Wotc has positioned themselves as a no-show at Gencon 2013 this year. This can guarantee that next year they will be dominating the Con in 2014 with the release of 5th Edition NEXT. Asa PAIZO fan I am curious as to what exactly PAIZO will be releasing before the next Con to keep their WINNING tradition. My suggestion is to have a BOX set (I just heard the PAIZO crew yell collectively) that takes a small area and fleshes it out as a detailed sandbox setting. Giving detailed instructions on how to run sandbox style campaigns. That's my idea! What's your idea of what PAIZO has up their magical sleeve for GENCON 2014?
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Remember: this is not a competition, it is only an exhibition. Please no wagering.
I love the idea of a sandbox campaign area ... although I have heard (as it looks like the poster has) that box sets are money losers. Just wrap up a bunch of stuff in plastic and save the money on the box!
That's just my idea...whether its a box set or a box with pdf expansions I would love to see it happen. I wanna hear what others have to say about what they would love to see. And anytime money is involved its competition ;) albeit healthy competition.
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I was reading some old 1st Ed stuff for the first time in quite a while and was struck by just how dense the material is. Because there are no complicated stat blocs, the description and background is practically everything and there are sometimes 6-8 encounters per page. Per page! I would love to see something like that for pathfinder. You could cram 100 pages of encounter areas into 32 pages and really flesh out some area of the game world.
Didn't we just have this thread?
Don't we already know that the new class book (Advanced Class Guide or Ultimate Class Guide) is the GenCon '14 release, and the Iron Gods AP is coming out around then too? Or are those just in 2014 not necessarily at GenCon?
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Don't we already know that the new class book (Advanced Class Guide or Ultimate Class Guide) is the GenCon '14 release, and the Iron Gods AP is coming out around then too? Or are those just in 2014 not necessarily at GenCon?
Best I know, those are the GenCon 2014 releases for Paizo, including any supporting books from the Setting and Campanion lines.
It's not unheard of for paizo to release an "extra" hardcover, outside of their usual product lines.
I'm not sure if the emerald spire counts as that (I never quite "got" just how separate/connected goblinworks are to paizo). My guess would be a book like that would preclude another special release.
Didn't we just have this thread?
Yes...I guess we did. Either way the question still stands lol ;)
There is definitely room for two great fantasy RPGs and even more. Granted we all know that PAIZO produces a superior line up. However the healthy competition gives companies the incentive to give us the fans some new excellent products. Kind of like spoils of war.
Wotc has positioned themselves as a no-show at Gencon 2013 this year.
Er...
The most serious discussion from Paizo about a new box set (which happens to be along the lines of what's suggested in the OP) was the discussion about the Sandpoint Box. But, no hint of a timeline there.
But so long as we're thinking in terms of "competition" (which, while kind of pointless, is admittedly a little fun), seriously everything Paizo has done to date is their best way to defend the leading position they currently have. Paizo, just voted Best Publisher (again), will have had another year of strong support developing and enhancing the Pathfinder RPG under its belt by next year.
Heck, we now have frikkin MYTHIC rules, on top of a rules system that has stood strong for 13 years. Anything else will be untested and new. Sure, it will get some initial sales because it has the name D&D, but that's a different question from a new system's long-term success.
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Wotc has positioned themselves as a no-show at Gencon 2013 this year.Er...
Its like a reverse mating call... Say something negative about WOTC and Scott will show up.
If I ever get lost in the outback I am going to say the most horrible nasty things about WOTC wait for Scott to show up to tell me I am wrong (apologize to him for the WOTC stuff) and hope that he knows the way to civilization...
;-)
Wotc has positioned themselves as a no-show at Gencon 2013 this year.Er...Its like a reverse mating call... Say something negative about WOTC and Scott will show up.
If I ever get lost in the outback I am going to say the most horrible nasty things about WOTC wait for Scott to show up to tell me I am wrong (apologize to him for the WOTC stuff) and hope that he knows the way to civilization...
;-)
Or you both will end lost in the middle of nowhere surrounded by hordes of the most venomous beasts know on this (and a few others) planet.
Or you both will end lost in the middle of nowhere surrounded by hordes of the most venomous beasts know on this (and a few others) planet.Wotc has positioned themselves as a no-show at Gencon 2013 this year.Er...Its like a reverse mating call... Say something negative about WOTC and Scott will show up.
