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QXL99 wrote:
I am 100% sincere. Of course Arrow is even better, but it's not a new show this year.

Arrow is indeed awesome.

It's been said that Marvel makes great movies and DC makes great animated series (with a few exceptions in either direction). The battle over who is going to dominate the TV screen has yet to be decided...

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Man, I can't even watch Arrow without getting bored of the constant angst.

When I was a kid I used to imagine a world with superpowers being fun and adventurous. I think Shield is delivering fun and adventure.

Arrow mostly delivers soap opera with a veneer of super heroics.


Agents of Shield blows Arrow out of the water in every possible way.

The number of craptastic CW-moments sullying Arrow drags it down like an anchor. They don't even compare.

(I was going to chuckle about some of the complaints in this thread, with a pointed: "What, you like CW-moment-filled Arrow and Supernatural instead?" And then people did so, and seemed to be serious. I laughed. Or maybe this thread is filled with teenage girls, and I wasn't aware. Sorry if that's the case.)


Neither a teenager nor a girl--couldn't make it through more than 20 minutes of the "Vampire Dairies" pilot episode and left "Supernatural" several years ago...


Ratings went down 30% from week 1 . People tuned into week 1 and didnt tune into week 2 (less 11.9 million). Similiar ratings trend compares to shows like dollhouse, the cape, and V.

Of note it compare unfavorably to heroes (same producer as shield)

It got these numbers from MTV comic blog news

I told a lot of my friends to tune into this show before i saw episode 1 as i expected heroes action/quality. I agree that i cant see the appeal for arrow but Sleepy hollow has pleasantly suprised me

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I gues I was confused about the backstory of the dangerous weapon gun thing. German? Over 1500 years old?

With tremendous assets available, why did S.H.I.E.L.D. send a small team of rookie agents with only two or three who could even handle a gun, into a military hot spot?

Why did S.H.I.E.L.D. leave the Peruvian miliary on-board? Why did they not drop them off right away? What was Coulson planning on doing with them once they reached Slingshot? Tell them to drive back home in their jeep?

Why did the good guys take away all the bad guys' weapons, but still leave them a device with the sole purpose of drilling a hole in a cockpit door and flooding the cockpit with deadly nerve gas? (Oops sorry; happily the Peruvians were concerned not to kill anybody and used knock-out gas.) Speaking of which, why did Peruvian soldiers carry such a device into the field?


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DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:

Oh you big wet blankets.

It's an adventure comedy, with banter and fun and superpowers and if I was a 10 year old kid right now this would be my favorite show ever forever and you fogies with your cynicism turned up so high can just bleh.

If you guys don't realize that this is actually a Star Trek series then I can't help you.

Well, that explains it then. I found the original Star Trek to be rare moments of brilliance embedded in a general stream of mediocrity and silliness. And that was head and shoulders above any of the sequel series which I found to be overwhelmingly preachy and self-absorbed, with plots driven almost entirely by a transparent attempt to address some current social controversy and "resolve it" in laughably predictable ways.

I did not judge this show based on comic book expectations. I judged it on its own merits, which I found appallingly lacking.

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I've enjoyed all 2 of the episodes so far. I prefer my adventures to be fun and light-hearted. Sulky, moody, brooding, anti-heroes spoil the fun. The show, actors, and writers are still trying to settle in to their characters and the get the pacing and storylines right. most shows take at least a half season before the start to gel, IMO. Sometimes you get a winner right out of the gate, but most shows (especially dramas) take some time to settle in.

As far as including more in-universe Marvel mythology goes... it's best used sparingly.

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Strangely enough, being called a teenaged girl for not loving Agents of SHIELD unequivocably isn't motivating me to like it any more. :)

Still, I won't let abusive Whedon-loving fanboys drive me away either. I'll continue hoping that it finds it's footing and gets good.


I saw the first episode and "liked" it but it did not blow me away. The second episode was not as good as the first in my opinion but still OK. I see what they are trying to do...build team chemistry, etc. this was the disparate members learn to work together and trust each other episode. Still a fight on a plane over some left over hydra tech was not incredibly inspired. If I was them I would have tried to have a few more "bang" episodes with super powered individuals before settling into the mundane world cop stuff.

