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Malachi Silverclaw wrote:
Patrick Stewart's Jean-Luc Picard is, of course, spot on, despite him being a Yorkshireman by birth, being born in Mirfield, where I used to live 30 years ago. : )

It was, however, a rather crappy French accent.

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He tried to speak with a french accent while filming the pilot. It was so bad that they dropped it and reshot all the scenes. It's simply considered that everyone speaks at least english and their native language.

Plus its Patrick Stewart. He can do whatever he damn well pleases.

Silver Crusade

Kthulhu wrote:
Malachi Silverclaw wrote:
Patrick Stewart's Jean-Luc Picard is, of course, spot on, despite him being a Yorkshireman by birth, being born in Mirfield, where I used to live 30 years ago. : )
It was, however, a rather crappy French accent.

In his defence, there's not a lot of call for frog's legs or snails here in Yorkshire. Just black pudding and tripe. : )


Back to the show...

I was prepared to give it a chance and watched the last episode with the "gravitonium".

Oh. My. God.

This is 1960s comics level magical physics stuff. This is "gamma rays don't kill you, they turn you into a raging beast" stuff.

This is science ripped and mauled so viciously that it might as well be Harry Potter.

Was very, very hard to watch with the sound on.

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What pissed me off beyond measure was that gravitonium was supposedly very very high up the periodic table, as in above everything else. And that last stuff has hardly has time to exist. Damn my scientific mind. But i guess it was ok for less educated folk.


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Hama wrote:
What pissed me off beyond measure was that gravitonium was supposedly very very high up the periodic table, as in above everything else. And that last stuff has hardly has time to exist. Damn my scientific mind. But i guess it was ok for less educated folk.

There are theories that there are islands of stability above the known elements.

Good enough for comic book physics.


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Adamantine Dragon wrote:

Back to the show...

I was prepared to give it a chance and watched the last episode with the "gravitonium".

Oh. My. God.

This is 1960s comics level magical physics stuff. This is "gamma rays don't kill you, they turn you into a raging beast" stuff.

This is science ripped and mauled so viciously that it might as well be Harry Potter.

Was very, very hard to watch with the sound on.

This is a comic book show. It's set in a universe with the Hulk in it. You're surprised at "gamma rays don't kill you, they turn you into a raging beast"?


thejeff wrote:
This is a comic book show. It's set in a universe with the Hulk in it. You're surprised at "gamma rays don't kill you, they turn you into a raging beast"?

Not surprised. Just seriously, seriously disappointed. Yeah, it's got Hulk in it, but Hulk was created in the 60s and now they have to either live with his origin story, or retcon it (as they did with Spiderman, changing the "radioactive" spider to a "genetically engineered" spider).

But to use that same level of staggering ignorance of actual physics, chemistry and common sense in 2013?

Yeah, seriously, seriously disappointed. And disgusted. All the more so since there are sooo many ways they could have created the same plot device in far more plausible ways. It's either a case of complete lack of scientific advisers, or complete unwillingness to listen to the ones they paid. And that's just lazy.


thejeff wrote:
Hama wrote:
What pissed me off beyond measure was that gravitonium was supposedly very very high up the periodic table, as in above everything else. And that last stuff has hardly has time to exist. Damn my scientific mind. But i guess it was ok for less educated folk.

There are theories that there are islands of stability above the known elements.

Good enough for comic book physics.

I WISH my reaction to the show's discussion and use of "gravitonium" was restricted to its likely half-life. Frankly that's not even on my list of absurdities and downright inanity.


Flashback: the S.H.I.EL.D. Helicarrier used to fly with huge helicopter blades...


QXL99 wrote:
Flashback: the S.H.I.EL.D. Helicarrier used to fly with huge helicopter blades...

There are a lot of ways to make this far, far, far more plausible than the "gravitonium" nonsense.


I was pleasantly surprised, given that ABC's last foray into the super-hero genre was such a wet, steaming turd. The acting hasn't been spectacular, but it's been my experience that unless the entire cast are experienced veterans, the acting in the first few episodes of a new show rarely is. It wasn't dreadful, and actors often need a little time to "get into" their roles, rather like breaking in a new pair of shoes.

