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I GM home PFS games with some friends and play on occasion, never missing playing as a PC at Gen Con.
Recently, a player asked me if he wanted me to buy anything for my gunslinger. I can say I've never had a player ask me that as a GM or as a player. Essentially, he wanted to buy a bunch of scrolls of mending in case my gun broke.
In many games as a player, my cleric has been given Wands of Cure x during gameplay in which to use on others. The GM never blinked an eye. But then I thought of something else.
Sure, my ally PC could buy a bunch of scrolls of mending and use on me, but what if he wanted to buy a magical item that would clearly only benefit my gunslinger?
Would that be bending the rules a bit? As a GM, that type of thing makes me a bit uncomfortable so I am asking on those grounds.
Are players allowed to "give" other PCs at the table any magical items they have for use in the game (of course, items must be given back after scenario is complete)? Does this then allow the bypassing of the rules for purchase limits? For instance, if a higher level fellow purchased an item the lower level fellow would not be able to, then lets the lower level fellow use it in scenario.
Comments welcome.
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I have a high level gunslinger/paladin who has a +1 double-barreled musket that she doesn't use. She chambers one barrel with an adamantine bullet and the other with a cold-iron bullet.
At the beginning of every scenario she hands that off to someone at the table (you would be surprised how many high-level melee types still don't carry a ranged weapon just in case they are unable to close with their enemies).
I remind them that they will take a –4 penalty for not being proficient with firearms, but they are still targeting touch AC, so it is still probably better than a crossbow.
It has only needed to be fired once so far, but it was useful.
I have seen an alchemist hand out alchemical items to everyone at the table at the beginning of the scenario. That was certainly appreciated.
Oh, I bought a small lot of +1 holy arrows off of a chronicle. That character hasn't given them away yet, but they are there for when he adventures with an archer who wants them.
I have a master-of-disguise character that will probably pick up some extra hats of disguise for her fellow party members.
I also do this fairly often with decent level characters. Pick up stuff I dont/cant use just to make others better.
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It goes back to you at the end of the session.
If you keep playing together he can keep handing it to you.
There's nothing wrong with handing people items. One of my druids has a collar of obedience that she routinely puts on fighters to up their will saves. Usually the shifting nature of parties keeps this from being abusable.
As a standard operating procedure for a group that works together its .. a bit of a loophole but legal.
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I also do this fairly often with decent level characters. Pick up stuff I dont/cant use just to make others better.
I know this was a very common practice in LG, back in the day. Anyone who got access tried to buy 6 Belts of Healing, so everyone in the party could borrow one if they didn't have access themselves.
IMO, as long as they aren't crippling their PC, it isn't usually a big deal. You might have access a few games before you normally would, but it cuts into the other PC's "consumables" fund. At some point, once you can afford it (Fame & gp-wise) yourself, you should probably pick it up, and let them sell back theirs to get some of their money back for their own PC.
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....I have seen an alchemist hand out alchemical items to everyone at the table at the beginning of the scenario. That was certainly appreciated.
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Have you adventured with me then?
I (with several of my alchemist PCs) hand out business cards with a list of items on them, with spots to check off the items as they are used. Players that game with me have started calling them "party favors". Players give me them back at games end and I have a list of what got used.
Just before starting a "crawl", I'll instruct everyone to pull the med pack (not the grenade pack, the other card) and "drink the first three, and smear the last two over your body." This leads to the expected comments about "lube" and "oiling up" etc.
But every now and again, it means I get to point out "hay T.S., did you count the +5 alchemical bonus on that save?"... Sometimes it saves lives...
And I get to call everyone by the same first name..."T.S., for Test Subject"
;-)
Venture-Captain, Germany—Bavaria
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I heard another player complaining that his rogue never gets to play in a stealthy party. There's always some lummox in heavy armor. I suggested he invest in a wand of invisibility to use on other PCs. It will take the full-plate fighter's Stealth modifier from –5 to +15. [/QUOTE
Providing the armored guy with mage armor helps, personally I am usually not married to my armor, but the rogue player actually has to suggest the tactic.