If I ever get lost in the outback I am going to say the most horrible nasty things about WOTC wait for Scott to show up to tell me I am wrong (apologize to him for the WOTC stuff) and hope that he knows the way to civilization...
;-)
I am sure somebody else will say something nasty about WOTC and he will be magically compelled to go and correct them. I just have to follow... :-)
That or I feed him to the Drop Bears, Bunyips and Wokka Demons and make my escape.
Narguns leave little evidence except maybe a stain.....
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Narguns leave little evidence except maybe a stain.....
Mabye a Malingee or Mokoi or Thardid Jimbo will eat him.
Found the coolest site Mythical Creatures List.
Nothing good can come from this...
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I'm sure D&D NEXT's books will use like the worst fonts. Comic Sans titles or something silly.
(Yeah, dumb but it popped into my head and couldn't be stopped.)
Wotc has positioned themselves as a no-show at Gencon 2013 this year.Er...Its like a reverse mating call... Say something negative about WOTC and Scott will show up.
If I ever get lost in the outback I am going to say the most horrible nasty things about WOTC wait for Scott to show up to tell me I am wrong (apologize to him for the WOTC stuff) and hope that he knows the way to civilization...
;-)
Australia is outside my coverage zone. You're on your own there.
Nothing good can come from this...
*passes the popcorn*
Wotc has positioned themselves as a no-show at Gencon 2013 this year.Er...Its like a reverse mating call... Say something negative about WOTC and Scott will show up.
If I ever get lost in the outback I am going to say the most horrible nasty things about WOTC wait for Scott to show up to tell me I am wrong (apologize to him for the WOTC stuff) and hope that he knows the way to civilization...
;-)
i would like to know who "wins" the battle to eat the other when you're both lost and run out of food LOL any bets?
Ultimate Epic: the long awaited update to the Epic Level Handbook (from 3.0 !)
There's no way that's gonna happen at the same time as the release of 5e, but I can hope...
We already got Mythic Adventures. WHAT WILL MAKE YOU HAPPY!
i would like to know who "wins" the battle to eat the other when you're both lost and run out of food LOL any bets?Wotc has positioned themselves as a no-show at Gencon 2013 this year.Er...Its like a reverse mating call... Say something negative about WOTC and Scott will show up.
If I ever get lost in the outback I am going to say the most horrible nasty things about WOTC wait for Scott to show up to tell me I am wrong (apologize to him for the WOTC stuff) and hope that he knows the way to civilization...
;-)
In Australia? The wildlife.
I'm sure D&D NEXT's books will use like the worst fonts. Comic Sans titles or something silly.
(Yeah, dumb but it popped into my head and couldn't be stopped.)
Murder at Baldurs Gate and The Assault on Dragonspear Castle actually look very good. Better art so far than PF as well which does kind of look over the top animie stupid IMHO and the Ultimate Campaign with the crappy cover was probably the last PF core book I bought and plan on buying.
Not sure if I will be buying D&DN as IDK what it will end up like but the last playtest packet was not terrible and it is easier to run than PF so that might tempt me as a DM. The rage towards 4th ed has faded and the frustration of running PF has had me thinking about running 3.5 again with a ban list. I've been dropping more money lately on OSR type stuff and retroclones than 3.x.
I thought WotC was announcing details of the Sundering this Gen Con?
They did. Bhaal is coming back.
Time of Troubles coming back? (as in physical avatar wandering around Faerun)
or re-inclusion into Pantheon coming back?
As in there are still a few Bhaalspawn coming back and the Murder in Baldurs Gate scenario will determine what NPC becomes Bhaal after the Sundering. Gods are apparently going to be more hands off so AFAIK it is not ToT 2.0.
They have also got some new artists that do not suck. The cartoony feel of 4th ed/WAR on the covers is gone. Art looks a bit more like Game of Thrones or Magic the Gathering in some places.
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/sundering.aspx
The unholy symbol of Bhaal looks great and they have a video on that link that looks amazing IMHO. Almost makes me want to play FR again and it is definately plucking at the old heart strings. WoTC is pulling out all the stops it seems.
It's cool looking, though I do love me some Wayne Reynolds. Still, different strokes for folks and such.
Idk if I can deal with ANOTHER cataclysm for Forgotten Realms. I got pretty fed up with it after 4ED's version. Might pass on this.
EDIT: Upon a closer read, it looks like they're reversing a lot of what happened with the 4ED change. That's certainly something I prefer. I'll look more into, though I really do hope they focus on more than just the drow and the Underdark.