What shield comics were often about is how do non-supers or very weak suppers deal with a world full of super villains. You thus got a lot of tech intermixed with a few low level powered folks like telepaths. We need to see more LMD's, mandroid armor, nanotech, agents with minor powers, etc. in my opinion.


There was a show on sci-fi about people with very minor powers. Can't think of the name but a little of that in agents of shield would go a long way.

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Mike Franke wrote:
There was a show on sci-fi about people with very minor powers. Can't think of the name but a little of that in agents of shield would go a long way.

Alphas? That was a decent one.


Set wrote:
Strangely enough, being called a teenaged girl for not loving Agents of SHIELD

Quick correction: That would actually be applied for those loving Supernatural and/or Arrow (over Agents of SHIELD), if there are any.

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unequivocably isn't motivating me to like it any more. :)

Good heavens, who cares about doing that?


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Set wrote:
Mike Franke wrote:
There was a show on sci-fi about people with very minor powers. Can't think of the name but a little of that in agents of shield would go a long way.

Alphas? That was a decent one.

more than decent, it was amazing.


Set wrote:
Mike Franke wrote:
There was a show on sci-fi about people with very minor powers. Can't think of the name but a little of that in agents of shield would go a long way.

Alphas? That was a decent one.

I did watch Alphas and was disappointed when it was canceled. It was at least watchable due to some excellent acting, some decent writing and at least some thought that went into the plot. My only real problem with the show was that the head of the alpha program was the least consistently written character in the show.


Set wrote:


Still, I won't let abusive Whedon-loving fanboys drive me away either...

hey man, if those whedon fans turn you off from the show, its cool man. Plenty of other things to do on a tuesday night! :)

Shadow Lodge

Never watched Alphas. The show I first thought of was The 4200, from several years ago.


Gave up on Alphas halfway thru the first season. Too many of the characters didn't appeal to me...


Arnwyn wrote:
Set wrote:
Strangely enough, being called a teenaged girl for not loving Agents of SHIELD

Quick correction: That would actually be applied for those loving Supernatural and/or Arrow (over Agents of SHIELD), if there are any.

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unequivocably isn't motivating me to like it any more. :)
Good heavens, who cares about doing that?

Not a teenaged girl...but still would say the first 5 seasons of Supernatural are awesome. Some of the later ones...eh not so much.

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Yeah, I liked the early seasons of Supernatural too.

I'm not accusing anyone of being a teenage girl. I just think that there's a place for a fun, light-hearted show where someone like Coulson can say:

"Everyone matters."

That's pretty heroic.

Unlike Arrow who murders criminals with Arrows.


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OK, my wife and daughter made me sit down and watch both episodes, and I admit that it is better than I first thought. I am starting to see some of the appeal of the show.

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Some folks may dog Shield because its too light-hearted but that is not my complaint. The fact that it basically boils down to "forensic science misfits team show #121212334443211." If I had young children this is a show I would watch with them. I think it works fine for the family but I see a very limited appeal here and that usually spells death for a show.

Being that I have 30 years of television watching experience this show so far has nothing to offer me. I was hoping they would take advantage of such a huge IP and nerd god at the helm. Instead it looks like they are playing it safe by trotting out every cliche in the TV writing book. A shame but cant blame them for going that route this thing will pretty much make money no matter how bad it is.

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Kthulhu wrote:
Never watched Alphas. The show I first thought of was The 4200, from several years ago.

Ah, The 4400, that was like, Heroes, but with competent writing and storyline finales that weren't colossal disappointments and writers who allowed their characters to use their powers, rather than spend entire seasons coming up with excuse after excuse for why Hiro and / or Peter's powers don't work / got changed / can't be used to resolve boring easily-solved situation X.

No, I'm not bitter. :)

For 'people with powers,' I think Tower Prep was better written than Heroes.

Maybe even Mutant X, although that might be pushing it...


First genre show renewed for another season: Sleepy Hollow (and after just two eps aired, no less)!

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QXL99 wrote:
First genre show renewed for another season: Sleepy Hollow (and after just two eps aired, no less)!

Unfrozen fairy tale lawyer ought to have its own thread aye?


Concerning Arrow vs AoS...
I love Arrow and I'm still trying to build a relationship with AoS. At the end of the day I'll probably love both shows equally but for different reasons. Arrow really grew as a series and had one of the best season finales. Season 2 looks like it will be embracing its comic book roots way more, which I'm super exited for.


