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Just realized Cosmo favorited one of my posts AND it wasn't in the "Blame Cosmo" thread....There's got to be a meme for that right?
I got SKR to favorite some of mine...but two of those were from his going away thread :(
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I am one of the people also targeted by Tacticslion. Hmmm... I wonder what he could be up to...
Seriously, TL, it is a delight to know someone likes my drivel. :-)
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People misspelling usernames.
It's RIGHT THERE, people!
"Rynjyn", hmph.
This person seems famililiar to me... ¤checks own posts¤ Oh.
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I dunno. As favorited as I get my TL, I like to think we're kinda Fave buddies....
Though I know I happen to like his stuff that I fave, I wonder if some of mine can be said for the same since I seem to make enemies everywhere I go. Being faved is unusual and kind of scarey for me...
FAVE BUDDIES! >_>
Edit: Mikaze... You should write Book Ero more often. I'm sure there's a market for that somewhere. Perhaps lonely librarians would buy it...
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Just the other day I looked at some of my favorited by others posts, saw a lot of TL there and thought I had a stalker for half a minute. Now I find out not only am I not special, he just throws out favorites all willy-nilly!
I feel like I found out my girlfriend's been sleeping around, and everyone but me knew about it.
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I thought of a couple more while catching up with the thread:
People who use the phrase "house rules" as an attack. House rules are not an inherently bad thing, but some posters use an accusation of "house rules" to dismiss an argument, as if they are playing some more "pure" version of the game. You see this a lot when RAW is subject to interpretation - some posters will dismiss the other side as "house rules" when both sides are a valid reading. Folks, it's okay that sometimes there are two ways to read a rule, and it's okay to not know which is RAI.
People who bring personal attacks into the forums, to the point of seeing the dreaded "moderator removed some posts" post. I've opened a page of posts before to see all but seven or so of the block of 50 were removed. Cripes. This one makes me more sad than angry.
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Just the other day I looked at some of my favorited by others posts, saw a lot of TL there and thought I had a stalker for half a minute. Now I find out not only am I not special, he just throws out favorites all willy-nilly!
I feel like I found out my girlfriend's been sleeping around, and everyone but me knew about it.
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Add in "wannabe writer GM", "railroady GM", "tyrant GM" and all similar accusations, and I'd agree with that.
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I *love* special snowflakes, btw the concept, the actual expression (that isn't special at all) and the foolishness of the accusations and love ribbing those who make the accusations who usually hold the equally fraught corollary diametric opposed concept "special snowscape" - the campaign that must remain inviolate and pure to the GM's concept.
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My least favorite forum-y thing, is when somebody starts a list thread--"Xity X X Things You Y When Z" or what have you--and somebody posts something that somebody else takes offense to. That Somebody #2 responds by passive aggressively adding another item to the list as a counterpoint to Somebody #1's item, usually while making it patently clear that they only made the post to retort to somebody else. Most of the time they even quote the person they are taking offense to, but instead of debating the topic, asking for clarification, or accepting that somebody has a different opinion, they engage in this strange, catty game--usually without even checking to see if somebody else already added their item to the list.
If a thread has enough posters this can happen over the same single point again, and again, and again... and if there are enough antsy posters on both sides of the issue, it can play out like a bad episode of family television, where everybody tries to tweak each other's ears without coming out and saying what bothers them.
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Oh, that reminds me of another one:
"Special Snowflake" accusations. Whoever started that meme should be banned. Or not. Really, just that phrase should be banned.
Special Snowflake existed before these boards and will exist after them. It is generally used to refer to someone who has to try and invent a reason that their special so that they can be special.
Now I will say that it is used incorrectly rather often, but there is a reason it exist within the rpg messageboard lexicon. We have all run into that player who wants to build a half drow half dragon with a mangled back story just so they can be different.
Now while there is nothing wrong with that combination doing it just to be different really isn't going to be seen as a valid reason for doing so. They are trying to build a character that stands out from the rest so that they can feel special in a game where we are all trying to succeed together.
You'll also see it come up when someone asks about playing some weird class or race, and how to convince their gm to let them, or is it a valid choice. People will give them another more basic option that with a little re-flavoring would work. They get told that the person doesn't want to do it, and that's when the special snowflake posts will start.
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We have all run into that player who wants to build a half drow half dragon with a mangled back story just so they can be different.
