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Spell trigger / completion items don't work in conundrum with the share spells ability: FAQ
Kraang is correct.
(same goes for casting spells from a wand into ioun stones etc)
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Spell trigger / completion items don't work in conundrum with the share spells ability: FAQ
(same goes for casting spells from a wand into ioun stones etc)
Ummm, I don't agree. This FAQ is non-responsive to this issue for two reasons.
1) Share Spells is not modifying Shield.
Unless they specifically state otherwise, feats and abilities that modify spells you cast only affect actual spellcasting, not using magic items that emulate spellcasting or work like spellcasting.
All of the examples given in this question are feats or abilities which change the function (i.e. "modify" it) of the spell. Examples listed: Augment Summoning, Spell Focus, an evoker's ability to do extra damage.
2) More importantly, Share Spells is not a Summoner special ability. It is an eidolon's special ability. The eidolon is not casting the spell, and thus is not "modifying" Shield (if you believe that Sharing Spells is a modification).
It seems to me that the purpose of Share Spells is to enable the summoner to cast Range: You spells or non-outsider-affecting spells on his eidolon. Disallowing a summoner list spell from being cast on an eidolon negates this ability.
I searched the FAQ and Paizo.com Rules Forums for more specific rules clarifications on this topic, but didn't find. Anybody find anything more explicit? I admit my paizo.com-fu is not Master-level.
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Spell trigger / completion items don't work in conundrum with the share spells ability: FAQ
(same goes for casting spells from a wand into ioun stones etc)
Ummm, I don't agree. This FAQ is non-responsive to this issue for two reasons.
1) Share Spells is not modifying Shield.
Unless they specifically state otherwise, feats and abilities that modify spells you cast only affect actual spellcasting, not using magic items that emulate spellcasting or work like spellcasting.All of the examples given in this question are feats or abilities which change the function (i.e. "modify" it) of the spell. Examples listed: Augment Summoning, Spell Focus, an evoker's ability to do extra damage.
2) More importantly, Share Spells is not a Summoner special ability. It is an eidolon's special ability. The eidolon is not casting the spell, and thus is not "modifying" Shield (if you believe that Sharing Spells is a modification).
It seems to me that the purpose of Share Spells is to enable the summoner to cast Range: You spells or non-outsider-affecting spells on his eidolon. Disallowing a summoner list spell from being cast on an eidolon negates this ability.
I searched the FAQ and Paizo.com Rules Forums for more specific rules clarifications on this topic, but didn't find. Anybody find anything more explicit? I admit my paizo.com-fu is not Master-level.
I really don't want to be that guy.. x) There's hardly any consensus on this or threads on the boards. I've had the same argument a little while ago with my local VL and the conclusion was that it wasn't possible for the following reasons (in order of argument):
1) Share spells does actually modify it; as it changes its range from "You" to "Touch":
Share Spells (Ex): The summoner may cast a spell with a target of “you” on his eidolon (as a spell with a range of touch) instead of on himself.
2) I agree with you on this.
However, bottom line is:
3) Using a spell trigger or spell completion item does not count as "casting a spell" and therefore doesn't meet the base requirement.
And of course a summoner can cast any spell with a range of "You" on his eidolon (like a druid could), but not from wands or scrolls.
I'd like some clarification on this as well, but since the FAQ is the only reference we've got, it was ruled as a 'no' in the Netherlands area where i'm from (although they do tend to rule on the side of "avoid rules debates" here).
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Yeah... can't really agree with you here. The FAQ seems to be focused on preventing metamagicking of wands, staves, spell-like and supernatural abilities.
Share Spells doesn't modify the wand or the spell cast from the wand. If anything, it modifies the eidolon, making it an eligible target. This is in line with the spirit of the ability and logical, since the ability is the eidolon's, not the summoner's.
Share Spells is an ability meant to make the eidolon an eligible target for such spells.
Since that 'Netherlands' rule would also affect me, I'm going to go with 'no' here. It makes sense to me as well.
We're almost finished on the 5-03 table. Can I get day job rolls, please, for those who haven't already rolled them, as well as a summary of
-Player name
-PFS#
-Day job roll
-Faction
I've got two sets of fresh chronicles:
Chronicles for Hellknight's Feast
Chronicles for Dawn of the Scarlet Sun
Let me know if everything is correct.
A single xp, it is one of those free rpg day modules
Sorry I'm late. Long story but if I'll be back at lunch to post assuming I'm still invited.
GGG
Yes, you still are. Enjoy your lunch!
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I've got two sets of fresh chronicles:
Chronicles for Hellknight's Feast
Chronicles for Dawn of the Scarlet Sun
Let me know if everything is correct.
Ru's chronicle looks good. Thanks for running, DM!
At the Stolen Heir table, we're waiting for two more players to join. I've PM'ed them, so I'm giving them so more time to join.
Can I have this info for the other Stolen Heir players as well? That way I can keep it in one place
We're nearing the end of Table I of the Penumbral Accords. Can I have
-Player name
-PFS#
-Faction
-Day job
for those who haven't rolled yet. If you've rolled already, can you please quote again? Saves me some time looking up :)
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I think we're still close enough to the start to allow that, so go ahead.
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I think we're still close enough to the start to allow that, so go ahead.
Thanks alot :D
Thought it best to ask first. It's really my own fault for not doing more research into gunslinger class.
Edit: Fixed! Thanks to Hero lab they had a option to use the craft function on ammo. All that's different is I have a little less gold, but lots of ammo.
-Day Job-
I'm not sure what you mean, but you roll the day job before the chronicle is applied. Any benefits you would get after applying the chronicle cannot be used for the day job. Does that help?
Post-heads-up (Lost Stolen Heir--Shonne): Sunday I'll be coming off the last of three 80-hour work weeks (job transitioning), so I should be a bit more post reliable starting Monday again (though 50-66 hours will be my new normal at work). Sorry for any headaches.
-G3