Paizo: Resolve to do a Cull


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We get it, you're all about being inclusive. We're going with different stuff this year and the contest is changing.

For the love of all that is holy don't cull the cull. We need the cull!

Reasons to do the cull:
1) Reinvigorates voting.
2) Reinvigorates the boards.
3) Those who are culled learn to format and/or edit better next year.
4) Those that don't make top 100 list or favorites list can say "at least I survived the cull."
5) Lets those who are not fanatical voters see better quality of items.

Reasons not to do a cull:
1) Some people will be butthurt and not come back.
Counterpoint Those people will be butthurt anyway, such is the circle of life for a writer.
2) Some folks will be anxious about it.
Counterpoint the anxiety ridden are goign to be anxiety ridden no matter what.

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\(^o^)/

I can get behind this. But it is ultimately you guys' (Paizo's) call.

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I would be in favor of a cull.

Note: I was culled my first year.

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I can't speak for anyone besides my self, but my voting rate has dropped off substantially, due in no small part to growing weary of a) repetition, and b) seeing exactly the kind of items that would be culled. A culling would certainly reinvigorate my voting.

Keep Calm and Cull On

RPG Superstar 2015 Top 16 , Marathon Voter Season 8, Dedicated Voter Season 9 aka dien

I would love, if not a cull, an actual announcement that there will or won't be a cull. This is my first year voting, and from lurking here on the boards I at first got the notion that a cull was normal, took part every year, and was just part of the process. I decided that I would get to a certain point of voting in the early days, then wait for the cull to do another intensive round of voting, especially as I kept getting so many items that just were not possibly contenders, and I was getting burnt out on them.

Then I saw someone else saying that, no, a cull was only something introduced last year, and there's no guarantee we'll have one this year, etc. Which is fine if that's what Paizo decides, but knowing if I should be like "screw it, back to voting" instead of waiting for something that isn't going to come would be nice.

(*Okay I haven't stopped voting entirely but I do it in really small batches now.)

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dien wrote:

I would love, if not a cull, an actual announcement that there will or won't be a cull. This is my first year voting, and from lurking here on the boards I at first got the notion that a cull was normal, took part every year, and was just part of the process. I decided that I would get to a certain point of voting in the early days, then wait for the cull to do another intensive round of voting, especially as I kept getting so many items that just were not possibly contenders, and I was getting burnt out on them.

Then I saw someone else saying that, no, a cull was only something introduced last year, and there's no guarantee we'll have one this year, etc. Which is fine if that's what Paizo decides, but knowing if I should be like "screw it, back to voting" instead of waiting for something that isn't going to come would be nice.

(*Okay I haven't stopped voting entirely but I do it in really small batches now.)

Actually there has been a cull in both previous years of voting. The 2013 contest was the first to use this voting system and initially there was no intention to use a cull. But after two weeks it was decided that one would really help stir up the pot and concentrate things on the best items. So one got introduced and it really improved the voting process. At first it wasn't called a cull; we just sort of referred to it that way on the boards and it stuck.

Last year we only had a brief voting window. They still introduced the cull at the half mark and—once again—it really improved the items being seen and voted on.

So I'm still hopeful for one this year. While it won't improve my palate much, it will really help the people down at the Dedicated or below levels which make up the majority of the voters.

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There will be a cull. I can't give you a definitive cull date, but likely once everyone's returned from the holiday traveling :)

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Chris Lambertz wrote:
There will be a cull. I can't give you a definitive cull date, but likely once everyone's returned from the holiday traveling :)

Huzzah! Though I'm guessing that means not tomorrow (since even those people back are probably varying degrees of back), but hopefully soon. I know it will improve my thoughts, as a lot of my votes seem to be an obvious win vs obvious not.

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Fire the glitter cannon

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GM_Solspiral wrote:
Fire the glitter cannon

KA-boof.