Nononononono. Mine was half-drow, half-frost giant. Sheesh, man. Can't a special snowflake get even a little respect?
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To me, anybody's character that functions according to the rules (and gels with the campaign style/genre) is perfectly "Viable".
I'm going to challenge this.
I once played alongside someone who made a rogue with 9 STR and a DEX somewhere in the teens, but didn't know Weapon Finesse existed. So his attack bonus modifier was -1. He had to be flanking to make it positive.
This character meets your above definition of "viable".
I once saw a thread where someone was thinking it would be fun (in PFS, where the campaign assumption is that you're a commissioned field agent of an organization of explorers) to play a commoner, but since that wasn't allowed, he'd just play a wizard who was afraid of magic and therefore would never cast spells. (My memory's a little fuzzy, but I think he was even considering having 10 or less INT so he couldn't cast spells.)
This character meets your above definition of "viable".
There is most definitely a threshold where a rules-legal character stops being viable. Folks might disagree about exactly where that line is, but it's most certainly somewhere other than simply being rules-legal.
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Tacticslion sometimes even favirites my posts when I vehemently disagree with him.
Okay, because I can't settle on any one joke, I will, at least, respond to this in some amount of seriousness.
I favorite posts because I like them, and I like looking at them later. (Though I've got enough that I really need a Search function, now. ... mods? Admins? Anyone?)
This includes posts that challenge me, make me think, have solid argumentation or other things, even on topics or ways that I disagree with. In those cases where someone challenges me in an intelligent and solid way, it allows me to stop, reconsider my position, and ensure that I'm arguing what I believe to be correct, as well as what I actually think (which, in forum arguments, it's really easy to get turned around, sometimes), and, beyond that, makes me consider if I've changed my mind or not.
Usually, I don't change my mind. Sometimes I do. Most of the time, I learn a new way of looking at something - it's not mine, but it's comprehensible and allows me to empathize with people better. Either way, I figure, I've learned something, and that's worth meditating on later (as well as letting the person know that I liked what they said).
But, uh, it's actually starting to get hard to sort through all my favorites. >.>
(I have nearly five times as many favorites as I do posts, and I post a lot.)
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I pretty much only favorite Simpsons references.
Threads that bring up a dead horse idea that often has people up in arms about it (martials suck, rogues suck, paladins fall, etc) and don't add anything new to the discussion, instead just asking for opinions, or for people to prove it.
We've got so many of these topics, you can just find them and read the chaos. If you've got something to add, okay. But just dropping a bomb and sitting back to watch the fireworks. :/
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Threads that bring up a dead horse idea that often has people up in arms about it (martials suck, rogues suck, paladins fall, etc) and don't add anything new to the discussion, instead just asking for opinions, or for people to prove it.
We've got so many of these topics, you can just find them and read the chaos. If you've got something to add, okay. But just dropping a bomb and sitting back to watch the fireworks. :/
Ahh yes the monthly or weekly rehash of the same topics over and over. We all know everyone's thoughts on the subject they can be left alone unless something changes.
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I am one of the people also targeted by Tacticslion. Hmmm... I wonder what he could be up to...
Seriously, TL, it is a delight to know someone likes my drivel. :-)
If I post on a part of the forum TL frequents without getting his fave, I know I messed up.
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We have all run into that player who wants to build a half drow half dragon with a mangled back story just so they can be different.Nononononono. Mine was half-drow, half-frost giant. Sheesh, man. Can't a special snowflake get even a little respect?
As much as I love R.A Salvator, I really wonder if he should be blamed for drow being the race of special snowflakes or if it was just a natural part of the race and the settings.
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Drow, as designed by Gygax, have always been described as subsisting on mushrooms and spiced wine (gluhwein). Is it really so surprising they are grumpy?
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I pretty much only favorite Simpsons references.
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I thought I was special. I guess not. <sighs>When a forum lurker favorites your post and you have no idea who they are and you've never seen them post before.
But I guess they find me cool or something so Ive got that going for me.
I was tempted to make a sockpuppet account to favorite this post.
But Grunthos the Violently Flatulent, someone with no posts, beat me to it. DAMN YOU GRUNTHOS THE VIOLENTLY FLATULENT!!!!That post was obvious favorite-baiting. :PWhat's the difference between 'favorite-baiting' and 'writing good, funny/interesting/helpful posts'?
