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Pan wrote:
I am pretty sure WOTC are afraid to death of giving the game away. I dont expect to ever see an OGL from them again.

Which is unfortunate, because the cat is out of the bag. Anything they do now has to contend with a host of OGL games. As Ryan Dancey correctly pointed out years ago, it is going to be very tough for WotC to release something that can successfully go head-to-head with OGL-based competitors, yet still look/feel enough like earlier editions to please most folks. I think that is ultimately killed 4E -- it felt too different for many.


One theory going around is they will have some form of modified OGL. Basically you can make stuff for whatever edition of D&D you like but you have to sell it through a WoTC app store and they take a cut. Kind of like DDI or Itunes.

Not sure how accurate that would be IDK but it is one rumor going around.


Zardnaar wrote:

One theory going around is they will have some form of modified OGL. Basically you can make stuff for whatever edition of D&D you like but you have to sell it through a WoTC app store and they take a cut. Kind of like DDI or Itunes.

Not sure how accurate that would be IDK but it is one rumor going around.

Interesting. I would prefer that to wholesale rejection of the OGL, which I think would make things very tough for them at this point.

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I can dig that as long they do it piecemeal. Don't sell subscriptions for 20 dollars a month and offer a bunch of products. If all I want is a character builder and storage give me that at 5 bucks a month. Don't make me pay 15 for magazine articles and other things I might not want. Thats the cool thing about Paizo they offer different subscriptions for different products.


As I said it was jut a rumor and probably wishful thinking. It makes a lot of sense though so that means WoTC probably will not do it.


Here's how you'll know if they are serious about 3PP support: the 3PPs will get the rules and the license (whatever it ends up being) prior to the general public. If they don't, then we'll know 3PPs are an afterthought, and not a significant part of the sales plan.

WotC corporate never seemed to warm to the idea of a free-use license at all, so I'll be impressed if one happens. (I think it was Clark Peterson's pestering and Scott Rouse's inside WotC persistence that even produced any license [GSL] at all. Since neither of them seem very involved this time around, I doubt there are any true champions of the idea left.) We'll see.


Pan wrote:
Being that the play-test was really a concept test

Why do I feel like I've heard this before somewhere?

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Scott Betts wrote:
Pan wrote:
Being that the play-test was really a concept test
Why do I feel like I've heard this before somewhere?

Perhaps that was presumptuous of me. Based on how things have gone do you think differently?


Pan wrote:
Scott Betts wrote:
Pan wrote:
Being that the play-test was really a concept test
Why do I feel like I've heard this before somewhere?
Perhaps that was presumptuous of me. Based on how things have gone do you think differently?

I think that it's pretty obviously a playtest, and to claim that it isn't is silly.

Before you come back with something along the lines of, "But they're not even asking about balance issues!" I literally have a feedback survey in front of me asking about balance issues like relative power levels.

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Scott Betts wrote:
Pan wrote:
Scott Betts wrote:
Pan wrote:
Being that the play-test was really a concept test
Why do I feel like I've heard this before somewhere?
Perhaps that was presumptuous of me. Based on how things have gone do you think differently?

I think that it's pretty obviously a playtest, and to claim that it isn't is silly.

Before you come back with something along the lines of, "But they're not even asking about balance issues!" I literally have a feedback survey in front of me asking about balance issues like relative power levels.

Actually, I wasn't denying that the play-test was a play-test. What I think most folks got wrong is thinking the play-test was a beta for 5E. I think that line of reasoning is incorrect. Sorry for any confusion.


Pan wrote:
Scott Betts wrote:
Pan wrote:
Scott Betts wrote:
Pan wrote:
Being that the play-test was really a concept test
Why do I feel like I've heard this before somewhere?
Perhaps that was presumptuous of me. Based on how things have gone do you think differently?

I think that it's pretty obviously a playtest, and to claim that it isn't is silly.

Before you come back with something along the lines of, "But they're not even asking about balance issues!" I literally have a feedback survey in front of me asking about balance issues like relative power levels.

Actually, I wasn't denying that the play-test was a play-test. What I think most folks got wrong is thinking the play-test was a beta for 5E. I think that line of reasoning is incorrect. Sorry for any confusion.

Oh, that makes sense. Sorry, I've been arguing with a guy at EN World who really is trying to hold the position that the D&D Next playtest wasn't a playtest, and I was sort of still in that mode.


Zardnaar wrote:
Lol. I'm kinda starting to like Mike he seems to be passionate about the game and inherited a screwed up situation.

He is a totally decent, really cool guy with a boatload of humility and the patience of a mountain.


Scott Betts wrote:
Zardnaar wrote:
Lol. I'm kinda starting to like Mike he seems to be passionate about the game and inherited a screwed up situation.
He is a totally decent, really cool guy with a boatload of humility and the patience of a mountain.

The 4vengers have been ripping him a new one for a long time. Not very familiar with his work as I only bought the 1st 3 4th ed books.

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GenCon just released the exhibit hall map and it appears WotC don't have a booth. Was this the plan all along? What's up?

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Judging by the size of Gale Force 9's booth, I suspect they'll be the ones selling Wizards' D&D stuff, as they did last year.

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