Of course the science is dreadful, it's a comic book show. I sincerely hope you aren't watching TV to see real science...no matter HOW educated you are, that would make you look rather silly. (Actually, I tend to laugh at anyone who complains that a TV show or a movie doesn't reflect "real life". If you want "real life", turn off the electronic device and go live real life.)


AD, Gentle has a point... why watch a show you really don't like? I can understand watching it to figure out if you will like it or not. I can even understand commenting negatively if you don't like it... But why continue to watch it if it's that bad?


Well if it is something that falls into a genre that one's peer group is interested in, then watching just to stay informed may be one reason, even if you are not particularly interested in it.

Shadow Lodge

Adamantine Dragon wrote:
thejeff wrote:
This is a comic book show. It's set in a universe with the Hulk in it. You're surprised at "gamma rays don't kill you, they turn you into a raging beast"?
Not surprised. Just seriously, seriously disappointed. Yeah, it's got Hulk in it, but Hulk was created in the 60s

And Graviton was created in the 70s.

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Aranna wrote:

AD, Gentle has a point... why watch a show you really don't like? I can understand watching it to figure out if you will like it or not. I can even understand commenting negatively if you don't like it... But why continue to watch it if it's that bad?

Because i hope that it will get better? Because i think that they can do much much better then right now? Because I'm an optimist?

Also Chloe Bennet.


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Adamantine Dragon wrote:
thejeff wrote:
This is a comic book show. It's set in a universe with the Hulk in it. You're surprised at "gamma rays don't kill you, they turn you into a raging beast"?

Not surprised. Just seriously, seriously disappointed. Yeah, it's got Hulk in it, but Hulk was created in the 60s and now they have to either live with his origin story, or retcon it (as they did with Spiderman, changing the "radioactive" spider to a "genetically engineered" spider).

But to use that same level of staggering ignorance of actual physics, chemistry and common sense in 2013?

Yeah, seriously, seriously disappointed. And disgusted. All the more so since there are sooo many ways they could have created the same plot device in far more plausible ways. It's either a case of complete lack of scientific advisers, or complete unwillingness to listen to the ones they paid. And that's just lazy.

Yes there are so many ways to Actually create a super villain with the ability to manipulate gravity. Why didn't they use one of those real ways!!!!! You know instead of a fake unrealistic way!

Silver Crusade

It's nice to see two Chinese actresses (out of six) with lead roles. It means that 'tokenism' is dying out.

I hope.


Mike Franke wrote:

Yes there are so many ways to Actually create a super villain with the ability to manipulate gravity. Why didn't they use one of those real ways!!!!! You know instead of a fake unrealistic way!

So, it is your assertion that anything that is beyond the explanation of physics is equivalent to anything else that is beyond the explanation of physics?

In other words, because we can't explain dark matter, we must accept the concept that galaxies are heavier than they should be because of leprechauns?

Because that's logically what you are saying.


People don't read very carefully do they?

I said there are aspects of the show I don't like. I also said the show is much better with the sound off.

But the reality is that my wife and daughter watch the show, and they want me to watch it with them. So I do.

So far anyway. The visual aspects of the show that don't require dialogue are so far enough to make it less than a complete waste of my time. And I can browse the internet while watching on my iPad mini.


When you stop and think of it, the movie universe also has a guy who gains mass from nothing, then also loses it somehow when he regains control of his rage.

It also has an disk that absorbs any impact without consequence to the guy holding it, yet can bounce when thrown whenever the script desires.

Aaaand it has some kind of perpetual energy source. More than one, in fact.

Gravitonium is a minor quibble compared to these.

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Yeah, but those stuff are never described in depth, they are handwaved. Gravitonium is specifically stated to be a naturally occurring metal higher then 120 on the periodic table of elements. Which is a load of b!~!&%&s. Elements higher then 105 could only be acquired in a lab. Under extreme conditions, and in such small quantities that naked eye couldn't see them.


Malachi Silverclaw wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Malachi Silverclaw wrote:
Patrick Stewart's Jean-Luc Picard is, of course, spot on, despite him being a Yorkshireman by birth, being born in Mirfield, where I used to live 30 years ago. : )
It was, however, a rather crappy French accent.
In his defence, there's not a lot of call for frog's legs or snails here in Yorkshire. Just black pudding and tripe. : )

Great, another Yorkshireman on the boards.

