This could be a good opportunity to reinvent the classic image of the boring old Hill Giant. I am confident the writers will come up with a way of making the AP engaging. :D
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Love the idea of this AP! Love that it starts with orcs, as Paizo hasn't done anything with orcs yet, and I've been truly missing them!
Probably the only thing I'm not excited about is the book with hill giants . . . I know they are a staple, but that's the one type of giant I feel has been overplayed, and, well, they're just boring. With so many different giants in Golarion that are incredibly awesome, I'd rather see hill giants replaced. However, I can understand the old school thought that pushes for the inclusion of hill giants, so it really doesn't dissuade from my excitement of this AP!
Once upon a time, we thought goblins were boring too.
Let's see what we can do with hill giants before we call them boring, is all I'm saying.
I know my Dwarf Warpriest of Torag is going to be dual wielding hammers and smashing giant toes.
After all the grief I gave Rob about Risen from the sands, does it make any sense that I am so looking forward to him writing this?
Rob, if you do half as good with the atmosphere in the giantslayer AP as you did with Osirion in risen, i'd be addicted.
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Love the idea of this AP! Love that it starts with orcs, as Paizo hasn't done anything with orcs yet, and I've been truly missing them!
Probably the only thing I'm not excited about is the book with hill giants . . . I know they are a staple, but that's the one type of giant I feel has been overplayed, and, well, they're just boring. With so many different giants in Golarion that are incredibly awesome, I'd rather see hill giants replaced. However, I can understand the old school thought that pushes for the inclusion of hill giants, so it really doesn't dissuade from my excitement of this AP!
There will be more than just hill giants in the "hill giant adventure" - there will still be some orcs, some ogres, maybe even a marsh giant...
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Once upon a time, we thought goblins were boring too.
Let's see what we can do with hill giants before we call them boring, is all I'm saying.
"Munguk not boring! Munguk just lonely... *hic* so lonely... need to find nice lady giant to make sweet, sweet lovin' to. *hic*"
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"Munguk not boring! Munguk just lonely... *hic* so lonely... need to find nice lady giant to make sweet, sweet lovin' to. *hic*"Once upon a time, we thought goblins were boring too.
Let's see what we can do with hill giants before we call them boring, is all I'm saying.
Yay, Munguk!
Against the Giants didn't have storm giants? What an awesome "theme" to explore heh heh heh...
Aw, thanks! :)After all the grief I gave Rob about Risen from the sands, does it make any sense that I am so looking forward to him writing this?
Rob, if you do half as good with the atmosphere in the giantslayer AP as you did with Osirion in risen, i'd be addicted.
Has anyone consulted with Runelord Zutha?
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After finally finishing Gm'ing Rise of the Runelords (2+ years) for my weekly group (Amazing series in my opinion), I was a little disappointed in Giant slayer, but only because I just spent a few years with my PC's battling them in Runelords. That said, I like the premise and I'm looking forward to Giantslayer. I like classic tales, and the Paizo staff/writers always do a great job in updating the classic tropes, and adding unique twists. Besides I have yet to be disappointed by one of their AP's, and I've wanted to peer into Belkzen for quite a while. It would be nice if we got a taste of Janderhoff as well.
Perhaps I can find another player to GM Giantslayer. I'd love to take a break and sit on the other side of the table for once, and I do love dwarven PC's, so this may be the AP for me.
Well now my group is off to Crimson Throne for a bit of Urban shenanigans. As a DM I must be a glutton for punishment, because I keep running all the 3.5 version AP's (was in book 5 on runelords when the anniversary edition came out). Before I dive into the conversion work for Crimson throne, has there been any whispers/hints/rumors of an anniversary edition in the near future?
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Love the idea of this AP! Love that it starts with orcs, as Paizo hasn't done anything with orcs yet, and I've been truly missing them!
Probably the only thing I'm not excited about is the book with hill giants . . . I know they are a staple, but that's the one type of giant I feel has been overplayed, and, well, they're just boring. With so many different giants in Golarion that are incredibly awesome, I'd rather see hill giants replaced. However, I can understand the old school thought that pushes for the inclusion of hill giants, so it really doesn't dissuade from my excitement of this AP!
Once upon a time, we thought goblins were boring too.
Let's see what we can do with hill giants before we call them boring, is all I'm saying.
