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Option x is reduced in power in any way whatsoever:

'Option x is COMPLETELY WORTHLESS now!!!!


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And who told you about option x?

Was it Deputy Director Skinner, man that guy's been riding my ass lately.


Character option X.
When is government option X going to be on the history channel?

It grinds my gears that so few people seem to remember The X Files.

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To be fair at least in Pathfinder when a option is reduced in power it usual is worthless and not worth taking anymore imo. So I don't blame anyone including myself for reacting that way. Why would I want to keep something that hampers my character. Flavor is nice and all but I want both effective flavor and options.


How many "parts" of Pathfinder (spells, feats, skills, weapons, items) have been so diminished in usefulness that they are effectively abandoned even though they still take up space in the rules?


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memorax wrote:
To be fair at least in Pathfinder when a option is reduced in power it usual is worthless and not worth taking anymore imo. So I don't blame anyone including myself for reacting that way. Why would I want to keep something that hampers my character. Flavor is nice and all but I want both effective flavor and options.

I'd be careful about calling things useless, for two reasons,

One, not all options are intended to be useful all the time. I.E. a one shot game with no advancement, the level one wizard would likely find toughness to be a decent feat choice for survivability, but on a character with twenty levels planned out, toughness is a bit of a joke. Thus toughness has a place, but you're unlikely to see it if you only judge it by standard twently level spanning games.

Two, player creativity trumps mechanical balance. I have literally had players get angry with me for my overly weak characters only to have me be saving their sorry horseapples from an untimely squashing (despite wanting to see them get squashed for dropping so quickly after complaining about "needing to carry [me] through the adventure.")


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Real Roleplayers know how to make Elephant Stomp overpowered!


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I know I mentioned this less than a day ago on another thread, but RPG fans share an unusual characteristic with sports team fans, and it Grinds my Gears.


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Sarcasm Dragon wrote:
Real Roleplayers know how to make Elephant Stomp overpowered!

With grease? (all fall down)

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That one rare time in that very situational case does not a useless feat make useful IMO. They might work for a player or more at a table. It's still not going to make myself or my group want to take them more. I was really looking forward to a feat like Craft Ooze. In the end I'm wasting skill points, a feat, gold and time. To make a ooze that is both unintelligent and even worse not under my control. I can't use them in combat because they might attack the other players and even myself. Might be useful as a delaying tactic to escape a enemy. I don't like situational feats. Never did never will.

Sure I can be creative with the way I use my crafted oozes. I should be able to use them as I see fit. Not have to worry about them attacking the rest of the party or even myself. I can't even use them as guard dogs because their not under my control. Might as well hire a otyugh or two. At least I can pay them in garbage.

Their no good reason why we can't have both useful and flavourful options. None IMO. Paizo for better or worse leans toward labor and not as often as they can be useful options. Do they ain't getting praise from me at leAst on that end.

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Removed some baiting posts.


memorax wrote:

That one rare time in that very situational case does not a useless feat make useful IMO. They might work for a player or more at a table. It's still not going to make myself or my group want to take them more. I was really looking forward to a feat like Craft Ooze. In the end I'm wasting skill points, a feat, gold and time. To make a ooze that is both unintelligent and even worse not under my control. I can't use them in combat because they might attack the other players and even myself. Might be useful as a delaying tactic to escape a enemy. I don't like situational feats. Never did never will.

Sure I can be creative with the way I use my crafted oozes. I should be able to use them as I see fit. Not have to worry about them attacking the rest of the party or even myself. I can't even use them as guard dogs because their not under my control. Might as well hire a otyugh or two. At least I can pay them in garbage.

Their no good reason why we can't have both useful and flavourful options. None IMO. Paizo for better or worse leans toward labor and not as often as they can be useful options. Do they ain't getting praise from me at leAst on that end.

Whether a feat is useful can vary greatly from campaign setup to campaign setup ...


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RDM42 wrote:
Whether a feat is useful can vary greatly from campaign setup to campaign setup ...

Sure you can say that without even trying to go into specifics. Can you give an example of a 'campaign setup' in which Elephant Stomp is a useful feat? Or Galley Slave?


Is there a way to get immediate overrun attacks? If not then no that feat seems pretty useless. Its almost original Prone Shooter.