I would prefer a major retcon but I may give them a chance. See what happens as it is retcon in al but name.
It's not unheard of for paizo to release an "extra" hardcover, outside of their usual product lines.
I'm not sure if the emerald spire counts as that (I never quite "got" just how separate/connected goblinworks are to paizo). My guess would be a book like that would preclude another special release.
They do, the begginer box is a prime example. But it is NOT going to be at gencon. Their is a reason they call it the Con Crunch. They will be scrambling to get 10 new classes and supporting material, as well as the Numeria Adventure path with likely space ships robots, maybe aliens and all its supporting material ready for gencon. There is no way they are taking on something like a boxed set at the same time.
If they do it, which is unlikely, but if they do, it would be in the off season (spring most likely). But still given how strongly Lisa and Eric have spoken against boxed sets, and the fact that Lisa saw first hand the losses that happened to TSR because of them, we probably wont see one any time soon. We might get cards, maps, minis, and an adventure to work together, but they will be sold separately, and the price that paizo is able to sell them.
That said, I am pretty sure what they have lined up will be a good competator for Next. 10 new classes is gonna generate alot of playtest hype. And people have been clamoring for a numeria AP since like second darkness. I am looking forward to it, and need to try to finish up my Rise of the Runelords game in time to pick up Iron gods.
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@Justin
That's perfect timing, since I was thinking (while in the shower*) that the only 'answer' Paizo needs to do (besides making awesome products and getting the Pathfinder brand out there) is maybe make T-shirt that say "Realms Shaking Events should be caused by PCs, not Editions." :-)
Thanks for the morning laugh.
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I'd be more interested if they finally gave the Forgotten Plotlline the ol' heave ho and injected some fresh blood into something interesting. Heck even the "core setting" of 4e was more interesting than the Paired-Noun Forgotten Interest. Sorry for the snark. I'm not a hater of editions, and quite liked some mechanics of 4e (bloodied, combat tactical aspects like slide and push)/detested it's slavish "balance"/liked some of the art/hated some of the art but Forgotten Realms? Boredom central.
Who has the list of what these classes are?
That said, I am pretty sure what they have lined up will be a good competator for Next. 10 new classes is gonna generate alot of playtest hype. And people have been clamoring for a numeria AP since like second darkness. I am looking forward to it, and need to try to finish up my Rise of the Runelords game in time to pick up Iron gods.
I dont think a complete list has been released. We have heard bits and pieces on like facebook and twitter, but I would expect it to be at least a couple weeks before we get a real announcement of the 10 classes, and a couple months before we get the playtest documents.
The real question isn't what Paizo needs to do to compete with D&D Next, it's whether WotC will ever have an Exhibitor Hall presence again. Did anyone see the Dungeons of Dragonspear Castle book that's supposedly Next's "first impression" unveiling? I stumbled across it in an abandoned corner of somebody else's booth, completely ignored by all attendees, and without a single sign saying what it was. The cover was nice but inside art was downright embarrassing. Who drags 1st Ed artwork into 2013? And the cheap paper (soft bound even!) was just insult to injury. Good luck getting $30 for that.
Five years ago my hope was that 4th Ed would fail and Hasbro would sell D&D to Paizo. I got my first wish but at this point D&D isn't worth buying as it would just dilute the Pathfinder name. Dungeons & Dragons is destined to become the Chainmail of our generation.
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Eh, I really wouldn't make it a vs. thing. Honestly, I want both to succeed. And I'd rather the market get to the point so it's not a zero sum game where one company has to gobble up the customer base of the other in order to survive. I'd rather the market grows so they both can succeed!
I think Paizo does a great job, and I'm super happy about their success. But Hasbro has a very valuable brand in D&D, and I'd rather they succeed as well.
Hasbro is big enough and the D&D name is iconic enough that they're not going to sell the brand - it's too valuable. If they decide to mothball it, they're going to keep it under wraps until they think they can pull it out, shake it off, and wave it around again for money in a decade or so.
I didn't enjoy 4th edition as a whole, but there were elements I did like, and I played a longstanding campaign in it because my friends were playing it - and we had some good times and got some great stories out of it, despite it not being my favorite system.
The developers at D&D are real people, doing their best to turn out a quality product people will like. We could argue about whether we agree with what their audience will like, but these are real people with real jobs and real lives. I'm rooting for their success, not failure.
