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"Obvious" is such a funny word. As someone who has taken way too many college math courses (and taught a few, too), I can say with confidence that when something is "obvious" or "clear" it either means that it's close to being axiomatic for me (or less charitably, I feel it's true but haven't scratched at enough to explain further) or it's too complicated for me to explain why.
Apologies for leading to a bump, but those kinds of comments remind me of a joke that I'm going to massacre about a professor explaining a problem in front of the class, starting with "It's clear that...". A student asks if it's really obvious. The professor gets a weird look on his face and walks out of the room to his office. He works at it for half an hour and then returns to the class. He says, "Yes." and explains the rest of the problem.
And I intend this to be my last post here. There's no need to keep it up now that we're past 1100. :-)
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And I intend this to be my last post here. There's no need to keep it up now that we're past 1100. :-)
you'll be back, they always come back. [/joke]
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Just remember the first taste is free.
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Nefreet, I'm totally with you. We are in the same boat. Simply put, the original text in the CRB was ambiguous. One camp focused on the first part and another camp focused on the second part. The FAQ clarified it is the first part that matters. Those of us in the second camp can understand and accept the reasoning behind the FAQ.
It's been an interesting debate all. Moving on now.
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At this point, I recommend the "Hide this Thread" button on the far right of its link. Otherwise, the dot will keep bringing you back.
Someday, there may be another call for clarification but this thread has run its course.
I think what is interesting is that this applies to high jumps as well.
Say you have a flying mob 15’ above you. |P|5’|X|M|
If you make a DC20, you expend 10’ of upward movement, and given your 5’ reach, you can then use your standard action to make an attack action.
{mumbles something about provoking while falling back to ground}
Are we done yet?
no, YOU MUST PAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY for those 700 posts[/joke]
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I think what is interesting is that this applies to high jumps as well.
Say you have a flying mob 15’ above you. |P|5’|X|M|
If you make a DC20, you expend 10’ of upward movement, and given your 5’ reach, you can then use your standard action to make an attack action.{mumbles something about provoking while falling back to ground}
Wouldn't it be a DC 40 to jump 10ft straight up? 4 x hieght to get the base dc of the jump.
Only if you don't have a running start - then the DC is doubled.
There are other factors like base speed, ect.
"you can use the Acrobatics skill to make jumps or to soften a fall. The base DC to make a jump is equal to the distance to be crossed (if horizontal) or four times the height to be reached (if vertical). These DCs double if you do not have at least 10 feet of space to get a running start."
Only if you don't have a running start - then the DC is doubled.
There are other factors like base speed, ect."you can use the Acrobatics skill to make jumps or to soften a fall. The base DC to make a jump is equal to the distance to be crossed (if horizontal) or four times the height to be reached (if vertical). These DCs double if you do not have at least 10 feet of space to get a running start."
Without a running start then you have a DC80 jump for 10ft.
*smile* You're only jumping over 5' of vertical space to move 10' ...just like Long Jump rules. In this case the gap is 5'. It's no different, only upwards.
*smile* You're only jumping over 5' of vertical space to move 10' ...just like Long Jump rules. In this case the gap is 5'. It's no different, only upwards.
God point, good point. I was trying to get even with them. I do tend to get stuck unless I am playing a flying game.
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Last one to post wins?DON'T MIND IF I DO!
or don't
Dibs
no you don't
or don'tLast one to post wins?DON'T MIND IF I DO!
I always win these.
That's what they all say.
This is crazy, but I can see why the thread was pertinent after playing at PPC.
I said this should have been locked about 200 posts ago. Maybe Beating A Dead Horse can make another official appearance.
At this point I think people are just trying to increase their number of posts.
Oh look. One more for me. :p
Who would do that?
Cha-ching!
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I always win these.or don'tLast one to post wins?DON'T MIND IF I DO!
gerd derm it nefreet
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I said this should have been locked about 200 posts ago. Maybe Beating A Dead Horse can make another official appearance.
It's threads like this that make me yearn for a good old paladin falls/alignment debacle
IT LIVES!
This whole thread is a pit.But what is the DC to Jump across it?
currently 1132
Quick, somebody make a build that can make that acrobatics roll!
I said this should have been locked about 200 posts ago. Maybe Beating A Dead Horse can make another official appearance.It's threads like this that make me yearn for a good old paladin falls/alignment debacle
If a paladin beats a dead horse, does he fall?
If a paladin beats a dead horse, does he fall?I said this should have been locked about 200 posts ago. Maybe Beating A Dead Horse can make another official appearance.It's threads like this that make me yearn for a good old paladin falls/alignment debacle
Depends on whether the horse is undead or not.
Bumps thread, snickers and runs away
okay so there's a ledge 4 feet higher than the highest you can reach what is the DC to grab the ledge, 16? or 17 because you need your fingers to get above the ledge to get a grip.
we need this answered now
Bumps thread, snickers and runs away
Admit it. You like me.
It's threads like this that make me yearn for a good old paladin falls/alignment debacle
At least now he doesn't need to roll a 9 or higher on the d20 to fall into the pit.
What's the DC to jump a 10' Pit Fiend?
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What's the DC to jump a 10' Pit Fiend?
40 with a running start for most people. 5 for a succubus.
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Just want to voice my mild amusement/exasperation at the ability of theorycraft to take the simplest of issues and make it so obscenely complicated that it beggars description.
this could have been about two sides that equally believed their argument to be the simplest, most common sense interpretation.
Just want to voice my mild amusement/exasperation at the ability of theorycraft to take the simplest of issues and make it so obscenely complicated that it beggars description.this could have been about two sides that equally believed their argument to be the simplest, most common sense interpretation.
[sarcasm] Common sense will not be tolerated [/sarcasm]
Exactly. Each viewpoint seemed obvious to each viewer, some agreed for different reasons, and some disagreed for the same reasons. What didn't make sense to either viewpoint was why the other didn't see why it was so obvious.