I can't believe they forgot to close the playtest threads.
Shhh... the threads are closed. Locked, like the wooden doors Scorpioni mentioned.
Forget what I just said, these threads are locked;)
Is it me... or the Kinecist feels like a one-trick pony class? All he does is... shoot an energy from his hands. I feel like it's missing something.
True, a spellcaster cast spell for the most part, but they can cast different spells. The kineticist should get MORE than just fire energy blasts and alter it to his will, like a bunch of skill specializations and such.
Is it me... or the Kinecist feels like a one-trick pony class? All he does is... shoot an energy from his hands. I feel like it's missing something.
True, a spellcaster cast spell for the most part, but they can cast different spells. The kineticist should get MORE than just fire energy blasts and alter it to his will, like a bunch of skill specializations and such.
I mean: he can make walls of fire, or cover the ground in ice, or fly with his mastery of air. So there is that.
I mean: he can make walls of fire, or cover the ground in ice, or fly with his mastery of air. So there is that.Is it me... or the Kinecist feels like a one-trick pony class? All he does is... shoot an energy from his hands. I feel like it's missing something.
True, a spellcaster cast spell for the most part, but they can cast different spells. The kineticist should get MORE than just fire energy blasts and alter it to his will, like a bunch of skill specializations and such.
No, different Kineticists can do different things, but each Kineticist is a one trick pony with it's element.
No, different Kineticists can do different things, but each Kineticist is a one trick pony with it's element.I mean: he can make walls of fire, or cover the ground in ice, or fly with his mastery of air. So there is that.Is it me... or the Kinecist feels like a one-trick pony class? All he does is... shoot an energy from his hands. I feel like it's missing something.
True, a spellcaster cast spell for the most part, but they can cast different spells. The kineticist should get MORE than just fire energy blasts and alter it to his will, like a bunch of skill specializations and such.
Fire guy can:
1. Throw fire2. Make fire walls
3. Fly using cool fire jets
4. Burn people with his hot bod
5. Make a big fire guy appear
6. Become a big fire guy
7. Generally just sort of move areas of fire around
8. Learn to see through smoke and fire
9. Turn into a fireball and launch across the battlefield
He can then also learn other elements.
Fire guy can:
1. Throw fire
2. Make fire walls
3. Fly using cool fire jets
4. Burn people with his hot bod
5. Make a big fire guy appear
6. Become a big fire guy
7. Generally just sort of move areas of fire around
8. Learn to see through smoke and fire
9. Turn into a fireball and launch across the battlefieldHe can then also learn other elements.
Too bad he cannot:
1. Hit more easily creatures of the Water and/or Cold subtype(s) (bonus to attack rolls)2. Counter fire spells with his blast
3. Endure hot temperatures
4. Detect heat signatures
5. Control fire sources
Look, I feel like a kineticist lacks skills related to the element itself. Sure, you can shape the element as you see fit, but that's about it...
The one thing I hope they have in the archetypes for the kineticist is an archetype that allows for duel element specialization from level 1. thought this might cost it the ability to access or use any other elements.
If this does not exist, then my gamer rage will be supreme.
I hope for an archetype that grants sorcerer bloodline powers, maybe bloodline spells as spell powers, and also damage and save DCs based on charisma. Gain sorcerer bloodline powers at 1st, 3rd, 9th, 15th, and 20th level. Maybe gain a "blood pool" that it can use to create spell effects based on there bloodline spells.
I would like to see an archetype that uses int mod for damage, save DCs, attack rolls and maybe even burn. Maybe give it all knowledge skills as class skills.
I would like to see an archetype that uses a rage mechanic and rage points but call it "psychic rage", make it increase dex and con, damage bonus with kinetic powers, increased range, etc. maybe some rage powers as well.
I would like an archetype that focuses on melee abilities for the kineticist so maybe some abilities based on strength and better with kinetic blade/fist abilities.
I would like an archetype that grants a companion of some type such as animal companion, familiar, spirit friend, etc.
Look, I feel like a kineticist lacks skills related to the element itself. Sure, you can shape the element as you see fit, but that's about it...
That is what pyrokineticist means: you can "move fire". This is similarly true for hydrokinticist and what have you. Though I think telekineticist means that you can move things from far away? I have forgotten a lot of what I know about word roots.
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An archetype that gets flurry of blows, unarmed damage progression and some kind of mental stat to AC. Perhaps with a ki pool that can be used to pay for burn costs.