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Chris Lambertz wrote:
There will be a cull. I can't give you a definitive cull date, but likely once everyone's returned from the holiday traveling :)

Yes, must wait til His Most Unfortunate returns from his extraplanar excursions, so He might feast on the sweet tears and spicy fears of the Culled and those-who-don't-yet-know-if-they-are-Culled-or-not-Culled.


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**Everyone else, get back to voting.**

RPG Superstar 2015 Top 16 , Marathon Voter Season 8, Dedicated Voter Season 9 aka dien

Thank you, Chris! I shall dwell on in hope, etc.

And thanks for the clarification, Feros.

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I suppose it's time to be incredibly nervous until I see my item again. I guess that just means that I need to hit champion voter now.


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Hunt, the PugWumpus wrote:
Chris Lambertz wrote:
There will be a cull. I can't give you a definitive cull date, but likely once everyone's returned from the holiday traveling :)
Yes, must wait til His Most Unfortunate returns from his extraplanar excursions, so He might feast on the sweet tears and spicy fears of the Culled and those-who-don't-yet-know-if-they-are-Culled-or-not-Culled.

Hunt, you really have got to lighten-up, man.

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Angry Wiggles wrote:
I suppose it's time to be incredibly nervous until I see my item again. I guess that just means that I need to hit champion voter now.

The cull hasn't happened yet, AW. So relax until they make the declaration.

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Feros wrote:
Angry Wiggles wrote:
I suppose it's time to be incredibly nervous until I see my item again. I guess that just means that I need to hit champion voter now.
The cull hasn't happened yet, AW. So relax until they make the declaration.

Right. There'll be plenty of time to panic after The Cull officially happens. 8/

{begins making map on best locations to panic}

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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
{begins making map on best locations to panic}

Round 2: Map all exits because the twist is Paizo has set your home on fire

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Feros wrote:
Angry Wiggles wrote:
I suppose it's time to be incredibly nervous until I see my item again. I guess that just means that I need to hit champion voter now.
The cull hasn't happened yet, AW. So relax until they make the declaration.

I've been nervous for ages, this is just giving me an excuse. That's okay, though. I've always been a bit of a worrywart. Thanks for the reassurances either way. It's good for me to hear them from time to time.

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GM_Solspiral wrote:

We get it, you're all about being inclusive. We're going with different stuff this year and the contest is changing.

For the love of all that is holy don't cull the cull. We need the cull!

There is absolutely going to be a cull, likely in early January.

[Edit]: As Chris had already mentioned, long before I looked in one this thread. :)

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I'll still celebrate the further affirmation, Huzzah!

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Master Pugwampi wrote:
Hunt, the PugWumpus wrote:
Chris Lambertz wrote:
There will be a cull. I can't give you a definitive cull date, but likely once everyone's returned from the holiday traveling :)
Yes, must wait til His Most Unfortunate returns from his extraplanar excursions, so He might feast on the sweet tears and spicy fears of the Culled and those-who-don't-yet-know-if-they-are-Culled-or-not-Culled.
Hunt, you really have got to lighten-up, man.

I dunno, have you met Owen and the others from Paizo? I'm pretty sure this is exactly why they're waiting ;-)

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Wooo! A cull!

And hopefully some round 2 rules in the new year!

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Don't utter it's name 7 times or anything,,,.or we might be smurfed.


We're smurfed anyway.

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Got to smurf them all?


GeneticDrift wrote:
Don't utter it's name 7 times or anything,,,.or we might be [redacted].
Sissyl wrote:
We're [redacted] anyway.
Maurice de Mare wrote:
Got to [redacted] them all?

You are all dead to me. >:|

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Smurf you too!


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I don't smurf Master Smurfwampi.

