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They have the mutant sensor and Caitlin didn't make it ping.
Caitlin might end up getting powers from some other source sometime in the future.
I think the showrunners have mentioned that Killer Frost will show up at some point, but it doesn't sound like this season?
Caitlin might end up getting powers from some other source sometime in the future.
I think the showrunners have mentioned that Killer Frost will show up at some point, but it doesn't sound like this season?
** spoiler omitted **Caitlin might end up getting powers from some other source sometime in the future.
I think the showrunners have mentioned that Killer Frost will show up at some point, but it doesn't sound like this season?
I like the Easter egg on the CCPD wall..."A FREE AND JUST SOCIETY". Can't quite make out the multiple figures in the Mercury helmets, though...soldiers? militia?
Eobard Thawne coming back as Reverse Flash makes perfect sense in one respect, but in another...not so much.
If Eobard/RF already had a history with Barry, they must have encountered each other in Eobard's past, but still in Barry's future. After any number of clashes where RF was foiled, he eventually decided to go back farther than he ever had before and kill Barry before he ever became the Flash; as we know that didn't work out as planned, but that should have left all of his "previous" encounters with a more experienced Flash intact.
Until Eddie's suicide erased Eobard from existence. Now, "erased" from existence has to be taken with a hefty dose of salt since our present day cast still remembers him. I believe we were told that the wormhole appeared in the sky above Central City as a direct effect of Eddie's action, apparently giving the universe some sort of ulcer from the time paradox he created. (I'm not at all clear on how closing that wormhole opened 52 others in town.)
Flash vs. the Turtle
Bit of a shock end but not at all out of character from what we have seen of him so far.
and of course the very end we get
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Oh, and thanks writers. Thanks for ruining every memory I’ve had of Wally West and his time as a hero. Now he’s just a punk drag racer. “Oh, but he’s doing it for noble reasons!” I call bullshit! He’s a young punk, nothing more.
Wells2 - yep, he’s a dick.
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I was kind of underwhelmed by the episode, but I did laugh at Wells
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For all his A-holeness I gotta say I still like Harry2
Ok, so for some reason the writers this season have no problem with Barry telling his ex-girlfriend, but for some reason Barry can't tell his actual girlfriend. Why must they continue the moronic relationship idiotball? Instead, they write off the best new character of the season.
Why must they continue the moronic relationship idiotball? Instead, they write off the best new character of the season.
If you say so. Personally there's nothing about Patty I find compelling. Not particularly attractive; annoyingly eager; seemingly brought into the show just so the special "unit" she was so keen to be a part of had anyone on it besides Joe and Barry; even her name: what the Hell is a "spivot" anyway? I reflexively think "spigot" every time I hear it.
I get that she's a character from the comics, and may have a pre-made fan base due to that. She's not from a period where I was reading Flash, so all I have to go on is the TV portrayal.
I'm with you on the tiresome angst about telling the girlfriend, though. Barry's been through three girlfriends in two seasons, and at some point he'll need to circle back to Iris. She already knows his secret and is comfortable with it, and fans (and a certain newspaper from the future) expect them to be together eventually, so the show runners should quit wasting time with the parade of girls-I-can't-reveal-my-secret-to.
Why does he need to circle back to his creepy fascination with his sister with whom he has negative on screen chemistry? Why write off characters with whom he actually has a ton of chemistry? I've never read the comics, so I have no idea what fanbase she may have, but this blind devotion people have to the things in the comics being how they need to be in the TV show is annoying as hell.
Also, Patty is the most attractive girl they have had on the show.
Why does he need to circle back to his creepy fascination with his sister with whom he has negative on screen chemistry? Why write off characters with whom he actually has a ton of chemistry? I've never read the comics, so I have no idea what fanbase she may have, but this blind devotion people have to the things in the comics being how they need to be in the TV show is annoying as hell.
Also, Patty is the most attractive girl they have had on the show.
Because there is an idiotic idea floating around in both comic book companies right now that "Superheroes can't have a happy normal life." Superheroes sacrifice so much to be heroes that it means their social lives must always be a mess.
No getting married, no having a stable relationship, no happy.
You can be a hero or you can have a happy life, but not both. Thus there is Drama when they much choose between the two.
Also, Patty is the least attractive girl they have on the show.
Fixed it for objective reality. I couldn't remember everyone who's ever been on the show, but she's not even the top regular. To be fair, I haven't seen the actress in anything else; she may be fine. Patty, not so much.
Barry "has to" (read: "should") circle back to Iris because not doing so tosses out too much comic canon for no reason. Barry and Iris have speedster descendants. I agree that slavish devotion to every detail in the comics is a bad thing, but the show runners here have demonstrated a respect for the comic fans, and where they make changes to the comics it's because there was a good reason to do so.
