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Aren't 90% f all humans some shade of True Neutral? They may lean towards one alignment or another, must most of them lack the conviction to become Good/Evil/Lawful/Chaotic with a capital letter.
I any case... Babies are jerks! Kill'em all!
(I also find it funny that someone considers talking about a different crime to be offensive, but a whole a thread about murdering babies is a-okay!)
Yeah.
Heard that Hitler joke? I love making fun of Hitler! That genocidal bastard!
Wait, did you joke about John Wayne Gacy? That guy raped people, you can't make fun of him.
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Luckily, I have not been in a situation where babies of any race were present in any encounter in over 30 years to have to decide whether to kill them or not. Its never come up in play, neither has the philisophical question of doing so or not. Besides most of PCs have been neutrally aligned, so it wouldn't be a serious question should it ever occur.
Luckily, I have not been in a situation where babies of any race were present in any encounter in over 30 years to have to decide whether to kill them or not. Its never come up in play, neither has the philisophical question of doing so or not.
It just has, right now. WHAT DO YOU DO?!?
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Back on OP's topic... The Paladin should take all six babies back to. lawful good temple to be raised as Paladins, anything else is a fall and results in all levels converted to Anti-paladin immediately.
aah but then if he doesn't kill the babies train them to antipaladin hood, sacrifice them to a demonic or otherwise evil god, or eat them then he falls up and become a paladin of freedom.
I assume he also gets an eagle animal companion two pairs of mirrored shades (one for him one for the bird), a cape with a red/blue/white design with stripes and stars on it, and shotgun proficiency.
Satisfy my stomach first, and then my vows as a Paladin.
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Aren't 90% f all humans some shade of True Neutral? They may lean towards one alignment or another, must most of them lack the conviction to become Good/Evil/Lawful/Chaotic with a capital letter.
I any case... Babies are jerks! Kill'em all!
(I also find it funny that someone considers talking about a different crime to be offensive, but a whole a thread about murdering babies is a-okay!)
Yeah.
Heard that Hitler joke? I love making fun of Hitler! That genocidal bastard!
Wait, did you joke about John Wayne Gacy? That guy raped people, you can't make fun of him.
ಠ_ಠ
hitler? You mean time magazine man of the year (I wanna say 1938), the famos vegetian statesman?
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Aren't 90% f all humans some shade of True Neutral? They may lean towards one alignment or another, must most of them lack the conviction to become Good/Evil/Lawful/Chaotic with a capital letter.
I any case... Babies are jerks! Kill'em all!
(I also find it funny that someone considers talking about a different crime to be offensive, but a whole a thread about murdering babies is a-okay!)
Yeah.
Heard that Hitler joke? I love making fun of Hitler! That genocidal bastard!
Wait, did you joke about John Wayne Gacy? That guy raped people, you can't make fun of him.
ಠ_ಠ
hitler? You mean time magazine man of the year (I wanna say 1938), the famos vegetian statesman?
I know.
Luckily, I have not been in a situation where babies of any race were present in any encounter in over 30 years to have to decide whether to kill them or not. Its never come up in play, neither has the philisophical question of doing so or not.It just has, right now. WHAT DO YOU DO?!?
The same as I'd always do - nothing.
As a neutral character, I don't have to make any decision - let nature takes its course. If the babies live they live, if not, they die, but not by my hand. I've got no problems creating orphans, but no perceptible reason to kill a baby evil or not. Besides I generally don't attack someone based on alignment, rather if they're trying to kill me or not, otherwise, in most cases I avoid combat unless absolutely necessary.
Aren't 90% f all humans some shade of True Neutral? They may lean towards one alignment or another, must most of them lack the conviction to become Good/Evil/Lawful/Chaotic with a capital letter.
I any case... Babies are jerks! Kill'em all!
(I also find it funny that someone considers talking about a different crime to be offensive, but a whole a thread about murdering babies is a-okay!)
Yeah.
Heard that Hitler joke? I love making fun of Hitler! That genocidal bastard!
Wait, did you joke about John Wayne Gacy? That guy raped people, you can't make fun of him.
ಠ_ಠ
hitler? You mean time magazine man of the year (I wanna say 1938), the famos vegetian statesman?
I know.
Isn't the "man of the year" thing based on influence and impact on the world, rather than on morality? If so, it makes perfect sense...
As evil as he was, no one can deny that Hitler had a huge impact on the world... The fact that he's the internet's go-to "real life super villain" is proof of that.
What would the penalty for using the babies as sling ammunition be? I mean, setting aside the issue of murdering, we know at least that not recycling is more evil than recycling...
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What would the penalty for using the babies as sling ammunition be?
Don't be silly, Sissyl! There would be no penalty! That's just nature working as intended!
Babies naturally evolved to be catapulted over long distances!