I have found the first 2 episodes to be highly reminicent of Wharehouse 13 and Eureka. I enjoyed both of those shows, but didn't feel the need to go out of my way for them. I think the cast needs some work. It feels like they are relying more on cliches for people to immediately know their characters than actually making unique ones. A lot of that has to do with how they brought the team together. It hasn't given them a chance to actually build any relationships between characters. Fitz-Simmons are the only ones who have any pre-existing relationship. If you look at Whedon's other shows, Firefly starts with half the crew established with eachother and Buffy quickly introduces a supporting cast that are best friends.


Anyone else feel May is a little too DMPCish?


MMCJawa wrote:
Arnwyn wrote:
Set wrote:
Strangely enough, being called a teenaged girl for not loving Agents of SHIELD

Quick correction: That would actually be applied for those loving Supernatural and/or Arrow (over Agents of SHIELD), if there are any.

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unequivocably isn't motivating me to like it any more. :)
Good heavens, who cares about doing that?
Not a teenaged girl...but still would say the first 5 seasons of Supernatural are awesome. Some of the later ones...eh not so much.

Okay, I'm with you there.


You're all teenage girls! (Well, except for those of you that claim to be teenage girls. Those people are middle-aged men, because everyone knows there are no females on the Internet.)

I'm still not sure what to make of May, except that she's a far cry from the senator in Eureka.

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Anyone else feel May is a little too DMPCish?

At first, it was 'too much tell, not enough show,' and now she's getting into some action worthy of the constant talking-up she gets (the fight in the cockpit was decent, for instance).

I think I would have liked it better if nobody knew who she was, except Coulson, so Agent Squarejaw (can't be bothered to learn his name) wouldn't be all googly-eyed and awestruck. It spreading to Fitz-Simmons with this 'Cavalry' codename didn't help matters. I'd rather than *I* had a reason to be all super-impressed by her, than hear about how she makes all the NPCs moist and trembly. It might have been more interesting to learn *by seeing it* that she's not 'just the pilot,' and have the others be totally shocked when she does something kickass (or have her even kick ass out of view of the others, and offer up some lame excuse like 'they shot each other' or 'he hit his head' to explain why the goons that attacked her are all lying around unconscious).

For a 'secret' operative, that might be cooler than her having people wandering around explaining how awesome she is to all and sundry.

I think I also would have preferred if she was someone established in Marvel continuity, as well, if she's going to be so legendary and famous (among intelligence operative circles, at least, but so much so that even Peruvian military ops know enough to carry special gear to take her out if they run into her...). There are a ton of kickass secondary characters, like Misty Knight, that might look fantastic in that sort of role.

I do get that there's a risk in filling the show with geek name-drops, or using established Marvel universe characters in a way that might not feel organic to them just to shoehorn them into the show as an Easter egg, but I think I'd rather see more, than less, of that. We don't have to see Galactus in the third episode or anything (or, ideally, ever, in a show like this), but there are thousands of plot opportunities floating around the Marvel universe, and not just the stuff that's already been seen in the movies.

Not *everything* has to be a reference to something we've seen in an Iron Man, Captain America, Hulk or Thor movie.

I get that they probably can't mention adamantium or mutants or cosmic rays or irradiated spiders, but it's not like they gave away the rights to everything else!


Why couldn't they mention anything from marvel comics? It IS a marvel television production.

Not that I want name drops in every episode...


Aranna wrote:

Why couldn't they mention anything from marvel comics? It IS a marvel television production.

Not that I want name drops in every episode...

The video rights for X-men, Spider man, and some other IP has been sold to other companies before Disney bought them out. They have to wait for those rights to expire before they can use it.

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Aranna wrote:

Why couldn't they mention anything from marvel comics? It IS a marvel television production.

Not that I want name drops in every episode...

The Fantastic Four, X-Men and Spider-Man movie rights are owned by Fox and / or Columbia (and formerly Universal and Artisan were in the mix), so Marvel can't use stuff they've already used.

