What use is a tower-sheild?


Rules Questions


Using it to grant cover (the only reason one would use a tower shield in the first place) is a standard action each round. This means that all you can do is move. It does not allow you to grant anyone else cover, nor to cast spells or even attack those who don't have cover against you.

Maybe I am missing something, but In what situation would this be useful?

Is there any way to cast a spell (other than a quickened spell) while using a tower shield for cover? (Perhaps a spell, feat or other ability?)


It does not just grant cover - it grants total cover.

Combat - Cover - Total Cover wrote:
If you don't have line of effect to your target (that is, you cannot draw any line from your square to your target's square without crossing a solid barrier), he is considered to have total cover from you. You can't make an attack against a target that has total cover.

If you choose the edge of the square between you and your foe, and they cannot get to a place where they have line of sight through a different edge of your square, they cannot attack you. Casters can still use targeted spells against you, but it's mostly useful against archers; you use your standard action to keep your 'total cover' between the archer and you, and advance using your move action until you're within melee range.


I think it can also count as partial cover, or something like that, for people hiding behind you.

Sczarni

Not to mention its shield bonus is +2 higher than a heavy shield. If you take the feat Shield Specialization, like my Armor Master did, a tower shield gives you a nice bump to your CMD.

The -2 to hit is really minuscule after a certain point, too.

Silver Crusade

The best use I've got from a Tower Shield wasn't mine. Instead, the big burly Fighter in my party carried a tower shield and a throwing javalin. When a fray began he would throw his javalin, set down his tower shield, and draw his great sword. The my caster hid behind the stationary Tower Shield, using it as Cover or Total Cover. It's an excellent team tactic.


Magda Luckbender wrote:
The best use I've got from a Tower Shield wasn't mine. Instead, the big burly Fighter in my party carried a tower shield and a throwing javalin. When a fray began he would throw his javalin, set down his tower shield, and draw his great sword. The my caster hid behind the stationary Tower Shield, using it as Cover or Total Cover. It's an excellent team tactic.

Sounds like a group of archers used by the Persians that would carry these enormous shields, and standing them up with a large stick. they would then kneel down behind them and shoot.

I'm not sure if either yours or my example are actually possible using pathfinder rules. :(


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Using it to grant cover (the only reason one would use a tower shield in the first place)

Any item is useless if you exclude all its uses.

People pay -2 to their attack bonus to dual wield all the time; you get the same penalty with your tower shield. The max Dex bonus cap isn't affected by Armor training, but if you get a Mithral tower shield, you'd have to have a Dex of 22 to was out the benefit of the Tower (at +6 Dex, it's the same AC as a mithral, but with no attack penalty). That's pretty high for a fighter, even a defensive one.


Snow_Tiger wrote:
Sounds like a group of archers used by the Persians that would carry these enormous shields, and standing them up with a large stick. they would then kneel down behind them and shoot.

Or the various Greek phalanxes that so were so famously effective against the same Persians at Marathon and Thermopylae.

You could approximate the effect you describe by having one character provide cover, and the one behind him use a longspear.


Or, you could play a character who doesn't care about attack rolls.


Would there be a feat reducing the standard action of making total cover of your Tower Shield, into an move equivalent action?????? That way you may even make a single attack in addition to the total cover. It doesn't sound very unrealistically as improved feint does the same for feint????


There's always that one Fighter Archetype that focuses on the Tower Shield...


Snowleopard wrote:
Would there be a feat reducing the standard action of making total cover of your Tower Shield, into an move equivalent action?????? ..

You compare apples and pears. What are the similarities between an attack against a flatfooted enemy and an attack following total cover?


Best use is to convince the enemy to have it.

Instead of having -2 to hit and +2to AC, the enemy has it. Which means your to hit and your enemy's to hit is the same as if you carry the shield. But you save the gold, have less ACP, carry less encumbrance, and don't limit yourself to max dex +2


Bizbag wrote:
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Using it to grant cover (the only reason one would use a tower shield in the first place)

Any item is useless if you exclude all its uses.