Galley slave might be useful in an all ship campaign for an "AM" build that is fully focused on alpha strikes to inch out a bit more damage early on.

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RDM42 wrote:


Whether a feat is useful can vary greatly from campaign setup to campaign setup ...

Once in awhile sure in a very specific kind of campaign yes. But the majority of the feats that I find useless are not going to be useful in most campaigns. Galley slave is a good example. It might be useful in Skulls and shackles. Or a naval based campaign. Out of that not so much. Craft Ooze is so terrible I would not take it even if given for free by the DM.


memorax wrote:
RDM42 wrote:


Whether a feat is useful can vary greatly from campaign setup to campaign setup ...
Once in awhile sure in a very specific kind of campaign yes. But the majority of the feats that I find useless are not going to be useful in most campaigns. Galley slave is a good example. It might be useful in Skulls and shackles. Or a naval based campaign. Out of that not so much. Craft Ooze is so terrible I would not take it even if given for free by the DM.

So? If its only useful in a naval campaign, what is the problem?


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RDM42 wrote:
memorax wrote:
RDM42 wrote:


Whether a feat is useful can vary greatly from campaign setup to campaign setup ...
Once in awhile sure in a very specific kind of campaign yes. But the majority of the feats that I find useless are not going to be useful in most campaigns. Galley slave is a good example. It might be useful in Skulls and shackles. Or a naval based campaign. Out of that not so much. Craft Ooze is so terrible I would not take it even if given for free by the DM.
So? If its only useful in a naval campaign, what is the problem?

Because even "useful" is being generous to that feat. "Applicable," is more appropriate. As in "this feat doesn't do anything at all unless it is a naval campaign, and in those cases the feat is still objectively worse than skill focus, and it was printed in the Taldan book, not the SnS players guide, not even the Cheliax companion, AND it pidgeonholes you into a role play background that doesn't square with the bonus granted by the feat."

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RDM42 wrote:


So? If its only useful in a naval campaign, what is the problem?

I prefer feats that I can use for as many campaigns as possible. I dislike situational, or feats that give a +1 or even worse one such as craft ooze. It's like researching a better gun that supposed to kill people. Can barely shot through a wooden wall. Then say it's still useful because it can barely shot through a wooden wall. While not useless per see it's not exactly a glowing recommendation when a feat works only in a specific type of campaign.


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RDM42 wrote:
So? If its only useful in a naval campaign,

No, it isn't. Even in a campaign which takes place entirely on a ship with oars and rowers, so that the effect is always active...

it's still a sh@#ty feat. In your hypothetical all-rowboat campaign, it's still a pure number-boost feat which gives a tiny number boost which is less than a core feat (it gives a +2 to one skill while Skill Focus gives a +3 to one skill, and other feats in the core rules give +2 to two skills). It's out-done by a normal feat in its own specialty.

On the other hand, though, even though it's always going to be worse than other feats you could take, Galley Slave is still technically better than no feat at all. The same cannot be said for Elephant Stomp, which you've conveniently ignored.


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Okay, this one's been getting on my nerve lately:
"3rd party homebrew forum"
It comes in several variants, including "3rd party/homebrew forum", "3pp/homebrew board", and "3pp and homebrew forum".
It's usually used in a statement along the lines of "this thread should be in the third party homebrew forum", or "your statement is totally irrelevent because we aren't in the 3rd party/homebrew forum!"

So why does it Grind my Gears? Because THERE IS NO SUCH FORUM ON PAIZO.COM!
It's possible that another, smaller forum might have such subforum, but this one doesn't. Hence, telling someone on this website that they should post in the "3rd party homebrew forum" of this website is wrong.
This website has several subforums with either "homebrew" or "third-party" in the title, including:
--Pathfinder/Adventure Card Game/ Homebrew and House Rules
--Pathfinder/Pathfinder RPG/ Sugestions/House Rules/Homebrew

--Pathfinder/Pathfinder RPG/Third-Party Pathfinder RPG Products

There is no subforum anywhere on this website with both the word "homebrew" and the phrase "third party" in the name! If you direct someone to such a non-existent subforum, you are Objectively Wrong!


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The genericized use of the word "meme" as well as the repetitive use of idiomatic phrases...makes me angry.

I am sure somebody soon will complain of people who make the same joke a second time in a thread because they could not be bothered to read all thousand and then some posts.