Barry "has to" (read: "probably will eventually") circle back to Iris because a future newspaper said he does. Yes, that future could be changed by decisions made in the past. In fact, perhaps it already was changed when Iris and Eddie got serious. And perhaps it was changed back when Eddie shot himself.
I'm not a believer in Destiny, or a "self-correcting" future within the show so sensitive to change that it will insist on Iris marrying Barry, but I think it'll have to go that way eventually, for the same reason that Superman will never end up with anyone but Lois Lane or Lana Lang; Spider-man (Peter Parker, not Miles Morales) will never end up with anyone but MJ or Gwen Stacy, and Batman will have a brief relationship with either Selina Kyle or Talia al Ghul (or both) and eventually die alone.
Also, Patty is the least attractive girl they have on the show.
Fixed it for objective reality. I couldn't remember everyone who's ever been on the show, but she's not even the top regular. To be fair, I haven't seen the actress in anything else; she may be fine. Patty, not so much.
We will have to agree to disagree. I find her much more attractive than Caitlin (number 2), Iris, Barry's ex, Hawkgirl, or Golden Glider. I can't think of any other women of note for the show.
Barry "has to" (read: "should") circle back to Iris because not doing so tosses out too much comic canon for no reason. Barry and Iris have speedster descendants. I agree that slavish devotion to every detail in the comics is a bad thing, but the show runners here have demonstrated a respect for the comic fans, and where they make changes to the comics it's because there was a good reason to do so.
That they hired actors with no chemistry together is a reason. TV shows are an evolving thing. Tying your hands to the source material prevents that. They need to let it evolve on its own, and forcing a relationship that does not work on screen is detrimental to the show.
Barry "has to" (read: "probably will eventually") circle back to Iris because a future newspaper said he does. Yes, that future could be changed by decisions made in the past. In fact, perhaps it already was changed when Iris and Eddie got serious. And perhaps it was changed back when Eddie shot himself.
Or now they never get together because of the gulf that Eddie's sacrifice created. That future has been erased, and the show can go wherever they want.
I'm not a believer in Destiny, or a "self-correcting" future within the show so sensitive to change that it will insist on Iris marrying Barry, but I think it'll have to go that way eventually, for the same reason that Superman will never end up with anyone but Lois Lane or Lana Lang; Spider-man (Peter Parker, not Miles Morales) will never end up with anyone but MJ or Gwen Stacy, and Batman will have a brief relationship with either Selina Kyle or Talia al Ghul (or both) and eventually die alone.
Once again, sticking to the original source material for no reason but the detriment of the show.
I'm sorry, but Patty is definitely the prettiest girl on the show right after the girl that explodes stuff.
Sounds about right to me. Though between Caitlin and Felicity, Flash seems to be surrounded by pretty girls a LOT... Iris really is my least favorite gal on the show. She's just... so... ANNOYING on every level.
I really.. REALLY wish they had just had him 'adopted' by Joe Smith. Keeping the same story... the same actor playing Joe.. but losing the 'in love my pseudo-sister' ick-fest. That has really not added ANYTHIGN to the show or mythology. Had Iris been a crime reporter hanging around the station or something... it would have worked a LOT better.
Why is everyone so convinced the relationship is over for good? I'll believe it when she leaves town and/or dies.
And yeah, Patty and Barry have great chemistry, so I hope the relationship isn't over.
Um, she IS leaving town.
But hasn't LEFT town.
Um, she IS leaving town.
So far... bus hasn't reached the city line yet ;)
I seem to be in the minority, but I found Patty very annoying and massively inconsistent. To me, she was not at all the type Flash/Barry needed, as her sole response to violence seemed to be draw her gun and shoot it. Even at a fancy party/date.
Hm. Think about it. This episode. Why did she have a gun with her? Just because she's a cop? And, where was she keeping it?
She's supposed to be a good cop...why fire on an unarmed thief? Just because he's a meta?
'Thank you, whoever you are?' Um, I thought she was supposed to be such a great detective (re Wally's crack about Joe).
Everyone complained that Iris never figured it out, why is no one upset about Patty's equal (and much less justified) blindness. She's seen Wells-2 (and shot him - is she trying to rack up as big a body count as Arrow?), she knows Joe was there in Star Labs and knew about Wells, she tracks down metas like she's using Well's tracker device, she realized Barry was blind at that date, I could go on...and she never once guessed what was going on? Couldn't she at least have asked what happened to the Turtle?