I find claiming 50% of humanity is good or evil cheapens both elements.
I find it more likely that 85% are neutral with leanings towards either direction, and the remaining percent are the more extremes and actually count as Good, or Evil, to the extend to spells would actually affect them different.
Aren't 90% f all humans some shade of True Neutral? They may lean towards one alignment or another, must most of them lack the conviction to become Good/Evil/Lawful/Chaotic with a capital letter.
I any case... Babies are jerks! Kill'em all!
(I also find it funny that someone considers talking about a different crime to be offensive, but a whole a thread about murdering babies is a-okay!)
Yeah.
Heard that Hitler joke? I love making fun of Hitler! That genocidal bastard!
Wait, did you joke about John Wayne Gacy? That guy raped people, you can't make fun of him.
ಠ_ಠ
hitler? You mean time magazine man of the year (I wanna say 1938), the famos vegetian statesman?
I know.
Isn't the "man of the year" thing based on influence and impact on the world, rather than on morality? If so, it makes perfect sense...
As evil as he was, no one can deny that Hitler had a huge impact on the world... The fact that he's the internet's go-to "real life super villain" is proof of that.
In 1938, before WWII, Hitler was still perceived as neutral, perhaps even good considering that he was a very influential public speaker who motivated a nation crippled by WWI reparations into a world leading, industrialized powerhouse in just a few short years. He unified the government through sheer force of personality (and a little arson). Well into the 40's, Hitler was not viewed by Americans as evil, rather he was respected for being a win at all costs, no such thing as cheating, small town Vienna success story.
He was on the cover of Time because Time was reporting according to contemporary attitudes rather than rewriting history and denying culpability, which is what the majority of Hitler's demonization and status as the greatest evil to have ever walked the planet amounts to IMHO.
Regarding the babies, a gladiatorial contest to the death will separate the wheat from the chaff is short order. Chunderdome: six babies enter, one baby leaves. Who runs Bartertown? Paladins run Bartertown!
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The correct answer is all the babies must be killed because you can't know which half are good and which half are bad.
Ergo, kill them all, let Pharasma sort them out.
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Luckily, I have not been in a situation where babies of any race were present in any encounter in over 30 years to have to decide whether to kill them or not. Its never come up in play, neither has the philisophical question of doing so or not.It just has, right now. WHAT DO YOU DO?!?The same as I'd always do - nothing.
As a neutral character, I don't have to make any decision - let nature takes its course. If the babies live they live, if not, they die, but not by my hand. I've got no problems creating orphans, but no perceptible reason to kill a baby evil or not. Besides I generally don't attack someone based on alignment, rather if they're trying to kill me or not, otherwise, in most cases I avoid combat unless absolutely necessary.
You're just going to abandon innocent little babies to the elements with no one to take care of them, likely to die of starvation or thirst within a few days, if not environmental exposures?
Man, that's just evil.
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I have a great idea cast holy word that way even if the babies get killed, it's still a "good" act, because the spell has a good descriptor,
Just like summoning up a skeleton to defend innocents, say an orphanage for aasimars, or an old folks home for the good aligned retired adventurers, from demons would be an evil act.
I have a great idea cast holy word that way even if the babies get killed, it's still a "good" act, because the spell has a good descriptor,
Just like summoning up a skeleton to defend innocents, say an opus age for aasimars, or an old folks home for the good aligned retired adventurers, from demons would be an evil act.
Brilliant! The babies will only die they're non-good anyway, in which case, they got what they deserved...bunch of evil and/or wishy-washy babies!
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Gosh, making this thread seemed like such a good idea at the time...
do we really need another thread on babykilling. killing infants is not something a holy knight of honor and justice should be doing. if those children were 6 year olds pointing crossbows at you with hostile conviction, then you can kill them. because they post a legitimate minor threat that could cost you your life if you leave them without interference. but for infants, just put them in a bag of holding and deliver them to the orphanage at the next town you find.
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And try not to forget about them in there. That gets seriously awkward.
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Oh and the math on it, having reviewed things a little bit-- if you go on the presumption of how many of them will grow up to be evil, you only get to kill 1 of them. Good luck figuring out which one.
The true figures out of six seem to be 1 will grow up to be evil (maybe-- 16 2/3% become evil might be a little high), 1 will grow up to be good (maybe-- same problem as with the "destined to be evil" baby), and 4 will be neutral when they grow up...
But only if "nature" outweighs "nurture". :P Then it's back to "You need to take them somewhere that will raise them up on the paths of the righteous!"
(oh yes, this whole thread is satire-- enough so, that I, who have triggering issues related to real-live experiences in war zones regarding infanticide among other crimes against humanity, am not overly bothered by the "discussion" here-- but don' start taking any of this thread too seriously, and take the advice given earlier: walk away if it starts getting to you...)
