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I do find it interesting that Daisy is the one going off the deep end considering her past as a hacktivist complaining about government secrets and abuses. She has become almost exactly what she once feared.
I'm expecting some aspect of Crimson tide to give her the what the hell, hero speech myself One of her old partners holding up a mirror
Regardless of Daisy's current actions, I still feel she's the best thing about this show. Why? Because she went from a whiny hackivist to bad ass in less than 2 seasons.
Also tonight's episode was even more trippy. Darn time travel stuff.
More like time viewing then time travel but yeah those kind of stories are always trippy.
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Prophetic visions and talk of time predicaments sometimes make my head hurt….
For a moment, I thought that homeless dude was Jeff Daniels.
I love Ward/Hive. So far, the dude has done an awesome job of blending the two characters. I wish they’d settle on just what his power(s?) are. And it was nice to see the reactions of Coulson and company when they saw him in the video. Fitz, as his usual awesome self, quickly pointed out that this was not completely Ward, and that the Maveth monster had succeeded in his escape.
It seems like Malick is finally getting the hint (a) Hive has his own agenda, (b) that agenda doesn’t involve humans in any position other than cattle or fodder, and (c) the other inhumans Malick has recruited no longer give a s+~& what he thinks. It’ll be interesting to see how long before this fractures the bad guys.
Poor Andrew – finally gone for good. It seems like they might be setting Lash up as a potential weapon to stop Hive. If that’s turns out to be the case, then it makes the whole “inhuman powers develop as part of a plan” narrative a bit more interesting. If Lash is intended as a planned evolution to counteract Hive, and he got his powers before Hive even returned to Earth, then it begs the question of how did whatever force is behind the not-so-random inhuman development know that Hive would soon return? It might, in part, be due to the activation of the obelisk portal (when Simmons was sucked in). This happened before so many inhumans started popping up (and presumably before Andrew was exposed to the Terrigen Mist/Crystals). So that portal opening could have triggered something.
I look forward to the next episode. From the preview, it looks like they’re going to show Hive’s comic book look.
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The "inhuman powers develop as part of a plan" could tap into various precognitive inhuman abilities to be able to plan what inhuman powers are needed.
I thought it was slightly odd/disappointing that the prophetic nature of the visions this week didn't get a reference to "I guess clairvoyance IS a real thing after all" comment throwing back to season 1 when they constantly said that something like that wasn't possible.
Overall liked the episode a lot though, especially how the vision worked out not as expected. Also an cool way to tease a future episode at the end.
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Speaking of that last vision Charles provided....
I watched episode Paradise Lost which I think is a pretty apt description of this season.
What I think mostly bothers me is yes we have a vision of the future, but not enough context to make that matter. Plus the fact I'm pissed they killed Gideon's daughter. I know Gideon's going to die, it's been shown. But couldn't his death been more of a trigger to give his daughter the willingness to become someone of substance? Maybe a new Madam Masque? Hell I'd even go with the new Red Hood!
Anyways just my thoughts as we get closer to Civil War and the end of this season.
Also they should REALLY introduce Eden Fesin in this show. His powers would be awesome.
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Hm!! That is an interesting idea, CB. However I think you're forgetting that Charles predictions ALWAYS come true. At least about people dying.
-4 profession bartender for thematic purposes. Owns a bar called the crows nest where they get shipments of cheap chelaxian wine. The wine tastes like halfling feet oddly enough.
-5 Diplomacy caravan
-6 dance for your supper
-7 1 rank in profession scrive for grand lodge missions.
-8 flutter owns a farm (handle animal). Its the surfaces larger supply of spider silk, completely organic fair trade spidersilk. (she trades the spiders for it)
-19 As a dervish dancing bard dance is a given.
-26: lotus had dance, and bluff to run a caravan. SURE those are only the finest silks from tien. Charmin is Tien for "quality"
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Is this the post you intended to put here?
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No idea but it's pretty cool in some ways, Lord Fyre.
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Charles seemed to suggest that he had finally managed to stop one of his visions when he saved Daisy. In any case... I'd argue that having the individual cells of your body ripped apart into a swirling cloud of blood and tissue constitutes 'death'. It's what happens AFTER that which could get interesting.
CB,
Maybe so, but even though Charles did save Daisy, he did so at the cost of his own life. Not exactly a proposition I see favoring Gideon atm since his only living blood relative is dead. *frowns at the death of little Ms Malick as she had promise*
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Whoops...
Not nearly as embarrassing or AS misplaced as some of the other things you can misplace on the internet, but still whoops.
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Well, Hive is clearly completely irrational.
Malick is a bit of a coward and lacks personal superpowers or combat prowess, but his riches and political power are such that the President of the United States dares not make an enemy of him, and fear...fear becomes almost academic in the certainty of death.
I think Hive's going to regret this, and I'm inclined to believe that he should be aware of that if he wasn't letting his emotions/pride get the better of him.
I agree with Deadman, that Hive let his memories of others affect his better judgement. Mostly because while spite is good, it's not good to use it against someone that still has the resources that Gideon has.
