Tiefling Bloodrager, because they can pretty much Devil Trigger!
Monkey goblins have interesting potential.
I'm trying out something that I hope is unique for a Reign of Winter campaign I'm trying to get into. Changeling Bloodrager with the Fey Bloodline and Primalist Archetype. Is it going to be fully optimized? Nope. But she's going to be really close thematically to her mother in terms of power-set!
Monkey goblins have interesting potential.
whoops i meant oversized goblins(monster codex), i was sleepy when i typed that
I have fun with my kitsune steelblood. 15 strength hurts, but claw/claw/bite is very effective and at high level Vulpine Pounce kicks in for more oomph. He is sort-of against type for a kitsune, he stays in hybrid form all the time and only turns into human form to run from the police. The character may have been stronger as a half-orc, but he is far from useless.
I'm pretty partial to Skinwalkers for natural attack builds.
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Or by "cool" did you actually mean "best mechanically"
I was more interested in "exotic" flavour: thematically more than mechanically.
Although having some strengths in game mechanics doesn't hurt either.
I can see how Humans would be at an advantage for a lot of classes just because of the extra starting feat and bonus skills.
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Monkey goblins have interesting potential.whoops i meant oversized goblins(monster codex), i was sleepy when i typed that
I can see how that would be formidable! In my regular group we've had two PCs snuff it at the hand of non-human (bugbear and hobgoblin) barbarians. I think the outcomes would have been much the same had they been bloodragers.
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I have fun with my kitsune steelblood. 15 strength hurts, but claw/claw/bite is very effective and at high level Vulpine Pounce kicks in for more oomph. He is sort-of against type for a kitsune, he stays in hybrid form all the time and only turns into human form to run from the police. The character may have been stronger as a half-orc, but he is far from useless.
The most important thing is how much fun a character is to play. I always find it's more fun to play a character with some sort of shortcomings. Being able to pulverize all opposition without difficulty doesn't really appeal to me.
The challenge the last time I played the half orc was that most of the opposition was ghouls. Biting and clawing ghouls is usually a bad idea! Forced me to be a bit more versatile and rely on the Lucerne Hammer and sling bullets (I had a shoe string budget for gear) instead of bloodraging. Which actually worked out better than I expected anyway.
Human.
Or by "cool" did you actually mean "best mechanically"
I wouldn't say it is necessarily 'best mechanically'.
Now, 'always a mechanically strong choice' and 'most flexible choice that can fit any class well'... yeah, I admit to that.
It is just that, while yes, an extra feat is fantastic, it only goes so far when you have level 1 qualifications. And, while I am not the most proficient theorycrafter, nothing TOO amazing seems to there for bloodragers specifically. So some race options might have a bit more at times for particular class/builds.
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I'm pretty partial to Skinwalkers for natural attack builds.
Hadn't thought of looking at those as characters before.
When a skinwalker changes into bestial form, any gear he/she is carrying is not altered, right?
They would be interesting to, though, with some of those natural attacks.
After a quick look at the list of Skinwalkers, I think the Ragebred (were-boars) or Fanglords (were-tigers) would be fun to play as bloodragers.
Would I be right in assuming a shape change to bestial form would mean that the CON or STR increase would stack with a bloodrage (or regular barbarian rage) increase?
So, if a Ragebred changed into the boar bestial form, and got a +2 to CON, and then did a bloodrage, then the total increase to CON would be +6. If I'm looking at it properly.
Yes, as I already wrote yesterday, a ragebred could be nice because it can start out with 5 natural attacks. 2 claws from the bloodline, 2 hooves and a gore.
There is a feat to get two abilities when changing.
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Yes, as I already wrote yesterday, a ragebred could be nice because it can start out with 5 natural attacks. 2 claws from the bloodline, 2 hooves and a gore.
There is a feat to get two abilities when changing.
That would be nasty!
Although the hooves would be at -5 as secondary attacks. Still, that sort of character could really dish it out pretty quick!
Especially if it was Ragebred with the Abyssal bloodline. Starting at level four he/she could "biggify" with Demonic Bulk and be able to do even more damage pretty quick.
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Human.
