Views on sexuality in the Campaign Setting


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See? Maturity! Like me! *snicker-snicker-snort!*


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Tacticslion wrote:
See? Maturity! Like me! *snicker-snicker-snort!*

Stop it!


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xavier c wrote:
Stop it!

Stop your face!

Please be aware that this is purely for the purpose of humor and enjoyment, and not to be taken seriously in any regard.


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Growing old: required.

Growing up? Optional.


Mackenzie Kavanaugh wrote:
Oh, definitely Sarenrae... and I imagine even Iomedae has a few children here and there. Regarding Abadar though... he has a perfect copy of everything stored away in the First Vault. You know what they say about 'practice makes perfect'? He must practice a LOT to get perfect copies of everything.

IIRC I heard somewhere that Sarenrae, Desna and Shelyn are all lovers (I think it was those three). As for Iomedae, One of her divine agents, Peace Through Vigilance, is a Unique Celestial Gold Dragon who refers to Iomedae as "mother", which leads to speculation that he is Iomedae's son by way of Aspu.


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Mackenzie Kavanaugh wrote:


Asmodeus... probably wouldn't care. His priests on the other hand probably would. Concepts like 'racial purity' are inherently lawful evil, and I can definitely see his priesthood promoting such.

Oh yes, they very much do. Tieflings are NOT liked in Cheliax. You bind devils to do your bidding, but you don't have sex with them. It specifically says that in Cheliax, Empire of Devils

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Now I'm wondering about crazy ways Golarion parents have to scare their children away from sex (except with the marriage partner they arrange).

I bet there are several variations of "If you have sex before you marry, the baby will be a tiefling!"


CrinosG wrote:
Mackenzie Kavanaugh wrote:
Oh, definitely Sarenrae... and I imagine even Iomedae has a few children here and there. Regarding Abadar though... he has a perfect copy of everything stored away in the First Vault. You know what they say about 'practice makes perfect'? He must practice a LOT to get perfect copies of everything.
IIRC I heard somewhere that Sarenrae, Desna and Shelyn are all lovers (I think it was those three). As for Iomedae, One of her divine agents, Peace Through Vigilance, is a Unique Celestial Gold Dragon who refers to Iomedae as "mother", which leads to speculation that he is Iomedae's son by way of Aspu.

I started out believing that this is correct - that it was even stated by James Jacobs.

However after an exhaustive nope search, I could only find this to even remotely back that up, while this tends to... uh... move away from the three-fold lovers thing (unless Sarenrae takes a page from Soccothbenoth's book... well, sort of... ish... anyway...).

It may well be that Shelyn and Desna have something, however, and possibly Desna and Sarenrae, though again that latter link makes it seem less likely.

The thing about Iomedae is correct, though, and, while not in the wiki, it is found in her article in the Council of Thieves pt. 2: The Sixfold Trial AP entry. Specifically:

Quote:
Peace Through Vigilance: This celestial young gold dragon never sits still for more than a moment, preferring to dart and coil about in anticipation of where he might be needed next, and rarely lets his summoner get a word in edgewise. He likes to take charge in situations where his strength and magic are especially suited for a task. He refers to his patron as “Mother Iomedae,” leading some to believe that he is the offspring of the Inheritor and Apsu, god of the good dragons. He prizes gems and is especially friendly toward mortals who offer them for his services.


xavier c wrote:
Such as do you think the subject of sexuality should be explored?

About as much as 'what it means to be an Elf' should be explored.


... which is actually a really cool an interesting psychological topic, Shifty. Dang it. Now I need to think about that for a while.


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Tacticslion wrote:
... which is actually a really cool an interesting psychological topic, Shifty. Dang it. Now I need to think about that for a while.

Thinking about it for 89 years would be a good start...

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"I'm going to live long enough that I'm going to have to solve the problems I start." Is probably an important existential realization of elves.

It goes well with both Desna, who is regularly trying to fix her screw-ups (Ghaulander anyone?), and Calistria, who looks to avenge all slights against herself.

The ironic thing though is that with such a cavalier attitude to sex, Calistria has probably incited a few of the slights in carelessness. Her entry in Inner Sea Gods mentions that many elves find the idea of life-long marriage unimaginably boring.

This all begs the question. How experimental is the average Golarion elf?


Given the existence of half-elves as a "core" race...