Too bad the name kinetic fist is already taken. Would sound good next to sacred fist.
Can we get a clarification? Kinetic Whip only gives the blade "reach" (10 ft reach) so unless it gets 15 ft reach like an actual whip can the name be changed to Kinetic Spear?Think anime, with tentacles of energy whipping about the hero/villain and shredding things that get too close. It's like being a living octopus of elemental material. Whip is the closest word to it without actually saying "elemental tentacle" which sounds like asking for trouble from certain obnoxious players with dirty minds. Like me. Elemental tempest would kind of fit the imagery as well, but it brings too much of an AoE DoT effect to mind. Can you think of another term that fits the image better? Spear works best mechanically, but whip has closer flavor.
or fry.I disagree, while your description matches your imagery for the ability the wording is much more ambiguous
"You form a weapon using your kinesis. You create a non-reach
one-handed or light weapon in your hands formed of pure
energy or elemental matter""You form a long tendril of energy or elemental matter using your
kinesis."Tentacles would match some elements, like air or water, but for elements like fire, electricity and earth a flexible tentacle makes little sense. For my electric blast it's better to picture Zeus's lightning bolt for whip. And it explicitly says in whip's description that it functions exactly as blade which says it appears as a weapon in your hand.
It's a little vague either way, but the intent is for kinetic blade/whip to be open to be flavored as any weapon you wish with the properties given in the talent. My Geokineticist's "kinetic blade" is often times a club or a spear when I need to deal bludgeoning or piercing.
Force blast hits easier since it uses Touch AC, so balance says less damage. And yes, we all agree about the weight issue. :P
I'm still curious if you can finesse your kinetic weapon or whip. Or flurry it. Or use weapon properties - if you form it into a flail, can you get the benefit on a trip attempt with it? If you make a monk weapon, can you flurry? Does the same apply if you form a guisarm with your whip power?
You decide the appearance of the kinetic weapon, and it is weapon finesse-able. you do not get any properties of the weapon you make it look like.
Peter
Weapons formed with Kinetic Blade/Whip don't have any of the properties of the weapon. Link.
Uhh...well, you guys saw the thing about not provoking with blade/whip, right? Also, whoever said that kinetic whip just gives you the reach property and not any of the minutiae of the weapon (such as the weapon whip which has longer reach and provokes AoOs) is correct.
Also, it's next week already. I'm dying to see what all gets nerfed/buffed. Come on Mark, let's hear the good news!
Quote the Seifter, 'Wednesdayish'.
Expect the post mortem in this thread next week, maybe Wednesdayish, with all sorts of teasers of goodies to come.
Cheers!
Mark
Also, it's next week already. I'm dying to see what all gets nerfed/buffed. Come on Mark, let's hear the good news!Quote the Seifter, 'Wednesdayish'.
Expect the post mortem in this thread next week, maybe Wednesdayish, with all sorts of teasers of goodies to come.
Cheers!
Mark
Given the requisite meeting has been pushed a bit, I would say Thursdayish or Fridayish may be more likely (which is probably still Wednesdayish, depending on the definition of Wednesdayish, but just to prevent people from getting antsy on Wednesday proper).
Given the requisite meeting has been pushed a bit, I would say Thursdayish or Fridayish may be more likely (which is probably still Wednesdayish, depending on the definition of Wednesdayish, but just to prevent people from getting antsy on Wednesday proper).Also, it's next week already. I'm dying to see what all gets nerfed/buffed. Come on Mark, let's hear the good news!Quote the Seifter, 'Wednesdayish'.
Expect the post mortem in this thread next week, maybe Wednesdayish, with all sorts of teasers of goodies to come.
Cheers!
Mark
The first session of my game is Thursday night :(
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Question, you can't reduce the nonlethal damage from burn, but what if you're immune to Non-Lethal Damage altogether?
Reference : Mummification Discovery.The alchemist’s type does not change, but he becomes immune to cold, nonlethal damage, paralysis, and sleep.Alchemist 10/Kineticist 10 hardly feels like an overpowered character, especially since I have a burn cap anyways, but this could be fairly interesting if someone can find another way to become immune to non-lethal.
This is a question that needs to be answered for undead in general. (Not that they would do to well with no Con score, but still)
This is a question that needs to be answered for undead in general. (Not that they would do to well with no Con score, but still)Question, you can't reduce the nonlethal damage from burn, but what if you're immune to Non-Lethal Damage altogether?