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Jaunt wrote:

The genericized use of the word "meme" as well as the repetitive use of idiomatic phrases...makes me angry.

I am sure somebody soon will complain of people who make the same joke a second time in a thread because they could not be bothered to read all thousand and then some posts.

According to the forum's search feature, you are the first person on this thread to use the exact phrase "genericized use of the word".

Thus, I am not going to complain about you reusing a joke. Reusing jokes on a forum most certainly does not Grind my Gears.


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One down, a few thousand to go.


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When I am always to late to have read the removed baiting posts, ohhhh that grinds my gears


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137ben wrote:

Okay, this one's been getting on my nerve lately:

"3rd party homebrew forum"
It comes in several variants, including "3rd party/homebrew forum", "3pp/homebrew board", and "3pp and homebrew forum".
It's usually used in a statement along the lines of "this thread should be in the third party homebrew forum", or "your statement is totally irrelevent because we aren't in the 3rd party/homebrew forum!"

So why does it Grind my Gears? Because THERE IS NO SUCH FORUM ON PAIZO.COM!
It's possible that another, smaller forum might have such subforum, but this one doesn't. Hence, telling someone on this website that they should post in the "3rd party homebrew forum" of this website is wrong.
This website has several subforums with either "homebrew" or "third-party" in the title, including:
--Pathfinder/Adventure Card Game/ Homebrew and House Rules
--Pathfinder/Pathfinder RPG/ Sugestions/House Rules/Homebrew

--Pathfinder/Pathfinder RPG/Third-Party Pathfinder RPG Products

There is no subforum anywhere on this website with both the word "homebrew" and the phrase "third party" in the name! If you direct someone to such a non-existent subforum, you are Objectively Wrong!

Can it not be read as an either/or - "it should either be in the 3PP forum or the homebrew forum".

Granted that's probably irritating for a different reason, but when they're separated by a slash I don't read it as a direction to a non-existent forum but to two different forums lumped together.


All the brony and gamer haters lumping everyone together really grind my gears.

I'm lumping all people who speak out against anything I like together with nazis and terrorists just to show them how it feels. Feels bad doesn't it!

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Terquem wrote:
When I am always to late to have read the removed baiting posts, ohhhh that grinds my gears

I really hate having an entire post disappear over a small part of it and then with no record of what it said, then trying to reconstruct the post minus the offending part.

Or worse, being left in confusion over what was so bad about the post.

Or having poor word choice lead people down a majorly wrong and bad direction away from the intent, and then any attempt to bring things back to the intended meaning leads to accusations of trolling.


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DarkLightHitomi wrote:
Terquem wrote:
When I am always to late to have read the removed baiting posts, ohhhh that grinds my gears

I really hate having an entire post disappear over a small part of it and then with no record of what it said, then trying to reconstruct the post minus the offending part.

Or worse, being left in confusion over what was so bad about the post.

Or having poor word choice lead people down a majorly wrong and bad direction away from the intent, and then any attempt to bring things back to the intended meaning leads to accusations of trolling.

I hate it when a whole bunch of posts vanish and I've no idea if I triggered it or was part of the trigger or just caught up by replying or in fact didn't have anything deleted at all.


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Can it not be read as an either/or - "it should either be in the 3PP forum or the homebrew forum".

Granted that's probably irritating for a different reason, but when they're separated by a slash I don't read it as a direction to a non-existent forum but to two different forums lumped together.

It's possible, but

a)I've seen the same people use it both without the slash and with
b)I've seen a handful of people only ever refer to the two forums as a group (i.e., they never refer to just the 3rd party forum or just the suggestions/homebrew/house rules forum), and
c)As you hinted at ('irritating for a different reason'), there aren't many, if any, cases where a thread actually fits in either forum.
Granted, if it's mostly just a couple people doing what I'm complaining about, it hardly qualifies as a "meme", and I could easily stop it from Grinding my Gears by adding those people to my ignore list.


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What really Grinds my Gears is when someone makes a post about a topic that contains a deceptive link to something totally unrelated. For example, there was a time where someone made a post about the different subforums on Paizo.com, and complaining about a phenomenon in which others refer to non-existent subfora. At the end of the post, that person embedded a link to a completely unrelated thread about alignment.