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Master Pugwampi wrote:
GeneticDrift wrote:
Don't utter it's name 7 times or anything,,,.or we might be [redacted].
Sissyl wrote:
We're [redacted] anyway.
Maurice de Mare wrote:
Got to [redacted] them all?
You are all dead to me. >:|

Poor Master Pugwampi, he just doesn't smurf it.


mamaursula wrote:
Master Pugwampi wrote:
GeneticDrift wrote:
Don't utter it's name 7 times or anything,,,.or we might be [redacted].
Sissyl wrote:
We're [redacted] anyway.
Maurice de Mare wrote:
Got to [redacted] them all?
You are all dead to me. >:|
Poor Master Pugwampi, he just doesn't smurf it.

{snickers} Oh, he "smurfed it" all right... had to get a shot of pugicillin from a cleric about a week later to clear up the little malady the smurf gave him. 'S why he's so grumpy.

{glances at freshly polysmurfed self} Oh, bloody Hells!


Hunt, the PugWumpus wrote:
{glances at freshly poly[redacted] self} Oh, bloody Hells!

...and thus the redacteds! :p

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Having made Marathon, I'm going to wait for the cull before I dive back in going 100%

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Dedicated Voter Season 8 aka artofcheatery

I'm not even Marathon and I'm relaxing until the cull. Depending on the day, my brain just melts reading some of the bad entries.

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Waiting for the cull... waiting, waiting...

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I do not profess to understand the mechanics of the voting algorithm but I just had to again vote for one of two items that I had both previously and regularly voted against. I am unsure of the purpose of the "equally good/bad button" if all it does is delay a decision and force me to (potentially) compromise later in the voting process just to make the algorithm progress more expeditiously.

Yikes! Having just vented on the issue of voting process I'm surprised to see I've hit "Dedicated" - oh the glory! oh the irony!

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The cull has been performed! :D

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Chris Lambertz wrote:
The cull has been performed! :D

Let the voting surge begin anew!

RPG Superstar 2015 Top 16 , Marathon Voter Season 8, Dedicated Voter Season 9 aka dien

DUN DUN DUN.

*throws self at*


Chris Lambertz wrote:
The cull has been performed! :D

Your gleeful avatar is the perfect complement for that announcement. :)

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Do we have any idea on what number or what percent were culled?

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Chris Lambertz wrote:
The cull has been performed! :D

THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!

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I always love the first few votes after the Cull --- the quality of items goes up by drastically and I actually need to really consider "which is the better item" rather than just go with "well, I guess this one is less terrible than that one"... :D

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What percentage did they cull this year? They have done 25% in past years, right? There were 804 unique items seen and recorded before the cull. If they did 25% again, we should have about 600 in the post cull list, though right now there is less than half of that. Record what you see when voting in the list, everyone. People are waiting to see their item made it through the cull.

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Ah, good to hear the cull has been done. Maybe I'll find the strength and resolve to still make Dedicated (Marathon still looks very distant).

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It is ok if you don't hit Marathon, Mikko. That's just one forum tag I have that you won't this year... :p

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theheadkase wrote:
It is ok if you don't hit Marathon, Mikko. That's just one forum tag I have that you won't this year... :p

I hope you'll get more than just the voter tag this year! :)

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Did they really cull 50% of the items?

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Ben Keysaer wrote:
Did they really cull 50% of the items?

No, they use criteria to determine which ones have decent popular support and keep those. The last two years they used a 40% or better up-vote percentage and kept everything that matched that criteria.

This year's cull may have been over 50% of the entries. They may have changed their criteria!

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Feros wrote:
Ben Keysaer wrote:
Did they really cull 50% of the items?

No, they use criteria to determine which ones have decent popular support and keep those. The last two years they used a 40% or better up-vote percentage and kept everything that matched that criteria.

This year's cull may have been over 50% of the entries. They may have changed their criteria!

It was certainly a surprise to see that many cut this year. I'd be interested to know if they did change their criteria, or if the voters this year voted so that there were many more that did not get the 40% up votes. Maybe it had something to do with the change from the wondrous items that many were used to voting on to new item types? I don't know. It is just different and it might be a relief to those cut to know why it is different.

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