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Date and time: Thursday August 28 7:00PM->12:00AM EDT
Recruitment period END: August 26 9:00PM EDT
Time Zone preference: EDT/EST
Frequency: Weekly
Player count: 4-5
A Roll 20 campaign. I'm looking for a very specific type of player who values character development, storytelling, and role-playing their characters. More information in the sticky'd posting
lawyers,
theory-crafters,
min-maxers,
optimisers,
experimental builders,
board-game-rules-advocates,
anyone-who-optimizes-on-the-advice-boards,
anyone-without-a-mic,
people-who-can't-voice-their-characters,
speaks-in-third-person-too-much,
gender-bending-players,
roll-and-result-players,
do not apply please.
If you're none of the above, I'd like to hear from you for a great game.
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Suffice to say I run a very specific type of game. I run four campaigns with plenty of inter-character interactions as well as roleplay within setting. I run 2 in-person campaigns where I have a pretty high bar, not just to fit the above requirements, but to have an active table.
You might call it 'judgy/duchey' but that's your opinion. If you like tables where there's that one person who only pipes up during combat, or that meta-gamer that always chimes in to destroy the immersion. I can go on with the tropes, that 'guy' that always brings up obscure rule judgments to benefit his actions and is 'hush-hush' when a bent ruling is to his benefit... That person that's always a non-participant in role-play then attacks the battle mat like a tactician. Monotone voice guy who despite the rest of the table roleplaying wonderfully pipes in with 'my character will laugh then order a beer' as his only input.
If you're looking to build a game of a certain level of quality, you're going to have to set standards.Yes, I'm looking for people with a similar mindset who are looking for an immersive game with others who are just as committed to having a great game. A game that's more than just 'tactical chess' where role-play is simply an action to gain some mechanical benefit. It is my opinion that if you're merely only engaging in roleplay for mechanical benefits, you've really lost the true spirit of the game, and merely only playing a board game with a complicated rule-set.
I feel like what you say you want in the first post isn't the same as what you say you want in the second post. Although perhaps I am misunderstanding some of the terms you're using.
For example: "gender bending players"
To me that means a male player playing a female character or vice-versa. Based on your second post, the only reason why I can think of that you'd ban that is if you assume that anybody doing "gender bending" is going to do a bad job of it. That seems like an odd assumption to me as I have yet to see it happen in any game I've seen or taken part in.
Another example is with your comments about optimizing/min-maxing (we'll ignore for the moment the fact that what exactly counts as optimizing can be somewhat subjective when it's not on the extreme end of something). It is quite possible that a number of people with very strong builds are going to nit-pick details about rules or be roll players rather than role players. But there are plenty of people that don't. Either that, or I've just gotten incredibly lucky with the people I've played with.
^ and there are plenty of people that enjoy both Roleplaying and the Roll playing. The rules are just as much part of the game as the being in character.
edit - agreeing with you Anon just adding.
I'm not interested, just think the OP should clarify something to inform and attract players:
Is this a pbp game, Skype, a live game, post any time, what?
Roll d20 can support any of the above.
Good luck though.
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I feel like what you say you want in the first post isn't the same as what you say you want in the second post. Although perhaps I am misunderstanding some of the terms you're using.
For example: "gender bending players"
To me that means a male player playing a female character or vice-versa.Another example is with your comments about optimizing/min-maxing (we'll ignore for the moment the fact that what exactly counts as optimizing can be somewhat subjective when it's not on the extreme end of something)
The second post was more a clarification if bullet points come off as blunt, which was the point. Quite frankly I started GMing with friends who were great roleplayers, when I branched out to FLGS and online games, I found that the bar was far lower than I anticipated. Players simply wanted to 'pimp their characters' and a surprising number had the optimal path plotted for their character as if 'this is what they needed to be successful'.
For the gender bending characters, it's just awkward and destroys the mood in my games. I frequently get characters which are generally male fantasy tropes. I'm not looking to fulfill someone's 'other 50%' personality. I have a witch character who's butt ugly because.. well she's a witch, not jail bait. (child sent is a nice flavor touch and cook people is amazing). I also have a somewhat normal looking witch but secretly she hates everyone, and (if sounding sexist) witch is kinda pigeon holed for female characters which I only have 2 of. Though killing things with a prehensile beard or armpit hair is awesome, it doesn't really fit into the setting.
