As Logan (designer of mystic bolt) has already stated in the main thread, you can TWF with mystic bolt and another weapon as your two weapons but mystic bolt alone is not two weapons.
It would have been fun to double finger blast
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Now I have this stuck in my head.It would have been fun to double finger blastThe Shocker?
Well, I have this stuck in my head.
Anyone have any ideas on whether Mystic Bolt would work with a Conductive weapon?
If it does work, then the combination of this and Arcane Striker would give a decent damage boost. And they could both be applied to either melee or ranged weapons.
Can you not take the mystic bolt twice, for 2 different elements and hae 2 different weapons?
"Unless otherwise noted, a talent can be selected only once." (p.3 of playtest, under Vigilante Talent)
Well you can take it twice, but that just adds additional energy types.
Well you can take it twice, but that just adds additional energy types.
D'oh! You're right. It actually says that in the ability itself. Teach me not to read all the fine print. lol
Two weapon fighting with a conductive weapon and the bolt seems like it could do some interesting damage. The medium BAB leads to the same problems the TWF rogué has, but at least the bolts will hit.
But you can't use the bolt as both your weapons, you have to use one real weapon
But you can't use the bolt as both your weapons, you have to use one real weapon
I have to say that I am finding the thought of a Vigilante with a weapon in one hand and mystical energy in the other pretty appealing. It's kind of Magus-y. For practical purposes, you probably would want to use a weapon in one hand anyway so you could threaten and take advantage of AoO's.
I'm thinking of 2w fighting with a dervish dancing +1 conductive scimitar and the bolt as the off hand attack. It should work, right?
Edit: what about Power attack and Risky striker with a melee bolt? They're kosher, right?
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So if you had the Familiar Talent and Distant Spell Link, could you have your familiar replace an attack with your mystic bolts?
Mystic Bolts are spell-like, does that mean they can be delivered via a Familiar's Deliver Touch Spells?
So if you had the Familiar Talent and Distant Spell Link, could you have your familiar replace an attack with your mystic bolts?
Mystic Bolts are spell-like, does that mean they can be delivered via a Familiar's Deliver Touch Spells?
No, spell-like abilities can't be shared with your familiar. They aren't spells.
What would be fun would be stacking Mystic Bolts with touch spells.
For example:
Round 1: Cast Frostbite + Rime Spell. Use your free touch attack and hold the remaining charges.
Round 2+: Make a full round attack using melee Mystic Bolt (acid) touch attacks.
Until the Frostbite charges run out, each touch attack after the first round would deliver:
a) 1d6+level acid damage from the Mystic Bolt
b) 1d6+level non-lethal cold damage and possibly fatigued condition from one Frostbite charge
c) possibly entangle the opponent for one round due to Rime Spell
By RAW: Power Attack no (doesn't work with touch attacks), Risky Striker yes.I'm thinking of 2w fighting with a dervish dancing +1 conductive scimitar and the bolt as the off hand attack. It should work, right?
Edit: what about Power attack and Risky striker with a melee bolt? They're kosher, right?
Risky Striker requires that you make an attack with a melee weapon. Has it been established that a Mystic Bolt can count as a melee weapon?
You can take Weapon Focus and the ability doesn't state it as an exception. So maybe.
For sure at close range counts as a melee attack.
Isn't using the conductive property limited to once per round?
Isn't using the conductive property limited to once per round?
Yep. Although I presume that means once per round for each conductive weapon.
How does Conductive work with the Amulet of mighty fists? Each natural attack is considered a different weapon?
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A melee touch attack is a melee weapon.Could you point to the rule that supports this, please? People keep trying to say it's a weapon, but without actually showing the rule that says so.
In the combat chapter under touch attacks:
Touch Attacks: Touching an opponent with a touch spell is considered to be an armed attack
Which is not the same as saying that it's a weapon. It just means that you're treated as armed, which in the Pathfinder ruleset just means that you don't provoke an attack of opportunity for attacking. It's still not saying that it's actually a weapon.A melee touch attack is a melee weapon.Could you point to the rule that supports this, please? People keep trying to say it's a weapon, but without actually showing the rule that says so.In the combat chapter under touch attacks:
Touch Attacks: Touching an opponent with a touch spell is considered to be an armed attack
And a melee Mystic Bolt isn't a touch spell. It's a spell-like ability that has a touch attack. They may work the same way, but I haven't been able to find any text that says so.
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For the Mystic Bolt + Conductive this same concept has been looked at already with the Occult Adventures Playtest for the Kinetisist. It IS possible to use multiple conductive weapons and get one hit per weapon per round. It is even possible to do it with Conductive Arrows and get one per arrow you can fire per round. With the arrows however it does get extremely expensive for only an extra d6 + level to each arrow. The Kinetisist can actually do it better because their damage is higher on their blast.
I do like the idea of wielding a sword (or whip!) in one hand and using Arcane Strike and "off-handing" the ranged bolts.
If you can take Weapon Focus in it, it's a weapon. I think you are overthinking this.
That is an excellent point. I had forgotten about that.