*frowns at the death of little Ms Malick as she had promise*I'd allow as that was the point. Everything led up to Hive killing Gideon, and having it kill his daughter instead, for no reason other than spite, was supposed to be a surprise.
Maybe I'm just too genre savy, but it was a "surprise" I saw coming from a mile away.
I think surprise is overstatement. More like "not as telegraphed as some other plot points'
I agree with Deadman, that Hive let his memories of others affect his better judgement. Mostly because while spite is good, it's not good to use it against someone that still has the resources that Gideon has.
Not to mention someone Hive/Ward still needs to accomplish his own goals.
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I agree with Deadman, that Hive let his memories of others affect his better judgement. Mostly because while spite is good, it's not good to use it against someone that still has the resources that Gideon has.Not to mention someone Hive/Ward still needs to accomplish his own goals.
If that were really true...
<bang>
-dead-
'Ok, now I'm Gideon Mallick'
Well, Hive is clearly completely irrational.
Spoiler:I mean, killing a man's daughter and then expecting him to do anything other than attempt to utterly destroy you is pretty much a dumb thing to do out of spite.Malick is a bit of a coward and lacks personal superpowers or combat prowess, but his riches and political power are such that the President of the United States dares not make an enemy of him, and fear...fear becomes almost academic in the certainty of death.
I think Hive's going to regret this, and I'm inclined to believe that he should be aware of that if he wasn't letting his emotions/pride get the better of him.
Meta-thinking, the writers have been setting the viewers up to think Lash is the key to taking out Hive. We've seen Malick's prophesied death by Hive, and now Malick is sufficiently motivated by watching his daughter be murdered by Hive. So, maybe Malick is supposed to die attempting/succeeding in killing Hive... is what we're supposed to now think. Malick will try to kill Hive, but fail, only for Lash/Garner to redemptively die killing Hive in the finale.
To be honest I think all the build up to Lash killing Hive is a misdirect. I think he will try, but fail. (Either that, or end up joining Hive).
As for Hive and his interactions with Malick, he puts the inhuman in inhumans. He has just so little regard for Malick that the idea a mere human could cause any at all problems for him is just not something he understands.
Way to break it shield.
You have something that took out an advanced civilization hundreds if not thousands of years ahead of our own.
In going to the other side to save ONE guy that was probably dead already , you brought it back to threaten all 6 billion human lives on the planet instead of just tossing some nukes through
To be honest I think all the build up to Lash killing Hive is a misdirect. I think he will try, but fail. (Either that, or end up joining Hive).
I just don't have that much faith in the writers/showrunner/Marvel deciders to demonstrate that range or skill.
As for Hive and his interactions with Malick, he puts the inhuman in inhumans. He has just so little regard for Malick that the idea a mere human could cause any at all problems for him is just not something he understands.
I liked WardHive's schtick better when it was delivered the first time, by Mr. Morden on B5.
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Way to break it shield.
You have something that took out an advanced civilization hundreds if not thousands of years ahead of our own.
In going to the other side to save ONE guy that was probably dead already , you brought it back to threaten all 6 billion human lives on the planet instead of just tossing some nukes through
This is not what actually occurred. At all. SHIELD at no point had a portal at the same time they knew about the existence of Hive, just for starters, so when exactly were they gonna drop in a nuke?
Now, SHIELD (or more specifically Fitz) was considering going after Will, but he doesn't seem to have come to a definitive decision, and certainly never actually implemented such a plan of his own volition. HYDRA kidnapped he and Simmons, and then tortured her until he agreed to help them open the portal to bring the creature back. So...not a lot of choice there in many ways.
And even then, he betrayed them, successfully mind you, and then caught on to and actually killed Hive's host before it could get back (he did try to save Will while he was there...but, well, that's pretty reasonable to do while you're there, and as mentioned he caught on and stopped that host). Coulson killing Ward is all that even gave Hive a vessel to come through in, and he was...not in the best place emotionally while doing that, and on top of that didn't know that Hive could possess dead bodies (meaning he had no logical reason to think doing so was a problem).
Hive getting out is deeply unfortunate, but happened only through a bizarre series of coincidences people in-world had no way to predict. It was narratively predictable, but not in-world predictable.
Really, that sequence of events is not something that can be argued reasonably as 'SHIELD breaking it'. HYDRA are the ones who sent a g%*$&+n rescue expedition for the freaking thing, abducting SHIELD personnel and coercing them into aiding in that cause. SHIELD failed to stop them, certainly, but blaming SHIELD for the whole thing is just weird.
I don't blame SHIELD for Hive or Hydra. I blame the Kree.
Frankly I still feel like I missed something during his 'escape'. As I recall, Ward was killed on the other planet... then Fitz and Coulson were struggling to 'barely' get through the portal in time... and wasn't something destroyed on the other side??
Stupid long breaks on these shows...
But yeah, Shield on one side... Shield on the other... I never really understood how Hive/ward was walking on the side of the road??/
The magic of slightly lazy storytelling maybe Phantom?