That's one reason why Captain America's shield is no longer made of an adamantium / vibranium alloy, and, since Marvel doesn't expect to get the rights to adamantium back any time soon (since Fox isn't giving the X-Men back as long as Hugh Jackman is capable of making them so much money), they've even retconned the comic book Captain America's shield to be an alloy of vibranium and *steel.*

That still leaves them a ton of other stuff, such as most of the Avengers (although, for instance, while they can use the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, they can't say 'mutant' or mention their relationship to Magneto), SHIELD, the Defenders (hah, as if), the Inhumans (who are being repositioned even now as the 'new mutants' for the Marvel universe, with the Inhumanity storyline), etc.

I'd have to look it up, but they might not have the rights to Daredevil or the Ghost Rider, either. (Although I suspect they don't care as much as with the X-Men, the FF and Spidey!) Edit: They got Daredevil back, and the Punisher, but not Ghost Rider, yet.

Back when the Wolverine: Origin comic came out, finally clearing up the decades-long mystery of his past, Dan Didio said that they felt they had to write it now, 'before the movies beat us to it.' That was an eye-opener of an admission, that they had to move fast, before Wolverine was established by a third party to modern audiences as something different than they had intended!

That all being said, TV broadcast rights and uses are different than movie rights, and there have been animated cartoons that have used both the X-Men and Captain America or Nick Fury in the same show, for instance.

It's *possible* that Agents of SHIELD could have mutants or adamantium or a certain web-slinger or Four Freedoms Plaza in it and not get their butts sued off, but it's not *assured,* and, they'd still be unable to mention any of this stuff in a Marvel movie, making the Agents of SHIELD series set in a subtly-different world than the Marvel movies are set, which would quite possibly be seen as confusing and brand-muddling and whatever (as well as possibly inviting lawsuits...).

The next Avengers movie, which is apparently going to not include adamantium ('cause they can't say that word) or Hank Pym ('cause they never got around to name-dropping him to set that up), promises to be an exercise in avoiding inconvenient comic-book details. :)


I really really WANT this show to be good...but so far I have been dissapointed. Its almost like they went to the welfare office for actors and writers and found the ones willing work for the least and figured the marvel name would carry their bad acting and dialog. It is really sad.

That being said I am enough of a marvel fanboy that I will most likely continue to watch every week and hope and pray that it gets better. At least I get to see extended trailers for the new Thor movie lol.

Also Alphas > AOS (so far) IMHO

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Set wrote:
That's one reason why Captain America's shield is no longer made of an adamantium / vibranium alloy, and, since Marvel doesn't expect to get the rights to adamantium back any time soon (since Fox isn't giving the X-Men back as long as Hugh Jackman is capable of making them so much money), they've even retconned the comic book Captain America's shield to be an alloy of vibranium and *steel.*

Not a retcon. Cap's shield has always been an alloy of vibranium and iron. True adamantium was first created as an attempt to replicate the alloy in Cap's shield.


reminds me of the old hulk tv show in which we didnt see any major marvel tie ins until the tv specials years later. Problem is here that Bill Bixby was a very good actor for that role plus you had the hulk effect. Theres so much avenger lore they could use along with general stuff that anyone could use (vampires monsters etc) that i cant figure out what they are doing. A customed Villian/monster/ with a diabolical plan would go a long way towards helping this show

Current shows that are superior in every way that have some similiar qualities to shield as of right now (comic book, hero, monster, government organization)

1. Walking Dead
2. Game of Thrones
3. Homeland-acting,plot, special effects (24 was a blueprint so it can be done )
4. Dr who-Lightharded, action. special effects, better stories
4. Sleepyhollow-much better in only 3 episodes
5 American Horror
6. Trueblood
7. Orphan Black
8. Sherlock BBC

I understand most are cable but BBC is pretty strict on language/etc so i feel its fair to compare.

If they dont find a way to get the mass audience to bite then its toast by next year (I think whedon name alone gives it 1 complete season)
! I checked the IMDB boards and people seem to be in agreement that this series needs a lot of help! Hopefull we get a whedon interview soon

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Kthulhu wrote:
Set wrote:
That's one reason why Captain America's shield is no longer made of an adamantium / vibranium alloy, and, since Marvel doesn't expect to get the rights to adamantium back any time soon (since Fox isn't giving the X-Men back as long as Hugh Jackman is capable of making them so much money), they've even retconned the comic book Captain America's shield to be an alloy of vibranium and *steel.*
Not a retcon. Cap's shield has always been an alloy of vibranium and iron. True adamantium was first created as an attempt to replicate the alloy in Cap's shield.