In terms of min-maxing, I'm talking extreme stat degradation for optimization such as dumping charisma all the time, or intelligence as a fighter. At the same time, role-playing a normal or higher intelligence character. In addition, a ridiculous build using mix-matched regional traits/feats (dervish dancing being one of them) to get the 'optimal build' as opposed to starting with a cool character concept and building from that taking both benefits and detriments.
I'm not looking for just any applicants, I'm looking for the right group of folks. Quite frankly if 'laying down the law' to heighten the over all experience is a turn off to many, so be it. Just as some prefer Budweiser, others prefer quality craft beers.
@Library this is a full-blown roll20 game. not a text based or PBP one, so a microphone is necessary.
The thing about character gender for me, at least, is that there's some characters who, when I imagine them, just seem definitely female. No particular reason, but I guess that's how my imagination creates things. Then again, I've only played such characters in PbP or IM games, where it's much easier to think out what your character says or does.
Meanwhile, I once played a very disturbed changeling (the shapeshifting kind) in a party of villains, and having everyone in the party think he nice to him because they thought he was a woman was a really interesting RP opportunity.
Also, some of the best characters I've played to roleplay have been the result of min-maxing. For instance, I currently have a level 9 cavalier who I optimized to get something like +20 to Perform (String) and +12 to all other Perform checks. He's very proud of his classical training and prodigy status as a musician, and he insists on playing beautiful music of the sort the gods would appreciate every night before the party sleeps, whether they want him to or not. It might not be the most broken skill in battle, but he's helped the party on a few occasions by blowing his masterwork trumpet so skillfully and loudly that it drew the entire attention of an enemy patrol while the rogues slipped by.
Some of us min-maxers have grown up, and learned how to optimize fun instead of DPS. But as someone who's run a PbP recruitment thread, I can see how it's hard to tell the difference between the two from only a few posts.
What do you consider to be an optimiser or min-maxer? If I have a fighter is putting most of my points in Str and Con and taking weapon focus and power attack an optimiser or min-maxer choice, or is it just logical for that character type? At what point does making a good choice ruleswise become wrong? If I'm playing a character who uses a scimitar and is a dervish...is dervish dance a min-max choice? What's wrong with having someone who plays the games rules as they are in the book? If I can role play a character, in depth, emotionally, why shouldn't he also be able to kick ass on the map? Does thinking tactically mean you can't also speak as a character?
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What do you consider to be an optimiser or min-maxer? If I have a fighter is putting most of my points in Str and Con and taking weapon focus and power attack an optimiser or min-maxer choice, or is it just logical for that character type? At what point does making a good choice ruleswise become wrong? If I'm playing a character who uses a scimitar and is a dervish...is dervish dance a min-max choice? What's wrong with having someone who plays the games rules as they are in the book? If I can role play a character, in depth, emotionally, why shouldn't he also be able to kick ass on the map? Does thinking tactically mean you can't also speak as a character?
Putting points into Str and Con is fine, dumping everything else to become a 'dumb' but effective fighter as that's were you're invested is min-max. Dervish dance is fine if it makes sense for your character in say he hails from a desert region and has other desert-y flavor about him. Not every effective dexterous fighter in Galt or Lastwall has dervish dancing as that's more of local thing. Hence either your character has traveled from there, and that's incorporated in the backstory, or is from there. If there's a fighter that at level 1 has all these regional flavor bits from all over Golarian that just happen to coincide to be the optimal configuration, that's min-max.
Across my 4 campaigns I run (both in-person and online, though my in-person games have gone for far longer) I don't have any serious min-maxers, I do have people that have effective builds to kick-butt, but it's not as if they've installed a metaphorical turbo drive on said butt-kicking ability. There's flavor skills, traits and feats that aren't all bent on kicking butt, much of it influenced by events in the campaign. (An ode to a fallen brother, a paladin's sworn promise to a shaman). Sure enough there's butt kicking in there, but there's more to a campaign then roll to kill.
Either way, I have 2/5 members confirmed, I have 3 slots remaining.