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xavier c wrote:

It is good to see people are being mature. and my thead did not get locked.

Do you think gods like Iomedae, Sarenrae and Abadar are sexual?

I don't know about the inheritor herself, but one of the characters in Dave Gross' Tales novels Queen of Thorns and King of Chaos is an elven paladin of Iomedae. Oparal, the aforementioned paladin, is the subject of a couple of jokes regarding her inability to think about love in the context of relationships. Some of her subordinates are lovers, and it takes Radovan, a charming Tiefling rogue, to point that out to her.


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Always teh sex. Teh sex is teh hot. Always teh sex.

Seriously though, the extent to which sexuality plays a part in a campaign is entirely up to the group playing, and how much they're comfortable with entertaining during a gaming session.

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CrinosG wrote:
IIRC I heard somewhere that Sarenrae, Desna and Shelyn are all lovers (I think it was those three).

Well, I can't say I've seen any canonical references, but I've seen some fanart...

(And, no, I'm not linking it.)

Spoiler:
You naughty, naughty perv!


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I would be a little worried around a fallen Paladin and a Calistrian. Thats a hope skip and a jump from Anti-Paladin of the Savored Sting there. You sure you have not possibly offended an elf, or other person with a panache for yellow?


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xavier c wrote:

...do you think the subject of sexuality should be explored?

such as with a pathfinder Campaign Setting book?
Does sex ever come up in your games?
What do you want to see in the future related to sexuality?

No.

No.
No.
Nothing.

(But then, that's just our group.)

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David Neilson wrote:
I would be a little worried around a fallen Paladin and a Calistrian. Thats a hope skip and a jump from Anti-Paladin of the Savored Sting there. You sure you have not possibly offended an elf, or other person with a panache for yellow?

I'm the GM of that game, the Calistrian's Chaotic Neutral, and the ex-paladins true neutral and just a lonely old man. So no, they'll be fine in this instance.

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I feel like this has to be repeated a lot, but sex (the act) and sexuality (the personality component) aren't the same thing.

It's very easy to have a campaign without any sex in it.

It's nearly impossible to have a campaign without sexuality in it, unless no one's married, no one's in love, no one's flirty, no one mentions that anyone's attractive, and no one has kids or parents.

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Jessica Price wrote:

I feel like this has to be repeated a lot, but sex (the act) and sexuality (the personality component) aren't the same thing.

It's very easy to have a campaign without any sex in it.

It's nearly impossible to have a campaign without sexuality in it, unless no one's married, no one's in love, no one's flirty, no one mentions that anyone's attractive, and no one has kids or parents.

THANK YOU for saying this. Even if your character doesn't have any interest in sex, and it never comes up, they never mention that someone is pretty that character is likely asexual. Which is a type of sexuality.

The Barbarian hitting on a barmaid (or bar.. dude?) that's sexuality.

The Paladin professing undying (but chivalric, and therefore form afar) love for some noblewoman. That's still sexuality.

The Dwarf deciding to settle down with another Dwarf, and go about the business of setting up hearth and home. That's still sexuality.

Most creatures are sexual in nature.

The only way you could completely exclude sexulaity from your game is have everyone be andriods.


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David Neilson wrote:
I would be a little worried around a fallen Paladin and a Calistrian. Thats a hope skip and a jump from Anti-Paladin of the Savored Sting there. You sure you have not possibly offended an elf, or other person with a panache for yellow?

Uh-oh. Is that the Yellow Sign I see stamped on that wall over there?

This is going to be unpleasant.


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Jessica Price wrote:

It's nearly impossible to have a campaign without sexuality in it, unless no one's married, no one's in love, no one's flirty, no one mentions that anyone's attractive, and no one has kids or parents.

Highschool had a lot of campaigns like that. Players learn early on that connections are only fodder for the DM to use against you to lure you into a deathtrap!


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Mystic_Snowfang wrote:


THANK YOU for saying this. Even if your character doesn't have any interest in sex, and it never comes up, they never mention that someone is pretty that character is likely asexual. Which is a type of sexuality.

The Barbarian hitting on a barmaid (or bar.. dude?) that's sexuality.

The Paladin professing undying (but chivalric, and therefore form afar) love for some noblewoman. That's still sexuality.

The Dwarf deciding to settle down with another Dwarf, and go about the business of setting up hearth and home. That's still sexuality.

Most creatures are sexual in nature.