According to both my 1984 and 1986 Handbooks to the Marvel Universe (both the Captain America entry and the separate entry in a later book of 'weapons' for his shield), and probably hundreds of other Avengers and Captain America comics I own, it was a 'unique adamantium-vibranium alloy.'

The whole retcon of the adamantium into iron or steel or whatever is, by the standards of old fogeys like myself, pretty darn recent.


wicked cool wrote:

reminds me of the old hulk tv show in which we didnt see any major marvel tie ins until the tv specials years later. Problem is here that Bill Bixby was a very good actor for that role plus you had the hulk effect. Theres so much avenger lore they could use along with general stuff that anyone could use (vampires monsters etc) that i cant figure out what they are doing. A customed Villian/monster/ with a diabolical plan would go a long way towards helping this show

Current shows that are superior in every way that have some similiar qualities to shield as of right now (comic book, hero, monster, government organization)

1. Walking Dead
2. Game of Thrones
3. Homeland-acting,plot, special effects (24 was a blueprint so it can be done )
4. Dr who-Lightharded, action. special effects, better stories
4. Sleepyhollow-much better in only 3 episodes
5 American Horror
6. Trueblood
7. Orphan Black
8. Sherlock BBC

I understand most are cable but BBC is pretty strict on language/etc so i feel its fair to compare.

If they dont find a way to get the mass audience to bite then its toast by next year (I think whedon name alone gives it 1 complete season)
! I checked the IMDB boards and people seem to be in agreement that this series needs a lot of help! Hopefull we get a whedon interview soon

I'm not sure how you consider 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, or 7 even remotely similar to Shield. Dr. Who and Sherlock I will say are better and have a similar feel, and I haven't seen any Sleepyhollow.


They are fantasy Scifi shows. Shield is an international organization in a world that has fantasy creatures/Sci fi tech.

Many of the above shows take place in a fantasy world or involve high tech or involve some sort of heroic non human element

sherlock/Homeland involve crime solving/mystery/international espionage and should have a lot in common with Shield. Acting/tension that makes you want to come back

By the first episode there are "i cant believe that just happened", Cool concept, likeable/hateable characters, a plot arch, etc. There is no what are the doing on the island/polar bear Lost moment yet for this show.

I'm tuning in next week for hope only


Set wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Set wrote:
That's one reason why Captain America's shield is no longer made of an adamantium / vibranium alloy, and, since Marvel doesn't expect to get the rights to adamantium back any time soon (since Fox isn't giving the X-Men back as long as Hugh Jackman is capable of making them so much money), they've even retconned the comic book Captain America's shield to be an alloy of vibranium and *steel.*
Not a retcon. Cap's shield has always been an alloy of vibranium and iron. True adamantium was first created as an attempt to replicate the alloy in Cap's shield.

According to both my 1984 and 1986 Handbooks to the Marvel Universe (both the Captain America entry and the separate entry in a later book of 'weapons' for his shield), and probably hundreds of other Avengers and Captain America comics I own, it was a 'unique adamantium-vibranium alloy.'

The whole retcon of the adamantium into iron or steel or whatever is, by the standards of old fogeys like myself, pretty darn recent.

Not to try to outgeek anyone, but adamantium was introduced as a new discovery in Avengers #66, long after Cap's shield was made. I think the idea that it was in an attempt to recreate the shield came along well after that.

Cap's shield has often been referred to as an adamantium/vibranium alloy as well as a vibranium/steel one without a lot of consistency over the years.

Of course, other bits of much later continuity push adamantium back much further, with varying explanations. None of them really affect the shield, as far as I know and they're all much after the fact.

If you wanted to reconcile the references to the shield, the best way would probably be to posit that MacLain simultaneously both created adamantium and alloyed it with vibranium and that one of the components was steel. Thus the metal could be referred to loosely as with Vibranium/steel or vibranium/adamantium. This kind of makes sense, since he was trying to replicate the shield when he created adamantium, so he might well have been working with most of the same components.

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Although those Marvel Handbooks did say that the shield was an adamantium/vibranium alloy (IIRC, they said that the side facing the enemy was 75% adamantium/25% vibranium, and the side facing Cap was 25% adamantium/75% vibranium), they were wrong.