I'd like her to have seen her made some comment that indicated she at least suspected the truth.
Sorry, to me, she's no loss.
She's been nearly killed by a metahuman on almost every episode she's appeared in so far.
To be honest, I'd be surprised if she DIDN'T have a "Shoot on sight" policy and carry a gun everywhere.
I laughed my ass off when she shot Wells.
"Don't move."
"I'm gonna move."
"Seriously I'll shoot you."
"I don't believe you."
*Move*
*BANG*
We need more of that in shows rather than "Don't move" being code for "Even if you run away I'll give you a 30 second head start before firing".
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The whole Barry/Patty thing was hit and miss for me. She had moments where she was cool, but more often than not I found her to be rather annoying. Not on the level of Iris, mind you, but close enough.
Though I am surprised that no one has brought up that Jay is slowly dying due to no longer being connected to the Speed Force. I had a feeling that something like this was going on, but wasn't sure until Caitlin confirmed it.
I laughed my ass off when she shot Wells.
"Don't move."
"I'm gonna move."
"Seriously I'll shoot you."
"I don't believe you."
*Move*
*BANG*
Ditto. I like that Cisco lists 'plus she shot Harry' as one of Patty's plus points, like it's a badge of honor.
Seriously. She is more capable of taking care of herself than almost anyone else in team flash, and both of his last 2 girlfriends had issues with him maintaining his secret identity. Not to mention not knowing almost got Iris killed. This should be a no brainer for him, where they showed in the previous episode that he was willing to open up, and instead he plays relationship idiot ball and makes the same mistake a 3rd time.
Seriously. She is more capable of taking care of herself than almost anyone else in team flash, and both of his last 2 girlfriends had issues with him maintaining his secret identity. Not to mention not knowing almost got Iris killed. This should be a no brainer for him, where they showed in the previous episode that he was willing to open up, and instead he plays relationship idiot ball and makes the same mistake a 3rd time.I laughed my ass off when she shot Wells.
"Don't move."
"I'm gonna move."
"Seriously I'll shoot you."
"I don't believe you."
*Move*
*BANG*
Ditto. I like that Cisco lists 'plus she shot Harry' as one of Patty's plus points, like it's a badge of honor.
First, it has to be shown as an actual 'mistake'. Being best for the relationship.. and protecting her feelings... is in no way 'best' for her OR him. Sometimes the greatest good really is letting the relationship die before she does.
1) She's KINDA unstable. She really does have this quickdraw bang-bang mentality. So far its' served her well.. but her vengeance hunt went to some dark places.
2) Can she keep a secret?? It's bad enough that Cisco blabs to the coffee waitress and everyone else seems to be in on it... but there's no point in taking chances. Iris was totally untrustworthy. What with that stupid blog of hers?? When Barry asked her to stop it... and then Flash told her to stop it... but SHE knows BEST!! YEah, I wouldn't have told her either.
3) Zoom's whole story is how he stole the most important person to Harry because she was a weakness... Barry has a lot of weak people around him... but the girlfriend is always prize bait/hostage.
Sometimes the hero needs to cut his loses and keep that secret. Doesn't make it a 'mistake' or an 'idiot ball'. Just a choice.
You would have a point if he'd specifically chosen to break up with her to protect her life.
He did not. He wished to continue the relationship, and did the exact wrong things necessary to make that happen, which makes what he did a mistake.
Perhaps it is better in the long term, but just because you screw up and there's a good outcome, that doesn't mean you didn't screw up to begin with.
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Seriously. She is more capable of taking care of herself than almost anyone else in team flash, and both of his last 2 girlfriends had issues with him maintaining his secret identity. Not to mention not knowing almost got Iris killed. This should be a no brainer for him, where they showed in the previous episode that he was willing to open up, and instead he plays relationship idiot ball and makes the same mistake a 3rd time.
Yeah, on this score, it's Smallville 2.0.
"I must keep my secret from Lana, even if it results in her stumbling into danger every week trying to figure out why everyone is lying to her, and it's messing with the relationships of everyone who is helping me lie to her, too!"
"Oh no, Lana knows! And the consequences were that she's no longer the damsel in distress every single Tuesday because she didn't know what to avoid or where to go to be safe! And lots of sex! Woe is me!"
"I must keep my secret from LanaLois, even if it results in her stumbling into danger every week trying to figure out why everyone is lying to her, and it's messing with the relationships of everyone who is helping me lie to her, too!"
What I found annoying is that pretty early in the episode, Barry decided to tell her. And then he has about 3-4 chances to do so, but he dithers around aimlessly and doesn't bother to do so. Either shit or get off the pot, Barry.
