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Two words for this episode: G$@!**NIT BARRY!Are you trying to get on my list of People to Eat Last During the Zombiepocalypse?
Maybe....
Also maybe perhaps Barry is being influenced by the Time Masters? That's the only way to make sense of it.
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F&##ing Barry...
Just another reason Wally West will always be my favorite Flash!
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LOL... yeah, I can totally see next season start up Rip Hunter showing up wondering what he just did.
Personally, i'm fine with saving the mom... I stand by that FIXES the time line that Thawne actively screwed up. It wipes out a lot of history... but it does set right what was wrong.
Most importantly... This means we'll still have a Harrison Wells around. He won't be E-2 Wells, and he won't be Thawne Wells (probably) but original E-1 Well's death was just nixed, so I'm pretty giddy about that. I love seeing that actor in the show and quite depressed when he announced he was going back home.
So come next season... 'real' Jay Garrick. Harrison Wells. No Iris romance. Ohhh and somehow Supergirl.
I gotta say, I'm good with how next season is shaping up. :D
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I think that Barry's actions are emotional, and in line with one attribute played up by John's run on the comics...
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He hopes his actions will result in the best outcome. Whether it be to surrender his speed to Zoom, hoping his friends would be able to get it back, or hoping that he can clear his dad, Barry's always run on hope, and inspires hope in others.
Does he make the best decisions? Not always. But he inspires others to be better.
I thought Superman was the inspirational guy....
I thought Superman was the inspirational guy....
Well, yes, but since he doesn't seem to exist in the Arrow/Flash-verse, we need someone and Barry has (IMO) always fit that bill.
Well I agree Barry is an optimist, I'm not sure he's always the most inspirational guy. Well maybe. Dunno.
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I wonder if any changes will happen on Arrow or LoT due to this? I suppose I can imagine Rip and them being outside time when it all went down, but I could see the Arrow crew being altered somehow... Though then your shaking up a show based on the actions of ANOTHER show...
Not a great move. One of the downsides of a combined universe... if there are NO changes... then it feels off too.
I'm pretty sure Superman can't teleport or use telekinesis. But I don't know what the New 52/Rebirth/Re-whatever did to him.... :-D
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Apparently, based on the Arrow finale, Oliver is the 'inspirational guy'.
Didn't see that one coming, did ya. :]
As to timeline changes... my guess is that they will initially be MASSIVE... to the point that Barry is effectively forced to do a self-retcon to put things back as close to the original as possible.
Oy, vey.
"Allen, you can't mess with the timeline. The more you change, the more the ripples will affect the current time and you can't predict what...
Yeah. Never mind. Just do whatever it is you're going to do. I don't know why I try to explain anything to you. I probably won't even remember this conversation after you've screwed up the timeline, if I even exist at all."
Plus, if he was going to go back in time, why go all the way back to his mom? Why not go back a day or so and save his dad?
"Allen, you can't mess with the timeline. The more you change, the more the ripples will affect the current time and you can't predict what...
Yeah. Never mind. Just do whatever it is you're going to do. I don't know why I try to explain anything to you. I probably won't even remember this conversation after you've screwed up the timeline, if I even exist at all."
Plus, if he was going to go back in time, why go all the way back to his mom? Why not go back a day or so and save his dad?
Presumably saving his mom would result in more changes down the line, including his dad not necessarily dying?
But yeah who the hell knows what is happening next season.
"Allen, you can't mess with the timeline. The more you change, the more the ripples will affect the current time and you can't predict what...
Yeah. Never mind. Just do whatever it is you're going to do. I don't know why I try to explain anything to you. I probably won't even remember this conversation after you've screwed up the timeline, if I even exist at all."
Plus, if he was going to go back in time, why go all the way back to his mom? Why not go back a day or so and save his dad?
Presumably saving his mom would result in more changes down the line, including his dad not necessarily dying?
But yeah who the hell knows what is happening next season.
Hopefully the writers, but I'm not holding my breath...
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Did you catch this huge, blink and you'll miss it Easter egg in the Flash finale?
I'll be honest, when I saw Zoom's face going all me, my first thought was "just like Black Flash'. However, I totally missed the change to the ear bolt and chest piece, which pretty much seems to confirm it.