People pay -2 to their attack bonus to dual wield all the time; you get the same penalty with your tower shield. The max Dex bonus cap isn't affected by Armor training, but if you get a Mithral tower shield, you'd have to have a Dex of 22 to was out the benefit of the Tower (at +6 Dex, it's the same AC as a mithral, but with no attack penalty). That's pretty high for a fighter, even a defensive one.

you can't have mithril tower shields. It is not made of metal


Magda Luckbender wrote:
The best use I've got from a Tower Shield wasn't mine. Instead, the big burly Fighter in my party carried a tower shield and a throwing javalin. When a fray began he would throw his javalin, set down his tower shield, and draw his great sword. The my caster hid behind the stationary Tower Shield, using it as Cover or Total Cover. It's an excellent team tactic.

Pretty sure that doesn't work. First the fighter cannot throw the javelin and set the shield down in one round. And if he does it in separate rounds the total cover is specifically only for him, lasts only until his next turn and is not simply stationary after used in that way (it's still strapped to the fighters arm)


Bizbag wrote:
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Using it to grant cover (the only reason one would use a tower shield in the first place)

Any item is useless if you exclude all its uses.

People pay -2 to their attack bonus to dual wield all the time; you get the same penalty with your tower shield. The max Dex bonus cap isn't affected by Armor training, but if you get a Mithral tower shield, you'd have to have a Dex of 22 to was out the benefit of the Tower (at +6 Dex, it's the same AC as a mithral, but with no attack penalty). That's pretty high for a fighter, even a defensive one.

You can't do that, tower shields are made of wood, not metal.


Chengar Qordath wrote:
You can't do that, tower shields are made of wood, not metal.

Really? Paizo doesn't seem to have noticed.

Force Tower, a mithral tower shield amongst other things.
Collapsible Tower, which is a steel shield that becomes a tower shield.
Fortress Shield, a shield that transforms into a metal cube.


Wu Nakitu wrote:
Chengar Qordath wrote:
You can't do that, tower shields are made of wood, not metal.

Really? Paizo doesn't seem to have noticed.

Force Tower, a mithral tower shield amongst other things.
Collapsible Tower, which is a steel shield that becomes a tower shield.
Fortress Shield, a shield that transforms into a metal cube.

they could make a magic tower shield that transform itself into a cube of cheddar cheese, and that wouldn't change the fact that tower shields are made of wood. Both in real life and in the CRB


Wu Nakitu wrote:
Chengar Qordath wrote:
You can't do that, tower shields are made of wood, not metal.

Really? Paizo doesn't seem to have noticed.

Force Tower, a mithral tower shield amongst other things.
Collapsible Tower, which is a steel shield that becomes a tower shield.
Fortress Shield, a shield that transforms into a metal cube.

Doesn't change the fact that the CRB says tower shields are made of wood, not metal.

Unique magic items don't always follow the standard item rules. That's one of the perks of being a unique magic item.


Isil-zha wrote:
Magda Luckbender wrote:
The best use I've got from a Tower Shield wasn't mine. Instead, the big burly Fighter in my party carried a tower shield and a throwing javalin. When a fray began he would throw his javalin, set down his tower shield, and draw his great sword. The my caster hid behind the stationary Tower Shield, using it as Cover or Total Cover. It's an excellent team tactic.
Pretty sure that doesn't work. First the fighter cannot throw the javelin and set the shield down in one round. And if he does it in separate rounds the total cover is specifically only for him, lasts only until his next turn and is not simply stationary after used in that way (it's still strapped to the fighters arm)

Is it possible to plant it, then unstrap it so it stays there?


It used by rogues to grand yourself cover then move into stealth.

P.S. I rule that you can make tower shield out of metal, because it looks cool.


profit?:
Animated

Aura strong transmutation; CL 12th; Weight —; Price +2 Bonus
DESCRIPTION

As a move action, an animated shield can be loosed to defend its wielder on its own. For the following 4 rounds, the shield grants its bonus to the one who loosed it and then drops. While animated, the shield provides its shield bonus and the bonuses from all of the other shield special abilities it possesses, but it cannot take actions on its own, such as those provided by the bashing and blinding abilities. It can, however, use special abilities that do not require an action to function, such as arrow deflection and reflecting. While animated, a shield shares the same space as the activating character and accompanies the character who activated it, even if the character moves by magical means. A character with an animated shield still takes any penalties associated with shield use, such as armor check penalty, arcane spell failure chance, and nonproficiency. If the wielder who loosed it has an unoccupied hand, she can grasp it to end its animation as a free action. Once a shield has been retrieved, it cannot be animated again for at least 4 rounds. This special ability cannot be added to a tower shield.


just saying...


