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I promise, I'll stop spamming this thread soon, but I do want to say what an interesting set up T7V and TEO have if they are going to work together. Between the two of them they have all the mountain resources they will need, lots and lots of forest resources, and some croplands in hand plus more nearby. If these two can work out a trading relationship, it is a powerhouse double setup (not saying anything bad about Pax Aeternum up in H, H is a great spot for self sufficiency with a mix of forest and mountains but croplands and highlands hexes not far off. Just gotta watch that mountain pass).
And if you can't tell, I'm really excited to get the Land Rush rolling.
I probably spent in excess of 20 hours over the last two weeks in various discussions with the principals. My one reservation was that I had trouble believing that one position could be so good.
And while it isn't ready for a formal annoucement, it isn't a secret at all that TEO and TSV will be working together very closely. Nor is it a secret that we will be recruiting additional members of our alliance.
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I'll try this again... Now that the first three settlements have been selected, using the old Land Rush numbers, how will that prevent the same members voting a second time to secure another settlement hex in the next land rush?
Have the names of those who voted previously been recorded to ensure double voting does not occur?
If someone had voted in the first land rush, wishes for their vote not to be used for that company, will they be able to place it elsewhere?
I am not suggesting that any changes be made in the first three selected. It just seems possible that the same three will be able to secure a second or more locations if they get to vote again.
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I'll try this again... Now that the first three settlements have been selected, using the old Land Rush numbers, how will that prevent the same members voting a second time to secure another settlement hex in the next land rush?
Have the names of those who voted previously been recorded to ensure double voting does not occur?
If someone had voted in the first land rush, wishes for their vote not to be used for that company, will they be able to place it elsewhere?
I am not suggesting that any changes be made in the first three selected. It just seems possible that the same three will be able to secure a second or more locations if they get to vote again.
I am also wondering how that will play out. Allies swapping members back and forth, week to week to manipulate totals?
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I am also wondering how that will play out. Allies swapping members back and forth, week to week to manipulate totals?I'll try this again... Now that the first three settlements have been selected, using the old Land Rush numbers, how will that prevent the same members voting a second time to secure another settlement hex in the next land rush?
Have the names of those who voted previously been recorded to ensure double voting does not occur?
If someone had voted in the first land rush, wishes for their vote not to be used for that company, will they be able to place it elsewhere?
I am not suggesting that any changes be made in the first three selected. It just seems possible that the same three will be able to secure a second or more locations if they get to vote again.
I tend to disfavor this tactic, particularly for those with special selection such as ourselves. So I am also a bit curious.
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That is actually something of particular concern for Golgotha. We don't want to be seen as going against the spirit of the Landrush, and we don't want to be seen as gaming the system. If we are able to secure a city spot for ourselves, we want it to be on our own merit.
It should not be a problem as long as none of your members had already voted in the first land rush for Aeternum, and none of theirs (who had voted already), vote for Golgotha.
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I agree with Bluddwolf and Lifedragn. There are a lot of votes with those top three, there should be some way to eliminate or minimize the potential for ballot-stuffing.
Also, limiting this potential would promote seeking out new players by all guilds, which can't be a bad thing for GW.
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The blog didn't include any information about the possibility of 'switching guilds' during the land rush. Thus, my guess is that once you have joined a guild that decision is fixed for the duration of the land rush. If so, this would prevent "Allies swapping members back and forth, week to week to manipulate totals".
As to the original three guilds... maybe users will need to sign up for membership in those as well? I suppose they could sign up for some other guild solely for land rush purposes, but then there could be unforeseen side-effects. E.g. will PCs start in their guild hex? When will the logic to switch guilds be enabled in game? Could the starting resources for each settlement be partially determined by the number of settlers? Et cetera.
If people are REALLY worried about it maybe Goblinworks could require at least as many people as pledged them in the first rush to sign up for the three initial guilds to 'validate' their starting hexes. Given that there will likely be some sort of e-mail going out to all the people eligible for EE I suspect those numbers are about to become small in comparison to the activity in the 'second phase' of the land rush.
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Question: The blog says that Brokenlands are "are all Monster (or Monster Homeland) hexes", but currently both the landrush and large maps show many of them as 'Badlands' hexes which are easier for monsters to escalate into. Did the blog overlook the possibility of these also being Badlands hexes or is this a change where the maps will be updated?
On the Official Land Rush Map we used to select our starting sites, all of the Brokenlands are either Monster or Home hexes. I think the larger map wasn't ever really meant to be released, and I would imagine it has a few "future corrections" pending :)
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Hugging that South East corner seems like a very good move by the AB'ers. What will the AD'ers do about them, I wonder?
Why, the AD'ers will help us secure and develop our Settlement, of course! They're our major ally, and very good friends :)
I promise, I'll stop spamming this thread soon, but I do want to say what an interesting set up T7V and TEO have if they are going to work together. Between the two of them they have all the mountain resources they will need, lots and lots of forest resources, and some croplands in hand plus more nearby. If these two can work out a trading relationship, it is a powerhouse double setup...
