issue makes me wonder though: If I am naturally medium size and have enlarge person and alter self of a small size creature active. What happens? Am I small, medium or large? Do I get a +2 size bonus to strength and dexterity?


Talk to your GM about inventing a (9th level, very expensive) spell to permanently transfigure yourself. Kind of like the ritual to become a lich, except more claws and breath weapons. Inventing new spells is in the rulebook, after all. XD


This may also be within the bounds of a wish spell, but expect such a powerful wish to be very twisted by a GM.


Multiple casting of exteded shapechange would cover it. An 18th level sorcerer with a greater rod of extend would be able to make each casting of extended shapechange last 6 hours, and be able to cast it at least 3 times a day to last a total of 18 hours each day - which should cover all your waking hours.


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You are talking shenanigans from 2nd edition D&D, there was a spell from Tome of Magic that specifically changes the age category of dragons.

Nothing specific from Pathfinder, unless wish or miracle is judged to be within "acceptable limits". In other words, you could try wish or miracle, yet its a risk that it won't work.


Not exactly turning into but successfully using Parasitic Soul on an Ancient+ Dragon (with your soul, that part could be tricky) would work. It's even better since you actually *are* an Ancient+ Dragon, at least physically.


Polymorph any object (is that still a thing? ) into a dragon that would match for permanent, then wait a long time?

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I suppose I could just polymorph myself into a Colossal Dragon for a week at a time.


Repeat castings of Magic Jar should allow you to steal a dragon's body indefinitely. You'll be fairly bad at using it, having no breath weapon or racial spellcasting, but you'll have it.

Just watch out for anyone throwing around dispel magic unless you keep your body nearby at all times.

As to how you repeatedly get an ancient dragon to fail will saves? I'd suggest stat drain.

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