Except for that clause at the end:

"This special ability cannot be added to a tower shield."

shame, that would be pretty neat.


@ Korthis. Look at the very last sentence.

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This special ability cannot be added to a tower shield.


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a wizard with a glove of storing (or shrink object if you're poor/low-level) can make GREAT use of a tower shield during defensive/retreat actions.


Chengar Qordath wrote:
You can't do that, tower shields are made of wood, not metal.

Really? Dang, never noticed that. Good catch.

With that in mind, I think this should be a candidate for revision next edition (or whatever).. there's only one class that gets these shields by default, and it's the one that gets Armor Training, which nullifies the usefulness of a tower shield's AC bonus quickly.

I say next time, either allow metal tower shields, or have Darkwood increase the max Dex bonus of items constructed with it (it's very nearly mithral-for-wood as it is).

Shadow Lodge

i played a cleric who used one. it was an amazing party buffer, near untouchable when he wasnt healing or party buffing. i soverned glued an immovable rod to the back of the shield for partial cover, it was an amazing idea. my gm wont let me play that character anymore....


TheSideKick wrote:
i played a cleric who used one. it was an amazing party buffer, near untouchable when he wasnt healing or party buffing. i soverned glued an immovable rod to the back of the shield for partial cover, it was an amazing idea. my gm wont let me play that character anymore....

The combo with the rod, sure, but he should have been more creative dealing with the shield. It's not even hard - one Grease and you're asking a cleric with a check penalty in the teens to roll Acrobatics.

Dark Archive

A witch focused on hexing and non -somatic spells can wear platemail and a towershield to great effect.

A bard can sing behind a towershield.


I'll have to keep Titania's ideas in mind...

Dark Archive

Titania's hexes are misfortune, evil eye, and cackle. She has the accursed hex feat. So if they fail a hex the first time they can be targeted by it again the next round. Its the number one way to keep criteria from landing.

Sczarni

Ravingdork wrote:
a wizard with a glove of storing (or shrink object if you're poor/low-level) can make GREAT use of a tower shield during defensive/retreat actions.

I looked in to doing that, but even a Darkwood Tower Shield is too heavy for a Glove of Storing.


A Phalynx fighter with a tower shield in one hand and a polearm in the other can still get attacks of opportunity. With the right feats, you can make a good build that utilizes attacks of opportunity.

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Titania, the Summer Queen wrote:

A witch focused on hexing and non -somatic spells can wear platemail and a towershield to great effect.

A bard can sing behind a towershield.

Too bad the list of non-somatic Witch spells sucks. I looked into it for a Fighter/Witch combo, but I don't think it's worth it.

Although the image of a bard Inspiring Courage while cowering behind a tower shield himself is pretty funny.


D'arandriel wrote:
A Phalynx fighter with a tower shield in one hand and a polearm in the other can still get attacks of opportunity. With the right feats, you can make a good build that utilizes attacks of opportunity.

Yup. Was going to post this. My brother is running a PFS character with that build right now. Tower Shield while one-handing a reach weapon. Can be pretty effective.


I suppose the archetype mitigates the attack penalty, and you could even use a regular Spear if you don't want to use a Reach weapon

Shadow Lodge

Tower Shields can block channeled energy, as channel energy needs line of effect, which is blocked by tower shields. Selective Channeling+tower shield and you can basically never worry about healing foes again.


@Blindmage: No

Dark Archive

RainyDayNinja wrote:
Titania, the Summer Queen wrote:

A witch focused on hexing and non -somatic spells can wear platemail and a towershield to great effect.

A bard can sing behind a towershield.

Too bad the list of non-somatic Witch spells sucks. I looked into it for a Fighter/Witch combo, but I don't think it's worth it.

Although the image of a bard Inspiring Courage while cowering behind a tower shield himself is pretty funny.

I only cast spells when everyone in the combat is already fully hexed and there is nothing but attacking or casting left. By that time, they are misfortuned, and all of the evil eye hexes. So roll twice on everything and all of their saves are reduced as well. So I can cast the level one spell command to make them drop their weapon or fall down or come to me or flee depending on situation. I also have the feat that makes enemies have to save twice. So that command spell is now level two and hey have to make 4 saves and take the worst one. Fighter types have a reasonable chance of failing that.

The spells that are non -somatic are utility and healing spells.

If you look at your spell list in a out of combat frame of mind it is highly effective.

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