That said, even with the buff you mentioned, some monsters will always detect anyone without a great stealth modifier.
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My wife and I each have several characters who have multiple cracked magenta prism and cracked vibrant purple prism ioun stones that we pass out pretty freely. "Here, let me retune this and give you a +2 competence bonus on that skill." "Let me cast Shield into this stone, then you can cast it onto yourself when you need it."
My halfling Liberty's Edge cleric keeps a hat of disguise in his pack to help get people in or out of places unnoticed.
So yeah, I see nothing wrong with buying things with the intent that other people use them.
My wizard had an incident where a pregen gunslinger refused to shoot at the bad guy because there was a 50% miss chance and he didn't want ot waste bullets. After that I always carried a pouch of bullets just in case someone was worried their bullets were worth more than my life.
It is the gun powder that is the real expense at 10gp or for the gunslinger 1gp and then 1sp for the bullet. Why you would care about a prege's gold is beyond me.
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My wife and I each made a character a month or so ago and I had about 5g shy of the gear I wanted. My wife was just like "I've got like 100 left over so I'll just buy it and hand it to you".
The stuff I wanted was mostly essential.. I think it was armor, shield, weapon, military saddle, training harness, and lance. Sure I could have dropped something (like the training harness), but why? Especially when there were more than enough resources to accommodate it (as in my wife's character had spare resources).
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With a pregen, it wouldn't matter with regards to treasure, the consumables are tied to the pregen. Maybe he was afraid of running out?
If it was the level one pregen, they only have 15 shots. Of which only 5 can be loaded as a move action.
Actually the other levels aren't much better. Level 7, 2 iteratives, 25 rounds. 15 of which are cartridges.
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I heard another player complaining that his rogue never gets to play in a stealthy party. There's always some lummox in heavy armor. I suggested he invest in a wand of invisibility to use on other PCs. It will take the full-plate fighter's Stealth modifier from –5 to +15.Or he can learn to do his scouting a decent distance ahead of the noisemakers.
Why is this choice binary?
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I heard another player complaining that his rogue never gets to play in a stealthy party. There's always some lummox in heavy armor. I suggested he invest in a wand of invisibility to use on other PCs. It will take the full-plate fighter's Stealth modifier from –5 to +15.Or he can learn to do his scouting a decent distance ahead of the noisemakers.
Thats a good way to die
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We have a wizard in our area who carries around a spell-storing amulet of mighty fists. After the briefing, he hands it the unarmed striker and/or animal companion and asks what spell they want him to put in it.
We often have potions, elixirs, antiplagues, antitoxins, etc. get passed to other people in the scenario. Lots of characters carry scrolls of Breath of Life and pass them off to someone who can cast it every scenario, with instructions to use that on whomever needs it first. I don't see how this is any different, as long as the player who made the purchase keeps track of the item and whether it gets used up.
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The stuff I wanted was mostly essential.. I think it was armor, shield, weapon, military saddle, training harness, and lance. Sure I could have dropped something (like the training harness), but why? Especially when there were more than enough resources to accommodate it (as in my wife's character had spare resources).
I didn't purchase armor for my pali/sorcerer until I could afford mithral plate. I could cast shield in the first combat then requisition that opponent's armor. Mostly GM blob though, not sure how it would play out.
My entangle cleric has a haversack of bows.
My master jeweler hands out emerald rings. If someone wants to keep it, they can get a Galdur exclusive* emerald ring for just 5 gp!
*Masterwork ring (with my +30 roll for that ring :)
To the OP, as long as character A isn't being asked to spend their money outfitting character B, 'tis fine.
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The stuff I wanted was mostly essential.. I think it was armor, shield, weapon, military saddle, training harness, and lance. Sure I could have dropped something (like the training harness), but why? Especially when there were more than enough resources to accommodate it (as in my wife's character had spare resources).I didn't purchase armor for my pali/sorcerer until I could afford mithral plate. I could cast shield in the first combat then requisition that opponent's armor. Mostly GM blob though, not sure how it would play out.
