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A Wayang Witch with a Mauler Familiar would be pretty perfect for this.
That's a reasonable house rule, but the printed rule only forbids full attacks, not taking a separate move and standard action.
That's a reasonable house rule, but the printed rule only forbids full attacks, not taking a separate move and standard action.I see what you mean. That's exactly what the text says. It sucks that casters get to make all their actions at the end of the move, but a full attack after a move requires a high level feat.
Yet again I think martials would benefit greatly from having Full Attack be a standard action.
Casters can cast spells that scale as they level, why can't martials attack in a way that scales as they level?
As it is now, a 1st level fighter can move up to his speed and retain maximum effectiveness attacking, but a level 20 fighter looses tons of effectiveness the moment he moves more than 5 feet.
But that's a discussion for another thread, I suppose.
Indeed, I think mount rules need a rewrite. And not just because of this issue, but it is an issue that should be clarified.
Conceptual, the loss of full attack is because you must move to the target. But it means that any move action you take should occur someone in the middle of the mounts movement, which as Korlos mentions should logical prevent a witch from cackling to increase duration. But it doesn't.
If the target runs 30ft away from the witch does the hex end, or does the distance requirement only apply when the witch tries to apply the hex in the first place (or use again in the case of cackle)?
I'm pretty sure an archer can still full attack and move from horseback. He just eats a lot of penalties.
Note that handling an animal is a move action for most characters (under the handle animal skill)
-edit also see the mounted skirmisher feat, under its normal entry it says if you move more than 5 feet on a mount you can only take a standard action (mounts full move with the feat)
Note that handling an animal is a move action for most characters (under the handle animal skill)
-edit also see the mounted skirmisher feat, under its normal entry it says if you move more than 5 feet on a mount you can only take a standard action (mounts full move with the feat)
But controlling the creature you ride uses the Ride skill, spending the kind of action the Ride skill requires you to take. Not Handle Animal. Ride.
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I'm pretty sure an archer can still full attack and move from horseback. He just eats a lot of penalties.
Sort of. The archer can full attack, and only takes any penalties if the mount moves twice (converting the standard to a move) or runs. And even then the penalties aren't that bad. I think double move is a -2 and run is a -8, but I could be remembering wrong.
But it does state that use the midpoint of the movement to determine where the arrows are fired from. Implying that even though this full round action is allowed, the movement does affect it (for the purposes of determining cover, etc.)
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Conceptual, the loss of full attack is because you must move to the target. But it means that any move action you take should occur someone in the middle of the mounts movement, which as Korlos mentions should logical prevent a witch from cackling to increase duration. But it doesn't.
One could argue that they're cackling WHILE the mount is moving - so it doesn't take up extra time.
One could argue that they're cackling WHILE the mount is moving - so it doesn't take up extra time.Conceptual, the loss of full attack is because you must move to the target. But it means that any move action you take should occur someone in the middle of the mounts movement, which as Korlos mentions should logical prevent a witch from cackling to increase duration. But it doesn't.
Right, but the argument was that the cackle should occur somewhere in the middle of the movement, which could be outside the limited 30ft range of many hexes, including cackle.
It's more like players of martial characters are heavily annoyed by it because they lose the ability to make full attacks and their combat capability decreases. Meanwhile, the spell caster (who already can do a lot more than the martial) magically benefits from being able to be moved and not suffer any diminishing of their combat abilities for doing so.
It's just super annoying.
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Um mounted charge is not that bad, either.
Playing a ranged fighter who doesn't need to get into the "I'll squish you" distance is cool as well.
Mount was my third option after trying to find a way to increase range, or being useful w/o standard+move in the first round.
But that's the main problem with the witch. Not so many different options, and if they don't work the first time, you're done. Evil eye requires you to cackle afterwards or it might be wasted, and since the class basically relies on the first debuff to work, that's quite important :(
Also, cackle ensures the witch is basically a sitting duck.
With some bad luck (say the BBEG has a good ini) I ride in range and get smushed the as soon as it's his turn.
Hm.
So maybe I should buff round one, ride into battle and debuff in r2, debuff in r3 then try to actually do something in r3.
That's the thing - Chances are I'll spend two rounds lowering the throws of the bad guys before actually "helping" unless the other members of the team also use abilities that require saves.
I know it sounds pretty awesome to be able to ride into battle and then "do something" - but in PFS, the first few rounds do count a lot, and I am not really helping there unless I have the mount.