I think they need a villian that isn't just flash's evil twin for a change.
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I think they need a villian that isn't just flash's evil twin for a change.
Agreed. I assume the thinking has been that only another speedster represents any real challenge for the Flash, but if that's true the show needs more creative writers.
Speedsters have always been problematic in comics because if used to full capacity, pretty much no one should be able to beat them. Granted, depending on the villain's defenses, they might have a problem taking the bad guy down, but evading an opponent's attacks should be effortless even if "surprised."
I remember a comic story not long after Wally West became the Flash. He was sitting in a movie theatre minding his own business when suddenly everyone and everything in the theatre froze. He quickly realized that his hyperfast reflexes had reacted to something and kicked him into speed mode automatically. Looking around, he saw a gunman at the back of the theatre, who's already fired several rounds from a high-speed automatic rifle or machine gun. His reflexes had kicked in the instant a bullet touched the back of his head, before it began to penetrate. He'd had no chance to hear the shots before that because the bullets were traveling faster than sound. He had time to disarm the gunman and move around the darkened room, collecting bullets from midair.
With reflexes like that, dodging Captain Cold's gun or moving behind Black Siren as soon as she leans forward to scream shouldn't be a problem. TV-Barry is unlikely to ever develop those reflexes -- he's only fast once he gets going -- so he can be challenged by almost anyone.
the problem with grodd taking on the flash is they'd need to write something grodd level clever for grod to do to take down the flash.
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I remember a comic story not long after Wally West became the Flash. He was sitting in a movie theatre minding his own business when suddenly everyone and everything in the theatre froze. He quickly realized that his hyperfast reflexes had reacted to something and kicked him into speed mode automatically. Looking around, he saw a gunman at the back of the theatre, who's already fired several rounds from a high-speed automatic rifle or machine gun. His reflexes had kicked in the instant a bullet touched the back of his head, before it began to penetrate. He'd had no chance to hear the shots before that because the bullets were traveling faster than sound. He had time to disarm the gunman and move around the darkened room, collecting bullets from midair.
I remember that story! Always thought it was one of the better ones from Wally era. He had to run around in the dark theater, trying to find all the bullets. As I recall, he missed one. It took out an exit sign.
Another of the more creative challenges Wally faced was when on a plane. I think he was still slower and needing food recharges at the time. Stewardess gets sucked out of a hole in the plane, and he had to jump out and save her. Running doesn't do much good when you're thousands of feet up in the air. He did use his arm whirlwinds to slow their descent, though.
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the problem with grodd taking on the flash is they'd need to write something grodd level clever for grod to do to take down the flash.
Agreed, again (twice in one day, better check my apocalypse calendar). Grodd's one of my favorites, but I don't know if the writer's are good enough to write him up as the big bad yet.
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Then again, I kind of wish the writer's would rely less on the big bad throughout the season. They've got decades worth of comics stories to pull from, why not use more of that as filler material, and slowly build up to whomever they use as that season's main villain.
With reflexes like that, dodging Captain Cold's gun or moving behind Black Siren as soon as she leans forward to scream shouldn't be a problem. TV-Barry is unlikely to ever develop those reflexes -- he's only fast once he gets going -- so he can be challenged by almost anyone.
The trouble is that if you threaten the Flash by sneaking up on him, then you miss out on all that juicy face-to-face banter, and the knock-down, drag-out fights that people want to see.
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That has always been a major problem in Flash comics (specially considering they insist on making his enemies relatively powerless people, like captain cold or captain boomerang).
And the show-writers are freaking terrible at action scenes. Barry's real enemy is the idiot ball he's always carrying!
Grodd might be hard on the FX budget of the show, especially if the crew that does Flash have to also spend time on Supergirl and LoT. I don't know if we have reached the technological point where a onscreen big bad for all or most of the season can be a CGI character.
P.S. If anyone needs more Zoom, the same actor plays the main antagonist in the recent thriller/horror movie Curve, which is on netflix right now.