The only way you could completely exclude sexulaity from your game is have everyone be andriods.

Even that is no guarantee. All it takes is for one android to find a Barry While album.

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It's not at all difficult to run a campaign where the sexuality of PCs doesn't matter.

-Skeld

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Skeld wrote:

It's not at all difficult to run a campaign where the sexuality of PCs doesn't matter.

-Skeld

Skeld's right! You just need to ask anybody who brings up those filthy topics to leave your house right now. It's thaaat simple. Duh!


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Jessica Price wrote:

It's nearly impossible to have a campaign without sexuality in it, unless no one's married, no one's in love, no one's flirty, no one mentions that anyone's attractive, and no one has kids or parents.

Highschool had a lot of campaigns like that. Players learn early on that connections are only fodder for the DM to use against you to lure you into a deathtrap!

The we go into dungeon and loot it and then sell it to faceless shopper of indefinite gender at the shop conveniently near of the entrance?

I would like to point out that when the quest is to kill monsters because they spill out of dungeon it is likely meaning that they were breeding and raids on surface are probably a way of dealing with overpopulation of said dungeon.

Unless those were constructs/undeads.


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Shadowborn wrote:

Always teh sex. Teh sex is teh hot. Always teh sex.

Seriously though, the extent to which sexuality plays a part in a campaign is entirely up to the group playing, and how much they're comfortable with entertaining during a gaming session.

Yeah, and the OP is asking what the other groups are comfortable with. It's not like everyone who does not like to talk about sexuality of their characters is forced to read or comment in this thread.


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Gorbacz wrote:
Skeld wrote:

It's not at all difficult to run a campaign where the sexuality of PCs doesn't matter.

-Skeld

Skeld's right! You just need to ask anybody who brings up those filthy topics to leave your house right now. It's thaaat simple. Duh!

Hush Gorbacz, you oversnarked this one, because Skeld is correct. The question how many players want to play campaigns where sexuality of their characters matter, how many doesn't care, and how many want to play campaigns where sexuality of PCs is deliberately left unexplored is another matter.


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Gorbacz wrote:
Skeld wrote:

It's not at all difficult to run a campaign where the sexuality of PCs doesn't matter.

-Skeld

Skeld's right! You just need to ask anybody who brings up those filthy topics to leave your house right now. It's thaaat simple. Duh!

Yep. All games must be family-friendly in my group...which consists of myself, 3 of my 5 sons and a few of their friends.

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I always expose my players* to sexuality without warning. If somebody jumps through the window in anguish, well, I live on the ground floor.

* I don't run games for kids, on a principle.


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Fourshadow wrote:
Yep. All games must be family-friendly in my group...which consists of myself, 3 of my 5 sons and a few of their friends.

This is awesome! Congrats, man!

Gorbacz wrote:
I always expose my players* to sexuality without warning. If somebody jumps through the window in anguish, well, I live on the ground floor.

I know all your wicked tricks, Eastern Euro-scum! I lived, like, next door to your country for most of a decade! Boo! Hiss! Burn the witch! Like a duck! The Euros are planning on invading our country! The end is nigh! Buy gold! Buy!

(I may still be a bit bitter about stinging eyeballs and evil Euro rays...)

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Man, I grew up on German and Swedish 70 and 80s porn. Nature vs. Nurture and all that.

So did most of my players.

Except for my wife, she grew up on hentai, which shows every time we encounter a roper, an aboleth, a chaos beast or some other slimy tentacled thing...


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Fourshadow wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
Skeld wrote:

It's not at all difficult to run a campaign where the sexuality of PCs doesn't matter.

-Skeld

Skeld's right! You just need to ask anybody who brings up those filthy topics to leave your house right now. It's thaaat simple. Duh!
Yep. All games must be family-friendly in my group...which consists of myself, 3 of my 5 sons and a few of their friends.

Note that "sexuality" does not have to be non family-friendly.

Romance is sexuality. Parents are sexuality. The married couple working the bar is sexuality.

It's not the same as "sexual activity".


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Gorbacz wrote:
Man, I grew up on German and Swedish 70 and 80s porn. Nature vs. Nurture and all that.

With you Euros it doesn't matter!

Man, I know I'm just joking, but, uh... just in case: I don't mean that, and most of you guys are awesome. Conscience: it prevents me from being too mean without saying that I'm just kidding around, even when it's obvious.