Adamantium is an alloy of 3 different isotopes of iron, thus counting as steel (if you squint enough). It was created in an attempt to re-create the accidental alloy that was made into Cap's shield (it was originally a mould for the hatch cover on a tank). Therefore, adamantium hadn't been invented when Cap's shield was made. It was made of an alloy of vibranium and an unknown alloy of steel. This 'unknown alloy' was obviously a bit adamantium-y, but chances are slim that this accidental creation that was accidentally alloyed with vibranium was also accidentally re-created by Myron MacLain as adamantium.


I enjoy it well enough.

I think many people saying "Oh Whedon should be able to do better ladida" and are kinda looking at his past work through some thick nostalgia goggles.

Most of his shows have started off kinda shaky, at least in my opinion.

Buffy and Angel, even Firefly, all their first episode or two have been meh at best.

Interested in seeing where it goes.

Also I like Arrow and Supernatural as well. Supernatural's two seasons before this most recent one were admittedly pretty bad, but I liked the most recent one and all the others as well. I look forward to seeing where it goes too.


I just watched the first two episodes.... It feels like he is trying to remake Firefly with added Faith (Skye's hair style and attitude I expected her to say 5x5).... It's not a bad thing but I hope it grows from there...

Interesting racial stereotypes.... Treacherous Latin Americans, Middle class English non combat scientists (the English (or Australians) can't shine as Heroes in an American show) panicky French Archaeologist (because the French are cowards), and a Chinese Ninja.

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The shield was originally said to be an iron-vibranium alloy. It was in one of the Handbooks that the first erroneous mention of the alloy being vibranium and adamantium came. However, it seemed that that handbook was frequently used as a reference, as that mistake was oft-repeated in the comics afterwards. The "new" retcon is actually turning the page back to how it was originally written before that accidental retcon.


Kthulhu wrote:
The shield was originally said to be an iron-vibranium alloy. It was in one of the Handbooks that the first erroneous mention of the alloy being vibranium and adamantium came. However, it seemed that that handbook was frequently used as a reference, as that mistake was oft-repeated in the comics afterwards. The "new" retcon is actually turning the page back to how it was originally written before that accidental retcon.

This is some high level geekery. Gonna need some references and issue numbers here that would predate/invalidate.

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Freehold DM wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
The shield was originally said to be an iron-vibranium alloy. It was in one of the Handbooks that the first erroneous mention of the alloy being vibranium and adamantium came. However, it seemed that that handbook was frequently used as a reference, as that mistake was oft-repeated in the comics afterwards. The "new" retcon is actually turning the page back to how it was originally written before that accidental retcon.
This is some high level geekery. Gonna need some references and issue numbers here that would predate/invalidate.

He's right. Check out the Wikipedia entry 'Captain America's shield'.

I remember the Marvel Handbook entries back in the day saying it was an adamantium/vibranium alloy, but this cannot have been true since adamantium hadn't been invented then. Adamantium was accidentally created while trying (unsuccessfully) to reproduce the unique alloy that made the shield, which itself was an accident.


Malachi Silverclaw wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
The shield was originally said to be an iron-vibranium alloy. It was in one of the Handbooks that the first erroneous mention of the alloy being vibranium and adamantium came. However, it seemed that that handbook was frequently used as a reference, as that mistake was oft-repeated in the comics afterwards. The "new" retcon is actually turning the page back to how it was originally written before that accidental retcon.
This is some high level geekery. Gonna need some references and issue numbers here that would predate/invalidate.

He's right. Check out the Wikipedia entry 'Captain America's shield'.

I remember the Marvel Handbook entries back in the day saying it was an adamantium/vibranium alloy, but this cannot have been true since adamantium hadn't been invented then. Adamantium was accidentally created while trying (unsuccessfully) to reproduce the unique alloy that made the shield, which itself was an accident.

As I suggested above, the simplest way to reconcile these is to assume that the original creation of the shield essentially created adamantium and alloyed it with vibranium. The later experiments only made it to the creating adamanitium stage.


Looks like they're introducing the first actual supervillain into the show in this week's episode. Graviton, to be precise. I'm interested to see how this works out.


Shadowborn wrote:
Looks like they're introducing the first actual supervillain into the show in this week's episode. Graviton, to be precise. I'm interested to see how this works out.

Graviton? Really? Graviton is pretty serious. Avengers level serious.

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