In order to make it so both can succeed, make it a point to try to grow the hobby. Do your part to make it so there's enough room and money for everyone!
jess door gets it!! as does the brains behind Paizo, as they have said nothing but kind words for WotC (as well they should since most of them were at some point either employees or freelancers) i'm curious as to DnD Next but probably wont invest heavily (or at all) in it.
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Eh, I really wouldn't make it a vs. thing. Honestly, I want both to succeed. And I'd rather the market get to the point so it's not a zero sum game where one company has to gobble up the customer base of the other in order to survive. I'd rather the market grows so they both can succeed!
I think Paizo does a great job, and I'm super happy about their success. But Hasbro has a very valuable brand in D&D, and I'd rather they succeed as well.
Hasbro is big enough and the D&D name is iconic enough that they're not going to sell the brand - it's too valuable. If they decide to mothball it, they're going to keep it under wraps until they think they can pull it out, shake it off, and wave it around again for money in a decade or so.
I didn't enjoy 4th edition as a whole, but there were elements I did like, and I played a longstanding campaign in it because my friends were playing it - and we had some good times and got some great stories out of it, despite it not being my favorite system.
The developers at D&D are real people, doing their best to turn out a quality product people will like. We could argue about whether we agree with what their audience will like, but these are real people with real jobs and real lives. I'm rooting for their success, not failure.
In order to make it so both can succeed, make it a point to try to grow the hobby. Do your part to make it so there's enough room and money for everyone!
Yeah I agree with Jess here.
I'm not a fan of 4E or D&D or WOTC that much these days. After being off of D&D since 2008 I don't see myself going back. What I've read of NEXT isn't wowing me or winning me over so there's that.
Do I want them to fail spectacularly? or do I want some sort of crazy battle royale between Paizo and WOTC? HELL NO. I want Paizo to continue with the quality material that they've been putting out. They should be focusing on what THEY want to do and their fans and not competing directly with WOTC and D&D.
Back in 2007 - 2008 I saw a lot of what I'm starting to see now in regards to 3.5. People starting to crap all over Pathfinder saying it's bloated, there's power creep, it's broken BLAH BLAH BLAH. D&D NEXT is simpler, streamlined, elegant. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Here's the thing that I never got from these so called fans: you can like two or more things at the same time. You don't have to crap all over one to profess your love for the other. Especially when you know that you're going to be complaining about that new system eventually.
I don't play games that I don't care for. I don't spend time crapping all over them either. 4E wasn't MY cup of tea. But It is SOMEBODY'S cup of tea and if you cant tell me what's awesome about something you like without crapping all over something else? It's not that something else that's faulty and broken. IT'S YOU.
Paizo may even take the tack of going quiet with stuff next year knowing 5e is gonna be big and loud, and save something super awesome for the year after when WotC won't have a major launch advantage.
Given they have announced the Advanced Class guide with 10 new base classes, as well as the numeria (place where there is a giant spaceship crashed) adventure path for next gencon, I think its hard to say they are being quiet. There is going to be a major playtest going up to the advanced players guide, and there has been a strong call for numeria material for some time now, which is likely to include robots, lazers and aliens. Thats about as loud and splashy as it gets from paizo.
its spelled LASER there is no Z:)
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I don't see how there's any real race to "win" GenCon. I'm sure that Paizo will do plenty of business next year even with 5th edition taking most of the press.
And I'll agree with everybody else who wants WotC to succeed with this edition of the game. It will be especially nice if they follow through with their goal of general compatibility, since that will mean that I can yank anything nice I see in 5th edition and port it over to my Pathfinder game.
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Paizo may even take the tack of going quiet with stuff next year knowing 5e is gonna be big and loud, and save something super awesome for the year after when WotC won't have a major launch advantage.Given they have announced the Advanced Class guide with 10 new base classes, as well as the numeria (place where there is a giant spaceship crashed) adventure path for next gencon, I think its hard to say they are being quiet. There is going to be a major playtest going up to the advanced players guide, and there has been a strong call for numeria material for some time now, which is likely to include robots, lazers and aliens. Thats about as loud and splashy as it gets from paizo.
I think Numeria is something that is just popular with a (very) vocal group of forumites. Advanced Class Guide won't be as major a release as Mythic. I think the "next big gun" will likely be psionics. Pathfinder modern would be huge also, but less likely.