Well, except posting in a thread frequented by tacticslion, 'cause that's obviously fishing for favorites. It would not surprise me if more than half of my 'favorited by others' posts were favorited by tacticslion.Oh, that reminds me of another one:
"Special Snowflake" accusations. Whoever started that meme should be banned. Or not. Really, just that phrase should be banned.
Why the phrase is insulting it does fit some players who wish to exempt from the same rules everyone else has to follow, and do it just to be an exception.
Source:Personal Experience
However sometimes it is applied to people who just don't care about the GM's overly rigid rules.
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I thought I was special. I guess not. <sighs>When a forum lurker favorites your post and you have no idea who they are and you've never seen them post before.
But I guess they find me cool or something so Ive got that going for me.
I was tempted to make a sockpuppet account to favorite this post.
But Grunthos the Violently Flatulent, someone with no posts, beat me to it. DAMN YOU GRUNTHOS THE VIOLENTLY FLATULENT!!!!That post was obvious favorite-baiting. :PWhat's the difference between 'favorite-baiting' and 'writing good, funny/interesting/helpful posts'?
Well, except posting in a thread frequented by tacticslion, 'cause that's obviously fishing for favorites. It would not surprise me if more than half of my 'favorited by others' posts were favorited by tacticslion.Oh, that reminds me of another one:
"Special Snowflake" accusations. Whoever started that meme should be banned. Or not. Really, just that phrase should be banned.Why the phrase is insulting it does fit some players who wish to exempt from the same rules everyone else has to follow, and do it just to be an exception.
Source:Personal Experience
However sometimes it is applied to people who just don't care about the GM's overly rigid rules.
Or, occasionally, to any character concept the GM didn't have in mind in advance.
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Or, occasionally, to any character concept the GM didn't have in mind in advance.I thought I was special. I guess not. <sighs>When a forum lurker favorites your post and you have no idea who they are and you've never seen them post before.
But I guess they find me cool or something so Ive got that going for me.
I was tempted to make a sockpuppet account to favorite this post.
But Grunthos the Violently Flatulent, someone with no posts, beat me to it. DAMN YOU GRUNTHOS THE VIOLENTLY FLATULENT!!!!That post was obvious favorite-baiting. :PWhat's the difference between 'favorite-baiting' and 'writing good, funny/interesting/helpful posts'?
Well, except posting in a thread frequented by tacticslion, 'cause that's obviously fishing for favorites. It would not surprise me if more than half of my 'favorited by others' posts were favorited by tacticslion.Oh, that reminds me of another one:
"Special Snowflake" accusations. Whoever started that meme should be banned. Or not. Really, just that phrase should be banned.Why the phrase is insulting it does fit some players who wish to exempt from the same rules everyone else has to follow, and do it just to be an exception.
Source:Personal Experience
However sometimes it is applied to people who just don't care about the GM's overly rigid rules.
True. To some people "I don't like it" = "special snowflake".
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And to other people "I don't want my little ponies in my Dark Heresy campaign" = "special snowscape".
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If I post on a part of the forum TL frequents without getting his fave, I know I messed up.I am one of the people also targeted by Tacticslion. Hmmm... I wonder what he could be up to...
Seriously, TL, it is a delight to know someone likes my drivel. :-)
I, uh... I hope I don't disappoint? (Sometimes I'm inconsistent in application of favorites, because I just... kind of feel like I'm being silly.)
>.>
I... I've been thinking of cutting back...
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... maybe not...
As much as I love R.A Salvator, I really wonder if he should be blamed for drow being the race of special snowflakes or if it was just a natural part of the race and the settings.We have all run into that player who wants to build a half drow half dragon with a mangled back story just so they can be different.Nononononono. Mine was half-drow, half-frost giant. Sheesh, man. Can't a special snowflake get even a little respect?
You know, the funny thing was, before I ever really knew about Drizz't (I never read any of the novels until well into 3rd or even 3.5) I designed the character... with a double-bladed scimitar. (It wasn't named Twinkle or Icingdeath or anything like that, though - it was just a "mundane" two-bladed scimitar, like a two-bladed sword except with a scimitar.)
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It highlights the ridiculously misplaced self-importance of people who make up reasons to be offended on the internet pretty well to me.Who wouldn't want to be a Social Justice Warrior? That sounds awesome. :DDefinitely, it doesn't sound like an insult at all. This is what I think of when I hear that.