Well, we're definitely planning on working together, and we really appreciate that feedback. And I have to say, I was really relieved to learn we don't have to worry about unexpected neighbors in our "back yard" :)
[Edit] Well, that is, we don't have to worry about it "for a while" :)
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Hugging that South East corner seems like a very good move by the AB'ers. What will the AD'ers do about them, I wonder?Why, the AD'ers will help us secure and develop our Settlement, of course! They're our major ally, and very good friends :)
Aww, thanks!
(I'm mildly amused by the cooincidence of our starting location sharing my initials)
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When people voted in the Land Rush Poll here on the forum, the votes are tracked in Paizo's database. So we know which Paizo accounts voted for each of the three guilds who won.
We are asking those people to not vote in the new Land Rush promotion - they have already been accounted for.
If we believe this has become a problem, we have the capability to go into the original poll, extract all the Paizo usernames, connect those usernames to Goblinworks accounts, and see who has decided to be a bad member of the community. We hope that will not be necessary.
Everyone else who voted is free to associate with any Guild in the new Land Rush they wish. Except for the people who participated in the winning 3 Guilds in the original Poll, everyone else is a free agent.
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On the Official Land Rush Map we used to select our starting sites, all of the Brokenlands are either Monster or Home hexes. I think the larger map wasn't ever really meant to be released, and I would imagine it has a few "future corrections" pending :)
Interesting. Actually, back when the maps in the two recent blog posts came out I did a comparison and listed the differences. This new map you linked is obviously a revision of the land rush map, but looks like it includes all (or nearly so) of the differences found on the larger map... plus the change of having all Brokenlands now be Monster or Monster Homeland hexes. Thus, it seems like the large map was the more accurate of the original two... now replaced by this one of course.
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@Ryan - just curious as to those with Destiny's Twin or multiple accounts? If I have two characters, one good and one evil, would it not reason that I should be able to vote for two settlements since they won't be able to both train at the original settlement I voted for?
I know that is a slippery slope as it could very easily turn into pay to win, but I had to ask.
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@Ryan - just curious as to those with Destiny's Twin or multiple accounts? If I have two characters, one good and one evil, would it not reason that I should be able to vote for two settlements since they won't be able to both train at the original settlement I voted for?
I know that is a slippery slope as it could very easily turn into pay to win, but I had to ask.
Lol. /facepalm
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When people voted in the Land Rush Poll here on the forum, the votes are tracked in Paizo's database. So we know which Paizo accounts voted for each of the three guilds who won.
We are asking those people to not vote in the new Land Rush promotion - they have already been accounted for.
If we believe this has become a problem, we have the capability to go into the original poll, extract all the Paizo usernames, connect those usernames to Goblinworks accounts, and see who has decided to be a bad member of the community. We hope that will not be necessary.
Everyone else who voted is free to associate with any Guild in the new Land Rush they wish. Except for the people who participated in the winning 3 Guilds in the original Poll, everyone else is a free agent
This is excellent news! Thank you GW for being so responsive to this community!
@Ryan - just curious as to those with Destiny's Twin or multiple accounts? If I have two characters, one good and one evil, would it not reason that I should be able to vote for two settlements since they won't be able to both train at the original settlement I voted for?
I know that is a slippery slope as it could very easily turn into pay to win, but I had to ask.
My 2 cents, Destiny's Twins should not be able to vote again. Multiple accounts should, as long as you did not already use the votes on both accounts in the original Land Rush poll (e.g., if one of your accounts did not cast a vote last round, you could cast one with that account. If both accounts cast votes, c'est la vie.)
EDIT: Fixed that, thanks Ryan!
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Well fiddles, looks like I changed my vote when Golgotha merged into Pax. Oh well!
I'm in the same boat I guess. My vote went to Pax Aeternum when UNC was a chartered company. Now if I wanted to set up our own settlement, I can't put my vote to it.
This is one of the problems of really not making it clear how the new Landrush would work, or inform those who were in the original that the old land rush would lock them in.
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The moving finger writes, and having writ
Moves on, and neither piety nor wit
Can lure it back to cancel half a line,
Nor tears wash out a single word of it.
I don't say this to be flippant, but rather as a realization that there will be many hard and meaningful choices in PFO that we will all be making with incomplete information.
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When people voted in the Land Rush Poll here on the forum, the votes are tracked in Paizo's database. So we know which Paizo accounts voted for each of the three guilds who won.
We are asking those people to not vote in the new Land Rush promotion - they have already been accounted for.
If we believe this has become a problem, we have the capability to go into the original poll, extract all the Paizo usernames, connect those usernames to Goblinworks accounts, and see who has decided to be a bad member of the community. We hope that will not be necessary.
Everyone else who voted is free to associate with any Guild in the new Land Rush they wish. Except for the people who participated in the winning 3 Guilds in the original Poll, everyone else is a free agent.
That sounds like "Now that a method of cheating has been identified, don't do it. I'm going to strongly consider the benefits and drawbacks of having eligible voters join groups strategically, or have mid-sized groups combine forces to get the settlement site of their choice rather than two less desirable choices.