Gorbacz wrote:
Except for my wife, she grew up on hentai, which shows every time we encounter a roper, an aboleth, a chaos beast or some other slimy tentacled thing...

I don't... I just... I... you... uh... huh.


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Gorbacz wrote:

I always expose my players* to sexuality without warning. If somebody jumps through the window in anguish, well, I live on the ground floor.

* I don't run games for kids, on a principle.

In Gorbacz defense it needs to be said that he ended marrying one of his players (gorgeous blonde - I saw photos). So not everyone jumped through window in anguish. Or at least jumped in anguish but then returned.

Tacticslion wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
Except for my wife, she grew up on hentai, which shows every time we encounter a roper, an aboleth, a chaos beast or some other slimy tentacled thing...
I don't... I just... I... you... uh... huh.

Definitely uh-huh.

*note to self: do not think about Gorbacz's beautiful wife in context of tentacle-focused hentai any hentai*


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Drejk wrote:


I would like to point out that when the quest is to kill monsters because they spill out of dungeon it is likely meaning that they were breeding and raids on surface are probably a way of dealing with overpopulation of said dungeon.

Unless those were constructs/undeads.

2 ogres in a 10 foot by 10 foot room guarding a chest. I don't think any thought went into how they got there.


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Ms. Pleiades wrote:
Recently finished a session where the group's swashbuckler got invited be the third party in a threesome with a half-elf Calistrian, and a fallen paladin.

You didn't mention the gender of even one of the three.

Now I think the gender of a person is irrelevant to a lot things, perhaps most, but not when it comes to having sex with someone or a group.


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Joynt Jezebel wrote:
Ms. Pleiades wrote:
Recently finished a session where the group's swashbuckler got invited be the third party in a threesome with a half-elf Calistrian, and a fallen paladin.

You didn't mention the gender of even one of the three.

Now I think the gender of a person is irrelevant to a lot things, perhaps most, but not when it comes to having sex with someone or a group.

It matters at least as much as Ikea instructions.


Shifty wrote:
xavier c wrote:
Such as do you think the subject of sexuality should be explored?
About as much as 'what it means to be an Elf' should be explored.

Sexuality, sex and philosophy all have a place in my home games, which tend to be heavy on roleplaying, character interaction and game world immersion. A Song of Ice and Fire (the books series not the show) was introduced to me by a player saying it was weirdly like our games, what with the politics, character development, in game social commentary by characters of the society they live in etc.

When dealing with sex itself my rule is to keep it on a level that makes no one uncomfortable, thus it plays to the tastes of the most prudish person playing, as it were. The best way I've found to do this is instead of trying to figure out what makes each person uncomfortable ahead of time(especially because a lot of times you don't know what makes you uncomfortable till it is happening) just make it clear what subject matter may come up in the game and say that if anything makes you uncomfortable please speak up and say so and we will alter the flow of the game to make you comfortable.

Having played with the same completely open group of friends for many years pretty much anything goes in that series of games but when playing with new people I tend it keep it on a more traditional appropriateness level until we are friends and such things have been figured out one way or another.


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Drejk wrote:


I would like to point out that when the quest is to kill monsters because they spill out of dungeon it is likely meaning that they were breeding and raids on surface are probably a way of dealing with overpopulation of said dungeon.

Unless those were constructs/undeads.

2 ogres in a 10 foot by 10 foot room guarding a chest. I don't think any thought went into how they got there.

Wait a minute 2 ogres in a 10' by 10' room....what are they doing squeezing in like that.


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Nezzmith wrote:


Or another promiscuous female PC whose rampant trysts got under the skin of of one of her companions, a pious Oracle. But only after several years of adventuring together (Many many many sessions) revealed to the Oracle she was the wife of a Taldorian Noble, but fled from him when it was revealed she was barren, fearing for her life since women of her station unable to have children usually ended up "falling off of balconies."

This is most interesting.

Of all the women I know or have read about there is only one that strikes me as certainly a real nymphomaniac, that is a woman with a need to have sex with most men they meet. That is the deceased wife of Salvatore Dali, Galatea. According to her biography, Galatea, though never retiring, became a nymphomaniac only after a hysterectomy, ie becoming infertile.

So the player of this female PC was perhaps displaying a lot of insight. Infertility can cause insecurity about a woman's femininity and promiscuity can provide reassurance. I would think this would be more true in societies where fertility in a woman is vital.