Or by "cool" did you actually mean "best mechanically"
I wouldn't say it is necessarily 'best mechanically'.
Now, 'always a mechanically strong choice' and 'most flexible choice that can fit any class well'... yeah, I admit to that.
It is just that, while yes, an extra feat is fantastic, it only goes so far when you have level 1 qualifications. And, while I am not the most proficient theory crafter, nothing TOO amazing seems to there for bloodragers specifically. So some race options might have a bit more at times for particular class/builds.
Myself, I like to get as much versatility as I can into a character. There are inevitably situations where any one character's biggest strengths are nullified. To my mind, having anything extra to fall back on is always a good thing!
That's why I didn't use INT or WIS as dump stats to boost my half-orc's strength. True, he's not as strong as he could be. On the other hand, he's not a moron short on skills and his WILL save isn't as bad as it could have been.
A bit of versatility is also why I kitted him up with some sling stones. Not only are they really cheap, but he can put his strength bonus into damage with those before things get close and personal like.
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I'm trying out something that I hope is unique for a Reign of Winter campaign I'm trying to get into. Changeling Bloodrager with the Fey Bloodline and Primalist Archetype. Is it going to be fully optimized? Nope. But she's going to be really close thematically to her mother in terms of power-set!
Thematic is what I like playing about with too.
For me, optimization is icing on the cake!
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Yes, as I already wrote yesterday, a ragebred could be nice because it can start out with 5 natural attacks. 2 claws from the bloodline, 2 hooves and a gore.
There is a feat to get two abilities when changing.That would be nasty!
Although the hooves would be at -5 as secondary attacks. Still, that sort of character could really dish it out pretty quick!
Especially if it was Ragebred with the Abyssal bloodline. Starting at level four he/she could "biggify" with Demonic Bulk and be able to do even more damage pretty quick.
Sounds fun, though with the Cha penalty you'd probably want to take Spelleater or Untouchable.
You could also try an Elemental (cold) bloodline witchwolf - a winter witchwolf. Taking the feat to get an extra bestial feature, they'd get claw/claw/bite with a natural attack route (in which case, Frostbite is a fantastic spell mechanically and thematically) or could use a two-hander with a secondary bite and +2 to all saves. Stat-wise they get the same Con bonus as the ragebred but no Cha penalty.
Since the elemental movement and form are water-themed instead of cold-themed, they're good candidates to switch out for rage powers with Primalist - unless you & GM want to tweak the bloodline to take Icewalking as your elemental movement, and turn into an ice elemental.
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Sounds fun, though with the Cha penalty you'd probably want to take Spelleater or Untouchable.
You could also try an Elemental (cold) bloodline witchwolf - a winter witchwolf. Taking the feat to get an extra bestial feature, they'd get claw/claw/bite with a natural attack route (in which case, Frostbite is a fantastic spell mechanically and thematically) or could use a two-hander with a secondary bite and +2 to all saves. Stat-wise they get the same Con bonus as the ragebred but no Cha penalty.
Since the elemental movement and form are water-themed instead of cold-themed, they're good candidates to switch out for rage powers with Primalist - unless you & GM want to tweak the bloodline to take Icewalking as your elemental movement, and turn into an ice elemental.
With the CHA penalty for a Ragebred, one could always pump that up with level increases. A bit slow, though. Spell eater would probably be quite good for those, though, since they're likely to be in the thick of things with a lowered AC due to rage and all.
I was thinking the Fanglord might make a good bloodrager. Only get a CHA boost with the shape change, though. But at least it's not a penalty.
I also thought a Raskhasa variant tiefling would be interesting too. WIS takes a bit of a hit, but the DEX and CHA are good. And would be a charming bloodrager, of course! :D
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Although the hooves would be at -5 as secondary attacks. Still, that sort of character could really dish it out pretty quick!
The rules are a bit less than 100% clear on this. Hooves default to secondary on monsters, but it's usually noted when an attack provided to a PC is secondary (see here for example).
Which it isn't here.
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Although the hooves would be at -5 as secondary attacks. Still, that sort of character could really dish it out pretty quick!The rules are a bit less than 100% clear on this. Hooves default to secondary on monsters, but it's usually noted when an attack provided to a PC is secondary (see here for example).