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I don't blame SHIELD for Hive or Hydra. I blame the Kree.
That's fair. F%~~ing Kree.
Frankly I still feel like I missed something during his 'escape'. As I recall, Ward was killed on the other planet... then Fitz and Coulson were struggling to 'barely' get through the portal in time... and wasn't something destroyed on the other side??
Stupid long breaks on these shows...
But yeah, Shield on one side... Shield on the other... I never really understood how Hive/ward was walking on the side of the road??/
They struggled through real quick, but then ran (since the place was collapsing) they didn't see the portal close behind them. It was imminent, but they didn't see it.
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Last week was a busy one (and not in a good way) for me. I still had time to enjoy the episode at least.
Hive is just plain old, f&$~ing creepy.
Also, the ease with which they captured some of the most bad-ass SHIELD agents was very sad to see.
Considering we are fast approaching Civil War, I have been wondering if they might do a guest spot at the end of this season, with a certain Armored Avenger appearing to lay claim to the directorship. That would be cool.
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I've skipped this season so far... I've decided to wait for a year or so when it comes out on Netflix; I tend to better judge a show when I can watch it in one go without the commercials. Right now due to RL I have no way to see this show on a regular basis and I no longer want to slam the show after watching it from the corner of my eye while I check emails on my phone... LOL
Deadman,
Yep. Generally if something bat ass crazy happen, I blame the Marvel Aliens. Galactus blew up? Blame the Shi'ar. Thanos comes back from the dead? Blame the Badoon. Humans get strange powers from crystals and mist? Kree.
Well I didn't see that ending coming in last nights episode.
Wel.....s+&#
worst of it is that somewhere in the back of Hive's mind
stalker Ward is like "I knew you loved me"
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I really enjoyed this episode….
Although, in truth, I was half-wondering if the “traitor” was going to end up being revealed as one of the human agents, and that Hive can control them as well.
So, Daisy is bringing Hive the Kree sphere and the Terrigen Crystals. I’m guessing the sphere is some kind of amplifier, and his plan is to disperse the Terrigen Mist across the planet in one big shot – a sort of mass kill-humans/convert-more-inhumans move.
I’m also wondering if Lash will prove immune to Hive’s control, and be shown as the ultimate weapon against him.
I hope
I am worried who they are going to kill and the only character I wouldn't mind is May.
There's a bunch of characters I'd rather they kill before May. Lincoln tops the list.
Lincoln is kinda written off the show dude.
He is? How so?
He's benched until they deal with Hive, just like the other Inhuman Shield members, but unless I'm missing something behind the scenes he's basically just out of commission until the end of the season. Or until such time as they realize they might desperately need firepower since Daisy is CLEARLY the one that was affected.
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Lincoln is kinda written off the show dude.He is? How so?
He's benched until they deal with Hive, just like the other Inhuman Shield members, but unless I'm missing something behind the scenes he's basically just out of commission until the end of the season. Or until such time as they realize they might desperately need firepower since Daisy is CLEARLY the one that was affected.
Or until the first time they get into trouble and he needs to save them, or until he continues to be a loose cannon and decides to save Daisy on his own, etc.
I am talking about of the original cast. I could care less about Lincoln, yo-yo, or metal melter.
I really doubt they would kill Daisy especially after taking all of last season focusing on her and she is an actual marvel character. Though I hope Daisy doesn't kill any of her allies under Hive's control.
I really hope it's daisy. I didn't like her much in the first season, and she's gotten SOOOOOO much worse. She's become the most Mary Sueish character I can remember seeing.
She started as a super hacker... now she's great with a gun, Barks orders like shes' the SHIELD Director, Able to take May in a fight... What CAN'T she do.
For someone with so little training... it really annoys me. You can't go from Team Rookie to Team Hotshot over night... and that's what's she's done.
I am HUGE fans of Coulson, Fitz, Simmons, and even May.... so if they are aiming for an 'original' cast... I hope it's her.
I could easily see that this infection HAS no cure. Although they are giving FitzSimmons some moments of happiness... and that's usually a red flag in itself...
But.... C'MON... We've already seen BOTH of them mourn the other... lets not go THERE again.
I could easily see that this infection HAS no cure.
Destroying Hive would "defacto" cure it.
I could easily see that this infection HAS no cure.Destroying Hive would "defacto" cure it.
I hope there's no easy way to 'destroy' Hive... otherwise 'banished to antoher galaxy forever seems a bit overkill. If Terigen creates what is needed... why didnt' it create a lash centuries ago?
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I actually liked Fitz this last episode (it's like he's developed into a multifaceted person over the years, instead of the checklist of cutesy annoying tics and mannerisms that he and Simmons started out as), and didn't hate Lincoln as much as I normally do, although that might be Stockholm Syndrome or something...
Indeed, I kind of want Lincoln to tell Coulson and the rest to shut the heck up after this latest foul-up, since it seems to be all they do is jump to the exact wrong assumptions.
Mack continues attempting to be the only sane man in the room. :)