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Aren't 90% f all humans some shade of True Neutral? They may lean towards one alignment or another, must most of them lack the conviction to become Good/Evil/Lawful/Chaotic with a capital letter.
I any case... Babies are jerks! Kill'em all!
(I also find it funny that someone considers talking about a different crime to be offensive, but a whole a thread about murdering babies is a-okay!)
Yeah.
Heard that Hitler joke? I love making fun of Hitler! That genocidal bastard!
Wait, did you joke about John Wayne Gacy? That guy raped people, you can't make fun of him.
ಠ_ಠ
hitler? You mean time magazine man of the year (I wanna say 1938), the famos vegetian statesman?
I know.
"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it."
- VoltaireI for one approve of this thread's satirical leanings after having seen a few of the latest doozies.
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Remember folks, according to an ancient secret society.... The first joke ever recorded, on an ancient Egyptian tablet, was a dead baby joke.
Remember folks, according to an ancient secret society.... The first joke ever recorded, on an ancient Egyptian tablet, was a dead baby joke.
That wasn't the first joke ever recorded, it was just the first dead baby joke ever recorded.
Ooh, Hitler arguments on an alignment thread. In under two pages' time? Is that a new record? Usually it doesn't hit this stride until like five or six, right?
I usually ask players who ask these kind of questions, "Would you do that in our society? Right here, right now?". For some reason, most of them remain silent.
When people ask if I've ever been convicted of murder, I say "convicted?".
do we really need another thread on babykilling. killing infants is not something a holy knight of honor and justice should be doing. if those children were 6 year olds pointing crossbows at you with hostile conviction, then you can kill them. because they post a legitimate minor threat that could cost you your life if you leave them without interference. but for infants, just put them in a bag of holding and deliver them to the orphanage at the next town you find.
I so want to have this in a game now. I'm pretty sure the result would be laughter, not a feeling of being threatened. :P
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"Okay, Pharaoh, we killed all those babies you wanted."
"What?!"
"Yeah, it was a bit tricky, but we searched everywhere but the Nile for babies. No way did any of them survive."
"Why? Why would you ever—oh. Oh, s&!$."
"We followed this decree you made—"
"No. Please no. S++!."
"It was on this tablet we found lying around. We figured it was like your wishlist. Well, happy birthday!"
"..."
"...so, do we deserve a promotion, or what?"
do we really need another thread on babykilling. killing infants is not something a holy knight of honor and justice should be doing. if those children were 6 year olds pointing crossbows at you with hostile conviction, then you can kill them. because they post a legitimate minor threat that could cost you your life if you leave them without interference. but for infants, just put them in a bag of holding and deliver them to the orphanage at the next town you find.I so want to have this in a game now. I'm pretty sure the result would be laughter, not a feeling of being threatened. :P
That laughter dies one round later when they're shot full of holes by the room full of Childlike halfling slayers.
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What would the penalty for using the babies as sling ammunition be? I mean, setting aside the issue of murdering, we know at least that not recycling is more evil than recycling...
Actually, there should be rather severe penalties for using babies as sling ammunition. At the very least you should impose the improvised weapon penalty (since babies are nnot streamlined for flying through the air) and the innappropriately sized weapon penalty (since a sling large enough to sling a baby is way too big for a size Medium character to use one handed).
That laughter dies one round later when they're shot full of holes by the room full of Childlike halfling slayers.do we really need another thread on babykilling. killing infants is not something a holy knight of honor and justice should be doing. if those children were 6 year olds pointing crossbows at you with hostile conviction, then you can kill them. because they post a legitimate minor threat that could cost you your life if you leave them without interference. but for infants, just put them in a bag of holding and deliver them to the orphanage at the next town you find.I so want to have this in a game now. I'm pretty sure the result would be laughter, not a feeling of being threatened. :P
When I read the idea to my housemate, that was his first guess as well.
Imagine the look on the players faces when after the first round of firing (which misses by a mile), the little ones can't even operate the winch to reload the crossbow.
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but for infants, just put them in a bag of holding and deliver them to the orphanage at the next town you find.
If living creatures are placed within the bag, they can survive for up to 10 minutes, after which time they suffocate.
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Meh, put a potted plant in with 'em. That'll give 'em oxygen, for, like...a while...
Meh, put a potted plant in with 'em. That'll give 'em oxygen, for, like...a while...
When plants are not exposed to light, they convert their sugar reserves to energy, and when they do so they convert O2 into CO2.
So you would need some sort of continual light spell to supply the plants with light. Too bad Continual Light isn't a spell anymore.
Why not just detect Evil and then kill the evil babies while sparing the good ones?
Seems reasonable to me, especially kill any of the babies holding lead sheets. Totally halflings in disguise.