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Just to be clear. Those of us that have backed with a guild pledge through Kickstarter need to reregister our guild through GoblinWorks for approval?
Then all the guild pledges plus any other new early enrollment and other kickstarter early enrollment players that wish to register their guild may do so through the site? Then only the top vote getting guilds of 30 will actually get a choice of settlement for early access?
What happens to the other guilds that don't make the top 30, including I'm assuming the guild backers?
Will this voting impact when a kickstarter guild will get into early enrollment? Will this voting impact the guild's right to reserve their name?
Thanks so much. This whole thing does sound pretty interesting and a little overwhelming. Lol
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JDNNYC:
The Land Rush will determine ONLY which guilds get a settlement at settlement launch. All of the Kickstarter rewards are independent of the Land Rush results, including a guild name and EE entry.
If your guild really wants to have a settlement of their own ASAP, now is the time to start with the meaningful human interaction, either recruiting enough players to secure your position in the top 30, or making feudal arrangements with other small guilds so that the bloc of several of you can control a settlement of your own.
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Well fiddles, looks like I changed my vote when Golgotha merged into Pax. Oh well!I'm in the same boat I guess. My vote went to Pax Aeternum when UNC was a chartered company. Now if I wanted to set up our own settlement, I can't put my vote to it.
This is one of the problems of really not making it clear how the new Landrush would work, or inform those who were in the original that the old land rush would lock them in.
Well, technically, you were supposed to cast your vote for the 'Guild' you belonged to. Not for the settlement you wanted to be chartered by. Then the 'Guilds' with the largest showing were going to be given a settlement.
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This whole thing does sound pretty interesting and a little overwhelming. Lol
Tell me about it! We found out Wednesday afternoon that we had about 36 hours to make our final decision, which we needed to coordinate heavily with TEO. It was nerve-wracking, but also extremely exciting. I found myself very grateful to have Decius around because he brought a level of methodical clarity to the endeavor that I think is an extremely valuable complement to my own generally intuitive thinking.
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Shouldn't it be 27 spots up for grabs instead of 30 since 3 will be claimed by TEO/PAX/T7V? Or will those 3 guilds be participating as well with automatic rankings of 1-3?We're still keeping the total number of settlements up for the Land Rush at 30, but there will be technically be 33 claimed once it's all over. There are around 60 total in the area mapped out, so we had some wiggle room.This is somewhat disappointing, as decisions were made based on the assumption that the lettered settlements were going to be the only ones available for claim. Knowing this could have changed the discussions the 3 winners had with the 36 hours we were given to choose our location. It would have been nice to see the 33 choice map.
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Also, this blind draft seems like a bad idea, as it can put people in very difficult situations. If kingdoms are pre-forming, they will want to be close together, but your system could place them very far apart.
I would strongly suggest having a 30 day draft event, where each 'guild' has an entire day to choose, and the order is determined at the start of the 30 day period.
I disagree. I think this will add a bit of challenge and randomness to this. And besides, if people do want to "group up", then they need to work their numbers up or make new alliances. Maybe getting "stuck" with new people will promote finding "new" friends, or another thought is it would promote WAR as you try to claim "Your" spot once the game launches.
This system is good IMHO.
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I find myself wondering whether it'll be any more difficult for TEO, Pax, and T7V to recruit now that we have our sites. It seems there's room for other groups to look for interesting incentives to offer to boost their own group-sizes at the expense of those now "settled".
Fun times coming...starting today.
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My thoughts, and I guess maybe a plea of sorts, would be that there maybe be a few case by case decisions, such as Bludd being cast in with PAX, where people can "switch" their votes from what was done on this poll. Most everyone knows Bludd is the face (leader) of UNC, and has been since the start. I am sure there are a few others (1 other mentioned it I think above) and I think if research is done, it should be ok. Besides, if PAX losing 1 vote because bludd switched back to UNC, causes a big hassle some thing is wrong LOL.
Again, I am only asking because it is well known, and I am saying only for a few cases like his, I think it should be allowed. Maybe ask the community, would this be a big deal?
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My thoughts, and I guess maybe a plea of sorts, would be that there maybe be a few case by case decisions, such as Bludd being cast in with PAX, where people can "switch" their votes from what was done on this poll. Most everyone knows Bludd is the face (leader) of UNC, and has been since the start. I am sure there are a few others (1 other mentioned it I think above) and I think if research is done, it should be ok. Besides, if PAX losing 1 vote because bludd switched back to UNC, causes a big hassle some thing is wrong LOL.
Again, I am only asking because it is well known, and I am saying only for a few cases like his, I think it should be allowed. Maybe ask the community, would this be a big deal?
Why would he be counted with Pax at any point? Why should anyone give their "blessing" for someone to game the system? Am I missing something here
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Why would he be counted with Pax at any point?
If I have the sequence correct, UNC was once allied with Pax to the point their counts were combined on the original Land Rush thread. Now they're either more loosely aligned, or not aligned at all, but the UNC votes still counted to give Pax the second choice in today's announced sites.