Which it isn't here.
Hmmm... Tricky. I was going by the natural attacks table. When I had a quick look at the Ragebred description, it didn't say hooves were primary attacks. So I'm assuming they're secondary.
Even so, being able to do up to five natural attacks per round while bloodraging, even if 2 of the 5 are at lower odds, is nothing to sneeze at!
Male Lashunta gets +2 STR and WIS and -2 INT. That's not bad.This is incorrect. They get +2 Str, +2 Int, -2 Wis, actually. Superb for Investigators, only decent for Bloodragers.
Darn, you are right. IS there anyone that gets +STR and WIS and no CHA or CON penalty?
Although the hooves would be at -5 as secondary attacks. Still, that sort of character could really dish it out pretty quick!The rules are a bit less than 100% clear on this. Hooves default to secondary on monsters, but it's usually noted when an attack provided to a PC is secondary (see here for example).
Which it isn't here.
Hmmm... Tricky. I was going by the natural attacks table. When I had a quick look at the Ragebred description, it didn't say hooves were primary attacks. So I'm assuming they're secondary.
Even so, being able to do up to five natural attacks per round while bloodraging, even if 2 of the 5 are at lower odds, is nothing to sneeze at!
It's a monster feat, but Multiattack lowers the penalty on secondaries from -5 to -2, and you qualify right off the bat.
So, Abyssal Ragebred gets Gore/Claw/Claw/Hoof/Hoof with only a -2 on the hooves and, I assume, a great strength mod on all of them. Throw in a buff of your choice and go to town.
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I have been planing out a dwarf Untouchable Bloodrager with Glory of Old trait, Steel Soul feat, and Arcane bloodline. He will use the dorn-dergar and pick up Darting Viper at 3rd level. At first level he will have SR 9 and +5 bonus against spells and SLAs.
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Although the hooves would be at -5 as secondary attacks. Still, that sort of character could really dish it out pretty quick!The rules are a bit less than 100% clear on this. Hooves default to secondary on monsters, but it's usually noted when an attack provided to a PC is secondary (see here for example).
Which it isn't here.
Hmmm... Tricky. I was going by the natural attacks table. When I had a quick look at the Ragebred description, it didn't say hooves were primary attacks. So I'm assuming they're secondary.
Even so, being able to do up to five natural attacks per round while bloodraging, even if 2 of the 5 are at lower odds, is nothing to sneeze at!
It's a monster feat, but Multiattack lowers the penalty on secondaries from -5 to -2, and you qualify right off the bat.
So, Abyssal Ragebred gets Gore/Claw/Claw/Hoof/Hoof with only a -2 on the hooves and, I assume, a great strength mod on all of them. Throw in a buff of your choice and go to town.
That would be quite a formidable tank of a character in a dust-up! Even if such a character had a regular strength of 16, and if he/she bloodraged and hit with all five natural attacks, that would average out to 35-36 HP per round.
That is just plain nasty!
I like it, therefore! :D
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I have been planing out a dwarf Untouchable Bloodrager with Glory of Old trait, Steel Soul feat, and Arcane bloodline. He will use the dorn-dergar and pick up Darting Viper at 3rd level. At first level he will have SR 9 and +5 bonus against spells and SLAs.
That's definitely the bloke you want to put up against spell casters!
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No worries! As you might have guessed, I like bloodragers a lot, so I've been playing with lots of concepts myself.
After all these comments, I rather like the idea of a Dhampir bloodrager (despite the CON penalty) and a Ragebred skinwalker bloodrager (despite the CHA penalty). I would think that either would make some pretty stiff NPC opposition for a lot of parties.
Devil Trigger is the supermode from Devil May Cry games. The main character Dante is a half-demon. Devil Trigger is when he goes into his demon form.
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Devil Trigger is the supermode from Devil May Cry games. The main character Dante is a half-demon. Devil Trigger is when he goes into his demon form.
Okay, now I got it. Video games, anime, and all those things are not my strong suite at all.
That would probably explain why I never ran across that playing Pathfinder!