So basically this entire thread then?
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But... but.... but if Tacticslion stops favoriting how will i know my jokes are funny?
no seriously i also favorite tons of s!#!, whether its jokes or a well made point:-)
as far as things that grind me ole gears people that start threads where they seek advice but they don't really want to hear any advice, just someone telling them what they want to hear, which of course everyone has to guess at:-p
Also when someone starts a thread seeking advice on what modules or APs to run and lists a bunch he won't run (lets say kingmaker) and then the first 5 posts are people saying he should totally run kingmaker and then they get pissed when he says no.
also i inadvertently created Artemis Entreri when i played first edition:-) but in my defense i was going more for an evil Aragorn:-)
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I favorite posts because I like them, and I like looking at them later. (Though I've got enough that I really need a Search function, now. ... mods? Admins? Anyone?)
Start making lists. You can sort them by topic that way.
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AH! These recent rash of posts have given me yet another reminder of a forum meme that grinds my gears! Though this is more of a Gamer Meme (should a thread for 'gamer memes' be made?)
When you walk up to a table with a dual-scimitar wielding drow, a halfling sneak focused around stealth and 'saving things from potentially horrible fates', or any other concept that even remotely SOUNDS like it's from some piece of pop culture... And you immediately start hearing cries of "NOOB! CLONE! Play something original!".... Even though you have no idea who the hell they could be talking about.
Seriously now. Not everyone is as up to date, or pre-1990, as you may be. A good example of this is my fiance, whose first D&D game (at the ass-end of 3.5) wound up having the GM make her a more or less Drizzt clone so he can get the party working WITH the drow like they were supposed to. Those who showed up to the table later were like "Oh great, another f$(%ing Drizzt" while she was like "who?" and wound up having a fairly horrible time because of it, despite the explanation to the perpetrators that she had no idea who Drizzt was and the GM told her to build the dual-wielding ranger. She didn't even use scimitars for Gygax's sake! It was a Rapier and Dagger (Main-gauche).
It just... Really... Really grinds my gears when people do that. As if there's an original concept that can be built in Pathfinder that isn't some rehashing frankenstein job of various character's influences on someone's preferences.... I see it a lot on these boards, or did anyways, I don't hang around certain areas as much as I used to.
You even get 'drizzt clone!' cries when you dual scimitars with, like, an aasimar or a human. So much for the archetypal Arabian Dervish.
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God forbid someone like a character and want to build a PC based off off that character.
>_<
Exactly. I myself do not get where this state of mind comes from. The whole "Play something for yourself! Stupid Clone!" kind of mentality...
Though, even I will admit that there's a limit to what you can do. Had a player want to build Mugen from Samurai Champloo, down to every last detail, complete with 'fighting with his feet, and metal-plated sandals'... I'm sitting here like "Okaaayy.... Wear the sandals for fluff and take IUS, and just narrate out your fighting style"... To which I get the response of "No, that's not really what I'm looking for". Turns out, Pathfinder at the time didn't have what he was looking for, though he had a horrible time with that character trying to make it fit Mugen to the last detail.
Though, to be fair, he kind of um... Well, let's just say that his original character was very... One-dimensional. Started doing grade-school pranks on the female Ifrit because his Undine 'liked her'. And didn't really manage anything else for the guy.. So I guess some people need the structure of a pregen?
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I'll again make my recommendation for the easiest way to shake off such criticism...
Give your dual scimitar wielding drow an appalachian accent somewhere between R Lee Ermey and Fix it Feelix... Nobody will mistake you for drizzt if it sounds like you're backstory is 'runnin' moonshine for boss hog'
God forbid someone like a character and want to build a PC based off off that character.
>_<
I don't think it's a problem when it's sometimes, or when it's based off of an established character but not the exact same.
Hell right now I'm playing in a Mummy's mask game where mine and one of the other players chars are based on Sam & Dean Winchester. They aren't clones.
Some people have just played long enough that when someone used to play a drow they were trying to do the same exact thing as Drizzt, same essential back story same fighting style, and with a name close to Drizzt. So we probably do get a little knee jerky about it.
For me the playing a clone of some famous book or movie char got old, because I played with one person who never had an original idea for a char. Every single one was a clone, often times right down to the name. It gets old.