Although I do like the idea of a "British accent", when it's in-fact even less homogeneous than even an American accent.

Overall, I haven't been too disappointed with AoS. I'd much prefer comic-book physics than Star Trek physics.


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In depth or not, they all require violating fundamental laws of the universe. The amount of explanation (To me, anyways) doesn't change that. But since this is comic books, I just suspend disbelief for all of them. It's only when the show violates it's own rules that I start to notice.

Silver Crusade

DSXMachina wrote:
Malachi Silverclaw wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Malachi Silverclaw wrote:
Patrick Stewart's Jean-Luc Picard is, of course, spot on, despite him being a Yorkshireman by birth, being born in Mirfield, where I used to live 30 years ago. : )
It was, however, a rather crappy French accent.
In his defence, there's not a lot of call for frog's legs or snails here in Yorkshire. Just black pudding and tripe. : )

Great, another Yorkshireman on the boards.

Although I do like the idea of a "British accent", when it's in-fact even less homogeneous than even an American accent.

Overall, I haven't been too disappointed with AoS. I'd much prefer comic-book physics than Star Trek physics.

Well, what Americans choose to think of as the English accent is, at least, an English accent; the one that we would call 'posh'. I wonder how they'd take 'Brummie'? : )

Actually, when I visited some of my family in the States my father advised me to sound as posh as possible; partly for ease of understanding but mainly because they love it!

Still thought I was Australian sometimes. : /


Hama wrote:
Yeah, but those stuff are never described in depth, they are handwaved. Gravitonium is specifically stated to be a naturally occurring metal higher then 120 on the periodic table of elements. Which is a load of b&@#&+!s. Elements higher then 105 could only be acquired in a lab. Under extreme conditions, and in such small quantities that naked eye couldn't see them.

Yeah, this is a big part of my eye-rolling, snickering response to the show. If they had just hand-waved it and said it was some mysterious substance that they couldn't even explain, but it had this strange effect on gravity, I'd have pretty much considered it to be typical "science = magic" Hollywood bullcrap.

Instead they tried to EXPLAIN it and in doing so they demonstrated such rampant stupidity and disregard for every possible level of science that it can only be described as mind-boggling.

Sure, handwave it, keep the camera on the fancy effects, explosions, choreographed hand-to-hand combat and (especially) the wet red dress... I'd be fine with it.


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I think you guys are taking this realism a bit too far... it IS a comic book show. Comic books have physical laws that are much more like physical suggestions. Whether they try Star Trek style to explain it away with pseudo science or not it is missing the point to think there is any attempt here for realism.


Malachi Silverclaw wrote:
DSXMachina wrote:
Malachi Silverclaw wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Malachi Silverclaw wrote:
Patrick Stewart's Jean-Luc Picard is, of course, spot on, despite him being a Yorkshireman by birth, being born in Mirfield, where I used to live 30 years ago. : )
It was, however, a rather crappy French accent.
In his defence, there's not a lot of call for frog's legs or snails here in Yorkshire. Just black pudding and tripe. : )

Great, another Yorkshireman on the boards.

Although I do like the idea of a "British accent", when it's in-fact even less homogeneous than even an American accent.

Overall, I haven't been too disappointed with AoS. I'd much prefer comic-book physics than Star Trek physics.

Well, what Americans choose to think of as the English accent is, at least, an English accent; the one that we would call 'posh'. I wonder how they'd take 'Brummie'? : )

Actually, when I visited some of my family in the States my father advised me to sound as posh as possible; partly for ease of understanding but mainly because they love it!

Still thought I was Australian sometimes. : /

As long as you can say "Trouble t' mill", play cricket and hit people with a black pudding, then I should be able to tell the difference between you and the guy with the pastie.


Aranna wrote:

I think you guys are taking this realism a bit too far... it IS a comic book show. Comic books have physical laws that are much more like physical suggestions. Whether they try Star Trek style to explain it away with pseudo science or not it is missing the point to think there is any attempt here for realism.

See, and here I go again completely misunderstanding the point of asking people their "opinions" about something.