DarkLightHitomi wrote:

Or worse, being left in confusion over what was so bad about the post.

Or having poor word choice lead people down a majorly wrong and bad direction away from the intent, and then any attempt to bring things back to the intended meaning leads to accusations of trolling.

Hey! I just made a thread about the very same phenomenon as it applies to political discourse! Neat!


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I hardly ever quote anyone, lessens the chances of getting deleted I found.


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137ben wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:


Can it not be read as an either/or - "it should either be in the 3PP forum or the homebrew forum".

Granted that's probably irritating for a different reason, but when they're separated by a slash I don't read it as a direction to a non-existent forum but to two different forums lumped together.

It's possible, but

a)I've seen the same people use it both without the slash and with
b)I've seen a handful of people only ever refer to the two forums as a group (i.e., they never refer to just the 3rd party forum or just the suggestions/homebrew/house rules forum), and
c)As you hinted at ('irritating for a different reason'), there aren't many, if any, cases where a thread actually fits in either forum.
Granted, if it's mostly just a couple people doing what I'm complaining about, it hardly qualifies as a "meme", and I could easily stop it from Grinding my Gears by adding those people to my ignore list.

You set a high bar.

This thread is full of questionably categorized "memes" so you should feel free to grind away, in my opinion.


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I dislike when someone's opinion is tossed out with a sneer because a poster or several posters believe that the opinion refers to house rules or 3PP or whatever.

"RAW" is a myth. The rules as written are often held up as some gold standard when in reality they are interpreted by the reader. There may be common interpretations, sure, but this smugly insufferable need to try to minimize other opinions with a comment of "We are talking about RAW, not your stupid house rules!" It's silly and little more than the usual internet measuring contests.

You don't have to agree with other people, but for whichever divine being's sake, let the other person express their opinion without shutting them down because they don't read the rules the way you like (because you are right.)


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Except the vast majority of the time it IS people's houserules throwing things off.

"Wizards aren't powerful."

*Reasons why Wizards are powerful*

"Yeah well my GM won't let them get away with using those spells and stuff, which means I'm right."

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"Archery is overpowered. Archers never miss. *Long rant*"

"Are you making sure to account for the -4 from soft cove?"

"No."

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In a current thread:

"Alchemists are overpowered. They can make like a jillion Sneak Attacks a round with tentacles."

"Tentacles don't give extra attacks."

"Yeah well it's still OP though if you allow that"


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Sarcasm Dragon wrote:
What really Grinds my Gears is when someone makes a post about a topic that contains a deceptive link to something totally unrelated. For example, there was a time where someone made a post about the different subforums on Paizo.com, and complaining about a phenomenon in which others refer to non-existent subfora. At the end of the post, that person embedded a link to a completely unrelated thread about alignment.

This link is totally and for real on-topic and related to the discussion at hand.


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DarkLightHitomi wrote:
Terquem wrote:
When I am always to late to have read the removed baiting posts, ohhhh that grinds my gears

I really hate having an entire post disappear over a small part of it and then with no record of what it said, then trying to reconstruct the post minus the offending part.

Or worse, being left in confusion over what was so bad about the post.

Or having poor word choice lead people down a majorly wrong and bad direction away from the intent, and then any attempt to bring things back to the intended meaning leads to accusations of trolling.

You can email the mod team and ask for a copy of a removed post. It's not actually deleted, it's just hidden from viewers who don't have mod access.

Edit: a copy of one of your posts deleted for quoting the wrong thing.


Ooh! I didn't know that! Thanks!

Lantern Lodge

That is nice to know, thanks!
:)

Grand Lodge

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BigDTBone wrote:
Sarcasm Dragon wrote:
What really Grinds my Gears is when someone makes a post about a topic that contains a deceptive link to something totally unrelated. For example, there was a time where someone made a post about the different subforums on Paizo.com, and complaining about a phenomenon in which others refer to non-existent subfora. At the end of the post, that person embedded a link to a completely unrelated thread about alignment.
This link is totally and for real on-topic and related to the discussion at hand.

You know what's sad? I KNEW what that was going to be and I still clicked the damn link.

Well played.

Silver Crusade

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I didn't. I've been rickrolled so many times I can't count it on two hands anymore.

I like the song, though. It's grown on me.

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