At the same time I have seen people help others on this board build chars from movie or anime. So maybe it is just a reaction from drow, most people have played with one where it's the same thing so it's hard to stop the eye rolls even when it's a new player who hasn't encountered this issue before.
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Most people I've seen in person playing a drow most assuredly do not play Drizzt clones. Usually if they're playing a drow it's because they want a racial excuse to play chaotic douchebag backstabbing jerk. That way they can throw the whole "I'm just playing in character" blanket excuse to cover up being a dick player.
Personally, the time I played a drow I found a healthy medium. Ultimately selfish, certainly not out to help others or at all altruistic, but able to play nice with groups, especially if it met my own goals or was to my own benefit...and luckily for the GM, the world not ending was to my own benefit.
AW CRAPS, I made a Jarlaxle clone![/tongueincheek]
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My first drow character was before being exposed to Drizzt too. He was brought to the surface world by his refugee family that took begrudging shelter in a small village. He spent most of his childhood playing in the woods alone before getting involved with the local benign fey. Eventually grew up to be a "fey knight" type, taking up his friends' cause and hoping to gain the full acceptance of his neighbors.
I really hoped to eventually get a Valdemar-esque unicorn pal/mount.
Shut up. That's badass.
Never did get to actually play him as intended. I guess some if his DNA made it to my WotR paladin though. Really connected to that character at that young age.
Personally I thought black skinned, white haired elves just looked awesome. Later went ahead and just made them a non-evil but typically insular elven ethnicity in my homebrew.
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Personally I thought black skinned, white haired elves just looked awesome. Later went ahead and just made them a non-evil but typically insular elven ethnicity in my homebrew.
Since my homebrew world doesn't have Drow at all, I stole the whole "Elves change appearance based on their environment" thing from Golarion, and made any Elf that spends a lot of time in a rocky, mountainous, cavernous, subterranean, or otherwise heavy-on-stone environment would eventually look like a Drow, specifically because their appearance is reminiscent of gems - "skin like onyx, hair like diamond, eyes like rubies and amethysts".
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Personally I thought black skinned, white haired elves just looked awesome. Later went ahead and just made them a non-evil but typically insular elven ethnicity in my homebrew.Since my homebrew world doesn't have Drow at all, I stole the whole "Elves change appearance based on their environment" thing from Golarion, and made any Elf that spends a lot of time in a rocky, mountainous, cavernous, subterranean, or otherwise heavy-on-stone environment would eventually look like a Drow, specifically because their appearance is reminiscent of gems - "skin like onyx, hair like diamond, eyes like rubies and amethysts".
Nice. Really dig that over the original skin color explanation. (love that jewel-based description too!)
Now I'm really interested in the possibilities waiting in those mountain elves...
In mine, they're mostly forest-city dwellers that have a Court of Night thing going.
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Personally I thought black skinned, white haired elves just looked awesome. Later went ahead and just made them a non-evil but typically insular elven ethnicity in my homebrew.Since my homebrew world doesn't have Drow at all, I stole the whole "Elves change appearance based on their environment" thing from Golarion, and made any Elf that spends a lot of time in a rocky, mountainous, cavernous, subterranean, or otherwise heavy-on-stone environment would eventually look like a Drow, specifically because their appearance is reminiscent of gems - "skin like onyx, hair like diamond, eyes like rubies and amethysts".
Speaking of which, more blog posts please :)
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I read Salvatore long before I got into D&D (well maybe not long). I've never made a Drizzt clone but I did name my first character Haverly. (Who can tell me where that is from?)
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I've never gotten the backlash towards characters based on pop culture, they can help immeasurably with enabling a new person become immersed in the game, i'll take Drizzt Mc 'Urden every day to Generic Surface Elf Wizard 78 (now with daddy issues!)
But then again i'm the guy with the Vanara Gunslinger pirate named Ceasar:-p
I read Salvatore long before I got into D&D (well maybe not long). I've never made a Drizzt clone but I did name my first character Haverly. (Who can tell me where that is from?)
Braveheart!
I read Salvatore long before I got into D&D (well maybe not long). I've never made a Drizzt clone but I did name my first character Haverly. (Who can tell me where that is from?)Braveheart!
No. It's from Salvatore's other Forgotten Realms series. Was there a Haverly in Braveheart?
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Its Cadderly!