The term nymphomaniac or nympho gets applied to any promiscuous woman often. But promiscuity can arise for various reasons, probably most of them not pathological.

One sad trend is female characters played by males in RPGs often behave like women in porn movies.


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Drejk wrote:


I would like to point out that when the quest is to kill monsters because they spill out of dungeon it is likely meaning that they were breeding and raids on surface are probably a way of dealing with overpopulation of said dungeon.

Unless those were constructs/undeads.

2 ogres in a 10 foot by 10 foot room guarding a chest. I don't think any thought went into how they got there.
Wait a minute 2 ogres in a 10' by 10' room....what are they doing squeezing in like that.

If I remember correctly BNW is old enough for it to be AD&D, which had much more tame ogres than Pathfinder, thankfully.


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Joynt Jezebel wrote:
Ms. Pleiades wrote:
Recently finished a session where the group's swashbuckler got invited be the third party in a threesome with a half-elf Calistrian, and a fallen paladin.

You didn't mention the gender of even one of the three.

Now I think the gender of a person is irrelevant to a lot things, perhaps most, but not when it comes to having sex with someone or a group.

It matters at least as much as Ikea instructions.

I didn't know Ikea sold sex partners.

Scarab Sages

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Joynt Jezebel wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Joynt Jezebel wrote:
Ms. Pleiades wrote:
Recently finished a session where the group's swashbuckler got invited be the third party in a threesome with a half-elf Calistrian, and a fallen paladin.

You didn't mention the gender of even one of the three.

Now I think the gender of a person is irrelevant to a lot things, perhaps most, but not when it comes to having sex with someone or a group.

It matters at least as much as Ikea instructions.
I didn't know Ikea sold sex partners.

Then you haven't fully explored the sensual possibilities of plastic plants.


BigNorseWolf wrote:
Drejk wrote:


I would like to point out that when the quest is to kill monsters because they spill out of dungeon it is likely meaning that they were breeding and raids on surface are probably a way of dealing with overpopulation of said dungeon.

Unless those were constructs/undeads.

2 ogres in a 10 foot by 10 foot room guarding a chest. I don't think any thought went into how they got there.

Yeah, I remember AD&D too. A giant in a large room reached only by a 10' wide corridor. Apartly he went in as a baby and hasn't left since? Who knows what he eats.

But most games, even back then, went beyond that. Even the Caves of Chaos had tribes with women and children. Usually a couple of females for the chief.

Single encounters fine. They'll often have no reference to sexuality. It's harder to get an entire campaign that way without descending into parody of the genre.

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Gorbacz wrote:
Skeld wrote:

It's not at all difficult to run a campaign where the sexuality of PCs doesn't matter.

-Skeld

Skeld's right! You just need to ask anybody who brings up those filthy topics to leave your house right now. It's thaaat simple. Duh!

Oh puh-leez, my dear toothybag. I haven't kicked anyone out of my house for mentioning "teh sex" yet. Unless the sexuality of a PC/NPC becomes a plot point or drives their actions in-game (either by design or through the acts of a PC), their sexuality doesn't matter because not actions or outcomes hinge upon it.

-Skeld


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Gorbacz wrote:

Man, I grew up on German and Swedish 70 and 80s porn. Nature vs. Nurture and all that.

So did most of my players.

Except for my wife, she grew up on hentai, which shows every time we encounter a roper, an aboleth, a chaos beast or some other slimy tentacled thing...

I grew up on both!

puts one arm around 70's porn and another around hentai

Thank you for making me into the man I am today.


Mystic_Snowfang wrote:
Ms. Pleiades wrote:

I can see Lymnieris being considered a stodgy, no-fun-allowed deity by particular groups in Pathfinder's world.

"Obedience: Lie on a hard, flat surface wearing nothing but a

cowl. Concentrate on the feeling of the surface and the air
while achieving sexual release without touching yourself."

"
devotees who wish to fulfill their sexual desires but who are
restrained by culture or tradition."

And from his description it comes down to one word.... sexy as all get out. He's always covered in a thin layer of persperation, meaning that his perfectly chisled muscled jade green body is glistening as he moves about (likely shirtless). He also often entertains Arshea. Make of that what you will.

Sounds like my kinda god.

reaches through time and space to give him the fistbump of approval

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