My entangle cleric has a haversack of bows.
My master jeweler hands out emerald rings. If someone wants to keep it, they can get a Galdur exclusive* emerald ring for just 5 gp!
*Masterwork ring (with my +30 roll for that ring :)
To the OP, as long as character A isn't being asked to spend their money outfitting character B, 'tis fine.
I fail to see how your sorceress that cast AC buffs not buying armor til later is the same as a cavalier not buying armor.
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You mentioned you didn't purchase armor. My paladin didn't either, instead finding a different resource for it. Defeating armored enemies in the first or second fight was the resource. Yes at level six I could cast shield, but for the few times I played him prior to that, armor found in the scenario was enough.
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....I have seen an alchemist hand out alchemical items to everyone at the table at the beginning of the scenario. That was certainly appreciated.
...Have you adventured with me then?
I (with several of my alchemist PCs) hand out business cards with a list of items on them, with spots to check off the items as they are used. Players that game with me have started calling them "party favors". Players give me them back at games end and I have a list of what got used.
Just before starting a "crawl", I'll instruct everyone to pull the med pack (not the grenade pack, the other card) and "drink the first three, and smear the last two over your body." This leads to the expected comments about "lube" and "oiling up" etc.
But every now and again, it means I get to point out "hay T.S., did you count the +5 alchemical bonus on that save?"... Sometimes it saves lives...
And I get to call everyone by the same first name..."T.S., for Test Subject"
;-)
I am blatantly ripping this off for my Empiricist. However, he's going to assign everyone a tracking # and refer to them by that. I'll keep a log of what characters are what # and be consistent. "Oh! Subject 37092. Nice to see you again. Here is your kit."
Would you mind sharing your thoughts on what to include in these kits? I'm starting with an Alchemist Fire and Tanglefoot Bag. I'm about to start wandering through his inventory and the PRD for more ideas.
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I have a high level gunslinger/paladin who has a +1 double-barreled musket that she doesn't use. She chambers one barrel with an adamantine bullet and the other with a cold-iron bullet.
At the beginning of every scenario she hands that off to someone at the table (you would be surprised how many high-level melee types still don't carry a ranged weapon just in case they are unable to close with their enemies).
I remind them that they will take a –4 penalty for not being proficient with firearms, but they are still targeting touch AC, so it is still probably better than a crossbow.
It has only needed to be fired once so far, but it was useful.
I have seen an alchemist hand out alchemical items to everyone at the table at the beginning of the scenario. That was certainly appreciated.
Oh, I bought a small lot of +1 holy arrows off of a chronicle. That character hasn't given them away yet, but they are there for when he adventures with an archer who wants them.
I have a master-of-disguise character that will probably pick up some extra hats of disguise for her fellow party members.
pretty sure you're unable to let someone who isn't a gunslinger use a gun at all.
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pretty sure you're unable to let someone who isn't a gunslinger use a gun at all.
That is not true.
Here is an enumeration of the limits on firearms:
1. No character may buy a firearm without the Gunsmithing feat.
2. Firearms are not always available.
3. No character may buy a firearm without sufficient fame unless it is found on a chronicle or granted by a class feature.
4. Large firearms are never available.
5. The culverin, double hackbut, and advanced firearms are never available.
So, not only is there not a "gunslinger only" restriction on using a firearm, there is not even a "gunslinger only" restriction on buying a firearm. Any character with the Gunsmithing feat and sufficient fame can purchase a firearm. You don't even need to have Exotic Weapon Proficiency (firearms).
More info here: Additional Resources.
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My Gunslinger/Alchemist, Alchemist, And Guntank/Inquisitor/Sheildmarshall all do that.
Because there is nothing as priceless as handing the Rogue a mono whip, infusion of bestow weapon prof and a potion of enlarge person before a fight.
On the other hand, I hand out alchemical remedies like candy, and carry around a scroll of suppress charms and compulsions on two PCs. ("If I get charmed, break seal and use because odds are I'll try to kill you..). Not that it gets much use after Iron Will, CoR +3 and a wrist item but ...