Reference : Mummification Discovery.The alchemist’s type does not change, but he becomes immune to cold, nonlethal damage, paralysis, and sleep.Alchemist 10/Kineticist 10 hardly feels like an overpowered character, especially since I have a burn cap anyways, but this could be fairly interesting if someone can find another way to become immune to non-lethal.
You guys should read the section on burn. If you are immune to nonlethal damage then you are also unable to accept burn.
Basically this is the only class you can't play as if your race is a construct or undead:(
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Mark, IF there are items for the Kineticist that are analogous to a Amulet of Mighty Fists or Bodywrap of Mighty Strikes, any chance of letting us know what slots they might take up (for long term planning)?
There probably won't be items that work exactly like those two, but there will probably be an item you want that's in a similar vein but targeted to where it helps the kineticist more where it needs it, and it'll probably go in the slot that indisputably is used by a class that uses two physical stats less than everybody else—headband.
WHERE IS THE UPDATE? WHEEEEEEEERE IIIIIIIS IIIIIIIIIT???
Sorry, did that come off as overenthusiastic?
I would absolutely give up a headband of wisdom before I lose my amulet of natural armor!
I would absolutely give up a headband of wisdom before I lose my amulet of natural armor!
You just need to double enchant stuff and pay those crazy costs, yo.
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Mark, IF there are items for the Kineticist that are analogous to a Amulet of Mighty Fists or Bodywrap of Mighty Strikes, any chance of letting us know what slots they might take up (for long term planning)?There probably won't be items that work exactly like those two, but there will probably be an item you want that's in a similar vein but targeted to where it helps the kineticist more where it needs it, and it'll probably go in the slot that indisputably is used by a class that uses two physical stats less than everybody else—headband.
Putting the item in the head slot just makes it more difficult for a kineticist to invest in increased skills or better will saves, already two of the classes weakest points.
You just need to double enchant stuff and pay those crazy costs, yo.Unless you play in PFS, where the option does not exist.
Ha. Really? You poor pitiful fools.
Can you make off-slot magic items at least?
You just need to double enchant stuff and pay those crazy costs, yo.Unless you play in PFS, where the option does not exist.Ha. Really? You poor pitiful fools.
Can you make off-slot magic items at least?
You can't make magic items at all. Basically, PFS's goal is to play the game as close to as written as possible. So, essentially, if an item doesn't appear in a book, it doesn't exist.
No belts of Mighty Fist, or Tiara's of Speed or anything like that.
"When I was in the Society, we got the magic items in the slots they came in and we liked it! The milk drinking, pansies that call themselves adventurers these days have their hands held through every encounter!" *grumble grumble*
You just need to double enchant stuff and pay those crazy costs, yo.Unless you play in PFS, where the option does not exist.Ha. Really? You poor pitiful fools.
Can you make off-slot magic items at least?
You can't make magic items at all. Basically, PFS's goal is to play the game as close to as written as possible. So, essentially, if an item doesn't appear in a book, it doesn't exist.
No belts of Mighty Fist, or Tiara's of Speed or anything like that.
"When I was in the Society, we got the magic items in the slots they came in and we liked it! The milk drinking, pansies that call themselves adventurers these days have their hands held through every encounter!" *grumble grumble*
Oh yeah? Seems like an almost deliberately poor ruleset insofar as unarmed combat and a lot of other specialized builds are concerned. It is like there are whole swaths of the game that no longer work. *shrugs*
I never play modules or anything. And I don't think PFS rulings should be taken into account for new game materials. If PFS is breaking something then have PFS fix it. You should not make the game designers build around those additional rule sets.
Personally I see no reason why items are "slotted" to begin with. There should be a full list of enchantments that can be on ANY object, and a few that can only be (or cannot be) on certain objects. Weapons and shields being the most common, with robes as the next in line. It's magic. Magic to make you smarter doesn't *require* the item to be within 2" of your brain. It could be an anklet for all magic cares. But still, the headband is the "norm" for this setting. I try to keep the regular slots for items, because it feels like being forced to make a choice between item A and item B keeps a power limiter on things. That may not make sense with the pseudo-reality of magic, but in game terms it keeps things cleaner.
I think the extra 50% gold cost is more than enough of a counterbalance to keep things clean. Let the monk put his money on the table and get his +2 nat armor bonus.