Seriously. She is more capable of taking care of herself than almost anyone else in team flash, and both of his last 2 girlfriends had issues with him maintaining his secret identity. Not to mention not knowing almost got Iris killed. This should be a no brainer for him, where they showed in the previous episode that he was willing to open up, and instead he plays relationship idiot ball and makes the same mistake a 3rd time.Yeah, on this score, it's Smallville 2.0.
"I must keep my secret from Lana, even if it results in her stumbling into danger every week trying to figure out why everyone is lying to her, and it's messing with the relationships of everyone who is helping me lie to her, too!"
"Oh no, Lana knows! And the consequences were that she's no longer the damsel in distress every single Tuesday because she didn't know what to avoid or where to go to be safe! And lots of sex! Woe is me!"
"I must keep my secret from
LanaLois, even if it results in her stumbling into danger every week trying to figure out why everyone is lying to her, and it's messing with the relationships of everyone who is helping me lie to her, too!"
My biggest problem was the whole 'moving on to another girl' philosophy. Smallville and Raimi's Spider-man shows did that a LOT...
"Oh no... Being with me is too dangerous! In order to protect the love of my life, I need to keep her away from me...
"HEY new girl... how YOU doing???"
/bangs head into wall.
If it's too dangerous to be with Lana... then it's too dangerous to be with Lois. or Gwen... or random girl on the street...
That's what I loved about about Garfield's Spider-man. When it was too dangerous to be with Gwen, he dated NOBODY and focused on keeping everyone safe. Just a LITTLE consistency with these life altering decisions please. ;)
Shipping out Patty seems like a ham-fisted attempt to return to the possibility of romance between Barry and Iris and avoid a Felicity circumstance, which bothers me.
Patty and Barry's actors have great chemistry on screen. Iris... not so much.
The big problem with Iris is that she's essentially a reoccuring character, who should be appearing in maybe 2-3 episodes per season, but she's being shoved into EVERY episode. The writers don't know what to do with her until they hook her up with Barry, but they aren't letting that stop them from shoehorning her in.
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The big problem with Iris is that she's essentially a reoccuring character, who should be appearing in maybe 2-3 episodes per season, but she's being shoved into EVERY episode. The writers don't know what to do with her until they hook her up with Barry, but they aren't letting that stop them from shoehorning her in.
I think you just described 9 out of 10 CW network shows.
Really the only other thing on CW I watch is iZombie.
Something interesting for those complaining of sticking to comic book arcs: Patty's story in the comics canon
Could have been worse, after all. This is the second time in TV canon she was abducted by a Flash enemy and (sorry) in comics canon Barry was married once to Iris (who was murdered by Reverse-Flash/Professor Zoom) then fell in love again and had his fiance murdered by same person AT THE WEDDING. Patty could have just been being set up as just a victim. At least now there's an option for her to return.
PS: I still don't like the character, though. ;)
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I loved last night's episode! And I have a new theory on the origin/identity of Zoom!
I'm glad Patty figured out he was the Flash, and the scene on the train at the end was pretty cool.
I liked the scene with Iris and her mom.
I like the expansion of Cisco's powers.
Well2 is still a dick, and it looks like he might be moving forward with his plans to betray Wally by stealing his speed.
Hunter Zolomon! WOOT! Could it be that he will eventually become ZOOM, then travel back in time to steal more speed? Will Caitlin inadvertently be the cause of Zoom's creation, and Jay's subsequent loss of speed power, all in an attempt to cure Jay? I can see her getting desperate, performing an experiment to give Hunter the same mutated DNA Jay has, so that she can heal Jay. But something goes wrong and...BOOM!....we get Zoom instead.
Last nights episode may have convinced me to give up on the show
Oh, look! A time-travel episode that creates a bunch of plot holes are inconsistencies...
I'm shocked... ¬¬'
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Yeah, I really wasn't happy with Harry saying and practically in the same breath.
What might work is to establish that there's more than one method of travelling through time, and that each method has its own rules and limitations. That could allow for Barry, Thawne, and Rip Hunter to be able (or unable) to accomplish different things via time travel.
Just tossing out "time travel is unpredictable" as a blanket excuse for everything is lazy, and recalls DC's introduction of Hypertime.
I hate time-travel plots... Did I mention I hate time-travel plots? Because I really do! With the passion of a thousand suns!
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I expected Harry to say "I'm so sorry" when talking about fixed points.
And as to the contradictrion... I understand it from Flashpoint. It is in their past, therefore it's a fixed point in their timeline. If Barry saved his mom, it mucks with everything. That's why we have a Barry stopping 'our' Barry from saving her.