I keep thinking that somehow implies that it is OK to state my OPINION. But then I realize that my OPINION is only valid so long as it fits within somebody else's range of acceptable options. In the future it might help if the OP would list the range of acceptable responses that can be stated so that people like me can read the post and say "Oh, my opinion doesn't count."


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As the OPer I would say your comments are more than welcome.

People that keep telling complainers not to discuss it and to stop watching need to stop policing others and worry about their own business.


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Adamantine Dragon wrote:
Aranna wrote:

I think you guys are taking this realism a bit too far... it IS a comic book show. Comic books have physical laws that are much more like physical suggestions. Whether they try Star Trek style to explain it away with pseudo science or not it is missing the point to think there is any attempt here for realism.

See, and here I go again completely misunderstanding the point of asking people their "opinions" about something.

I keep thinking that somehow implies that it is OK to state my OPINION. But then I realize that my OPINION is only valid so long as it fits within somebody else's range of acceptable options. In the future it might help if the OP would list the range of acceptable responses that can be stated so that people like me can read the post and say "Oh, my opinion doesn't count."

You aren't just giving your opinion you are giving your opinion and then figuratively shouting at anyone who disagrees with you. Your posts are filled with "because I am smart I think this show is stupid and anyone who disagrees is also stupid". You then follow with statements filled with "logically blah blah blah dark matter blah blah expanding universe blah blah..."

We get it! You know a little science. That doesn't change the fact that this is a show based on a comic book. Comic books are filled with pseudoscience, some of it kind of reasonable some of it unreasonable...and some of us don't mind. You can go ahead and keep minding. I won't.


Really if we are going to be complaining about outrages ... How is it that the hacker's hair was soaked but her dress was not nearly wet enough for just having jumped in a pool. It is an outrage! There is no way scientifically that her dress could have dried in such a short time...unless perhaps it too was made of a heretofore unknown element.


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...likely called suitableforallaudiencesonium ...


Mike Franke wrote:
Really if we are going to be complaining about outrages ... How is it that the hacker's hair was soaked but her dress was not nearly wet enough for just having jumped in a pool. It is an outrage! There is no way scientifically that her dress could have dried in such a short time...unless perhaps it too was made of a heretofore unknown element.

Unstable molecules...


QXL99 wrote:
Mike Franke wrote:
Really if we are going to be complaining about outrages ... How is it that the hacker's hair was soaked but her dress was not nearly wet enough for just having jumped in a pool. It is an outrage! There is no way scientifically that her dress could have dried in such a short time...unless perhaps it too was made of a heretofore unknown element.
Unstable molecules...

Awesome!

Silver Crusade

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Talking about bad science in comics, I have a vague memory of an Avengers cover from over 30 years ago. The villain of the week was screaming that his power over Cold was so complete that he could reduce the temperature to a MILLION degrees below zero!


Adamantine Dragon wrote:
Aranna wrote:

I think you guys are taking this realism a bit too far... it IS a comic book show. Comic books have physical laws that are much more like physical suggestions. Whether they try Star Trek style to explain it away with pseudo science or not it is missing the point to think there is any attempt here for realism.

See, and here I go again completely misunderstanding the point of asking people their "opinions" about something.

I keep thinking that somehow implies that it is OK to state my OPINION. But then I realize that my OPINION is only valid so long as it fits within somebody else's range of acceptable options. In the future it might help if the OP would list the range of acceptable responses that can be stated so that people like me can read the post and say "Oh, my opinion doesn't count."

Since when is "taking realism a bit too far" equal to "Your opinion doesn't count?" You are WAY over reacting here. It is just a show. A Good show that I and apparently your family also like. Which is a perfectly reasonable reason to watch. Thank you for satisfying my curiosity over why you watched a show you weren't happy with.


lack of scientific accuracy kind of comes with the territory for Comic book movies, unless the point of the comic is "kind of possible in real life"

So not bothered by that.

My bigger problems right now are that the two leads just are not quite gelling right now, and the show really is at time....boring. I can't really say the same thing about say, Orphan Black or Continuum, both of which are new sci-fi shows that I have recently started watching and snagged me from the beginning

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I just watched Orphan Black. Great show. They need to pay that girl more...she is, after all, more than half of the cast.

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