Mr. Jacobs, your work has thus far been phenomenal, and I've appreciated a great deal the job that yourself and Mr. McCreary have done with the APs. I own every one of them to date, in fact, except Crimson Throne, because a friend of mine purchased that one.
So, please don't take this as a disrespectful comment when I say that I have seen what you have done with hill giants. There are numerous adventures out there that highlight them, a couple that feature them, and I've also purchased Giants Revisited, which has hill giant culture fleshed out in it. All that I've seen on this particular type of giant has not impressed me -- not anything close to the wondrous makeover you gave to goblins, especially!
Thus, my assessment on hill giant boredom stands . . . Though I'm more than open to being proven wrong on this account in the future! If anyone has the potential to do so, I have no doubt it'd be the Paizo crew.
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Does anyone know if the panel seminar was recorded and uploaded to the interwebs? I really enjoyed watching the discussion from last year.
There were audio recording devices on every table that I was a panelist at (courtesy of Know Direction), so I imagine it's just a matter of time before those are uploaded for public consumption.
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Love the idea of this AP! Love that it starts with orcs, as Paizo hasn't done anything with orcs yet, and I've been truly missing them!
Probably the only thing I'm not excited about is the book with hill giants . . . I know they are a staple, but that's the one type of giant I feel has been overplayed, and, well, they're just boring. With so many different giants in Golarion that are incredibly awesome, I'd rather see hill giants replaced. However, I can understand the old school thought that pushes for the inclusion of hill giants, so it really doesn't dissuade from my excitement of this AP!
Once upon a time, we thought goblins were boring too.
Let's see what we can do with hill giants before we call them boring, is all I'm saying.
Mr. Jacobs, your work has thus far been phenomenal, and I've appreciated a great deal the job that yourself and Mr. McCreary have done with the APs. I own every one of them to date, in fact, except Crimson Throne, because a friend of mine purchased that one.
So, please don't take this as a disrespectful comment when I say that I have seen what you have done with hill giants. There are numerous adventures out there that highlight them, a couple that feature them, and I've also purchased Giants Revisited, which has hill giant culture fleshed out in it. All that I've seen on this particular type of giant has not impressed me -- not anything close to the wondrous makeover you gave to goblins, especially!
Thus, my assessment on hill giant boredom stands . . . Though I'm more than open to being proven wrong on this account in the future! If anyone has the potential to do so, I have no doubt it'd be the Paizo crew.
Fair enough. Maybe you'll need to make some changes when you get to "The Hill Giant's Pledge." Although I hope you'll still check it out, since every author brings the opportunity for something new.
So one of the books will be called 'The Hill Giant's Pledge'?
Is it too early to start pestering you for the other 5 titles? :p
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What's funny is that we named the titles and authors in the panel and I saw people taking notes, so I'm surprised that no one has popped in here with the list.
I know *I* could spill the beans, but it's always much more rewarding when others get to do it.
So, which part is "The Hill Giant's Pledge"?
if someone posts the list of adventures and possibly authors i might* mail them a cookie:)
*i most likely won't but would greatly appreciate knowing it any way:)
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*noir detective voice*
Spill the beans Daigle! We know you where there! We know you have the answers! So why don't you cut to the chase and cease this fairy tale homage.
*lights cigarette and leans back in chair*
(Don't smoke kids, it's not healthy)
I hope this means that this AP will have one new giant per AP volume in it's bestiaries:)
arent there enough giants already!!
So, which part is "The Hill Giant's Pledge"?
I believe it was mentioned above that it's the 2nd installment.
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A couple tidbits from the Know Direction podcast (and compliments of Anthony Li):
Minderhal and Zursvaater will get entries in the articles.
The titles and authors-
Battle of Bloodmarch Hill by Patrick Renie
The Hill Giant's Pledge by Larry Wilhelm
Forge of the Giant God by Tim Hitchcock
Ice Tomb (Tome?) of the Giant Queen by Jim Groves
Anvil of Fire by Sean K. Reynolds
Shadow of the Storm Tyrant by Tito Leati
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I wonder if giants / half giants will be a playable race for this jolly green jaunt?