Grodd might be hard on the FX budget of the show, especially if the crew that does Flash have to also spend time on Supergirl and LoT. I don't know if we have reached the technological point where a onscreen big bad for all or most of the season can be a CGI character.
P.S. If anyone needs more Zoom, the same actor plays the main antagonist in the recent thriller/horror movie Curve, which is on netflix right now.
he can be a name on the computer screen for the firsthalf of the season until the big reveal.
OptiumsPfan: "I need you to go to the central city sewage plant and freeze pipe 37 B
2Chill4You: "You'd better pay me extra for putting up with this c****
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I'm pretty sure Superman can't teleport or use telekinesis. But I don't know what the New 52/Rebirth/Re-whatever did to him.... :-D
Superman's powers have been telekinetically based for a quite a while, as I recall. His speed/strength/flight are all a telekinetic shell erected around him to give him those powers and conveniently handwave away any super feats that defy physics too hard (like why an aircraft carrier doesn't collapse under its own weight when he flies off with it).
I would think at this point that most large structures would be built with superman carrying them in mind, kind of like that part on your car that you can raise on a jack without breaking anything.
*is pretty sure Grodd will be S3 villain moreso than evil speedsters*
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Yeah, they could do Grodd as the big bad, and might actually work out in a great way. The need to keep the budget down might necessitate showing him as little as possible. So then they can maybe have more filler episodes with other villains or mind controlled minions. It might even be cool to have a couple of two or three part story arcs with Barry facing down lieutenants or even just slightly more minor big villains.
Superman's powers have been telekinetically based for a quite a while, as I recall. His speed/strength/flight are all a telekinetic shell erected around him to give him those powers and conveniently handwave away any super feats that defy physics too hard (like why an aircraft carrier doesn't collapse under its own weight when he flies off with it).
He has touch-based telekinesis... In addition to physical strength, speed, etc.
Yup. He's just that overpowered.
A-Zombie,
I think it's will be more like this: Planet of the Apes meets the Flash with some other minions that Grodd may or may not bring together.
Plus I think Solovar will make an appearance in S3.
Yeah, they could do Grodd as the big bad, and might actually work out in a great way. The need to keep the budget down might necessitate showing him as little as possible. So then they can maybe have more filler episodes with other villains or mind controlled minions. It might even be cool to have a couple of two or three part story arcs with Barry facing down lieutenants or even just slightly more minor big villains.
Sounds like Season 3 of Veronica Mars.
Instead of one big story arc per season, it had a few that started, had middles, and ends, often leapfrogging each other a little bit.
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Oh, Barry. You magnificent, lovable idiot.
I do wonder how entertaining movies and television would be if the heroes only acted on perfect logic, instead of giving into emotion and human feeling. I imagine kinda boring.
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Yeah, they could do Grodd as the big bad, and might actually work out in a great way. The need to keep the budget down might necessitate showing him as little as possible. So then they can maybe have more filler episodes with other villains or mind controlled minions. It might even be cool to have a couple of two or three part story arcs with Barry facing down lieutenants or even just slightly more minor big villains.
Could even do Barry vs mind controlled Cisco...
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Yeah, they could do Grodd as the big bad, and might actually work out in a great way. The need to keep the budget down might necessitate showing him as little as possible. So then they can maybe have more filler episodes with other villains or mind controlled minions. It might even be cool to have a couple of two or three part story arcs with Barry facing down lieutenants or even just slightly more minor big villains.Could even do Barry vs mind controlled Cisco...
I like the way you think. That would be cool.
Underscore the preposition *A* in that since it's not THE Flashpoint.
NICE!!! I really enjoyed the Flashpoint Paradox!
A time travel-based storyline on a show full of time travel-related plot holes...
I can't wait... ¬¬'
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If only there was a fellow time traveler who knows (of) the Flash AND Doctor Who....
And as a side note, how bad of a break-up does a couple have to go through for one half to end up in DC, and the other half in the Marvel Universe?
If only there was a fellow time traveler who knows (of) the Flash AND Doctor Who....
That would be a fun crossover.
And as a side note, how bad of a break-up does a couple have to go through for one half to end up in DC, and the other half in the Marvel Universe?
Taylor Swift kind of bad. Her and any of her son... er exes.