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Does anyone know if the panel seminar was recorded and uploaded to the interwebs? I really enjoyed watching the discussion from last year.There were audio recording devices on every table that I was a panelist at (courtesy of Know Direction), so I imagine it's just a matter of time before those are uploaded for public consumption.
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I hope this means that this AP will have one new giant per AP volume in it's bestiaries:)
I considered that, but I really didn't want to water down the giant pool. I'm of the mind that we have quite enough giants, but that's not to say that there won't be a few new ones sprinkled through the bestiaries. I'm just picky about them.
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I wonder if giants / half giants will be a playable race for this jolly green jaunt?
Nope! You supposed to be slaying them, not hanging out with them at family reunions. :)
However, if a GM wants to hack the AP in that way, I'd love to read the campaign journal.
Maybe not giants, but I hope we hear more about Gigas. They've only showed up twice and one of those times was in a module. They need more love.
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I wonder if giants / half giants will be a playable race for this jolly green jaunt?Nope! You supposed to be slaying them, not hanging out with them at family reunions. :)
However, if a GM wants to hack the AP in that way, I'd love to read the campaign journal.
Hodor!
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Huh. First Iron Gods totally Barrier Peaks'd me.
Now it seems Giant Slayer will Against the Giants me.
Nice work. Two totally iconic adventure paths in a row. Neither one is weird, nor is it a weird followed by a regular AP. Just awesomeness followed by awesomeness.
And Ice Tomb of the Giant Queen is reminiscent of the first ever published/3PP adventure Palace of the Vampire Queen. I'm playing that now in a PbP and
About the only thing left would be either a Sentinel/Gauntlet mashup or some weird adventure down a rabbit hole with crazed talking animals and insane royalty. Or the moody excellence of X4-X5. I do love me some Sinister Secrets of Saltmarsh etc, but I'm hoping Marc Radle's sahuagin adventure for Raging Swan Press scratches that itch...
A couple tidbits from the Know Direction podcast (and compliments of Anthony Li):
Minderhal and Zursvaater will get entries in the articles.
The titles and authors-
Battle of Bloodmarch Hill by Patrick Renie
The Hill Giant's Pledge by Larry Wilhelm
Forge of the Giant God by Tim Hitchcock
Ice Tomb (Tome?) of the Giant Queen by Jim Groves
Anvil of Fire by Sean K. Reynolds
Shadow of the Storm Tyrant by Tito Leati
interesting:)
i never thought of Patrick Renie as an adventure writer, Larry Wilhelm is somewhat new to me (mostly he does PFS mods and way finder stuff?), great to see Tim again:) his adventures have always been fun to run (i know Racing to Ruin gets bad reviews but it was one of the funnest adventure i've run yet:) can't wait to see what Jim and SKR do with higher level stuff and Tito is always brilliant:)so high hopes:)
however no Richard Pett, Brandon Hodges, Amber Scott or Crystal Frasier? how can you have an Adventure Path without ANY of them?
and i do have concerns with 2 rookies starting it out.
like i said tho high hopes:)
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Now we just need a level 17-20 Module published where you learn Giants have been manipulated by the Drow and you need to head below to remind the Dark Elves why they remain below ground. ;)
So is Shadow of the Storm Tyrant going to have Storm Giants or Shadow Giants!? I'm so confused!
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So is Shadow of the Storm Tyrant going to have Storm Giants or Shadow Giants!? I'm so confused!
Maybe it will have Stormshadow Giants- Giant Ninjas with machine guns.
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So is Shadow of the Storm Tyrant going to have Storm Giants or Shadow Giants!? I'm so confused!Maybe it will have Stormshadow Giants- Giant Ninjas with machine guns.
But, that would imply that the "secret masters" are serpentfolk!
THIS one sounds like a kick! Who doesn't love being thumped by giants??? I think I'd play a gnome. Then it'd be against the giant giants =}
If we are getting giant ninjas then we need giant pirates, giant princesses, giant knights, and giant jesters:)
i'm gonna go ahead and hypothesize that it'll ultimately boil down to being a love story:)
I know all Giants have low will saves, so a party with lots of (Will) save or suck spells will dominate a group of giants. I'm curious how the writers will bypass this one dimensional element of all giants.
with a pretty gem in one hand and the other hidden behind the back holding a stout club?
I may have heard somewhere that giants will have new giant feats to help them out and to expand their giant-ness.