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Prophet of Sara Marie wrote:
Alexander Augunas wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Alexander Augunas wrote:
Adam Daigle wrote:
Alexander Augunas wrote:

I asked Daigle this and he said that Bestiary 4's development predated his time at Paizo, so I thought that maybe the Master of Monsters would know better.

....
I'm gonna correct something here. The adlet first appeared in Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Lands of the Linnorm Kings, which came out before I was on staff. I was here for the entirety of Bestiary 4.

And here I thought you were going to correct me because I claimed that the adlet was from Bestiary 4, when in reality it was (apparently) reprinted in Bestiary 3!

MY MISTAKES KEEP ON MULTIPLYING.

*sobs.*

There there, we all know it's Cosmo's fault.
Yeah, you're probably right.

See that? That's heresy talking!

readies holy smite against Alexander Augunas.

I thought you were Pro-Blame Cosmo?


Zark wrote:

Hi Wes.

I’m going to play a Human Paladin of Arshea and I have some questions related to Arshea.

1. What books can I buy that give me more information in Arshea? (I have “The Inner sea world guide”, “Inner Sea Primer” and “Chronicle Of The Righteous”. I’ve read the Wiki but I can’t find the information from the Wiki in any book)

2. What is Arshea’s relationships to other Religions/Deities?

3. What is Arshea’s relationships Cayden Cailean?

4. What is Arshea's relationship to alcohol and drugs?

5. What is Arshea's view on prostitution and brothels?

6. What races/human races in Golarion worship Arshea? (I plan let my character be a Varisian, with some Vudrani or Chelaxians descendants)

7. Arshea’s portfolio says: Freedom, Physical beauty and Sexuality. Does Physical beauty mean (s)he dislikes those that lack Physical beauty or could (s)he still like for example a fighter that is physically fit, but has a low charisma score?

8. Would it be unheard of if a Paladin try to convert someone to the faith of Arshea by seduction/sex?

9. What is Arshea view on Nature vs. Civilization? (I’ve decided that my character will have some Fey blood so I want to play on my character’s ties to nature.)

10. What is Arshea view on consensual sex between two persons from different races? Say, Human with a Gnome, Faun or Half-Ork?

11. What is Arshea view on Paladins?

Finally, I’ve read your other posts on Arshea. They have been very helpful. Many thanks.

I realize you all must be busy with the upcoming play test so you can ignore most of the questions, but I would be really happy if you could answer question 2, 4, 5 and 9.


Rysky wrote:
I thought you were Pro-Blame Cosmo?

I most certainly am not!

Yet.

When the natural balance of the Pazionian Forces of Light and Darkness has been restored, I'll be pro-worshiping the Dark Lord as you suggest. But until that day comes, heeeeeeeeersey!!

Spoiler:

More importantly, I *just* learned how to cast holy smite last level, and I've been itching to do just that.

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Alexander Augunas wrote:
Why was the decision made to make the adlets a 15-HD humanoid instead of a 0-HD race? I get that giants deserve multiple Hit Dice because they're big and strong and scary, but personally I find it a bit weird that this human-sized race has so many Hit Dice.

I find it odd in the way that the size Small Charda (from Second Darkness 6, Descent into Midnight) have *nine* racial HD. That's the same racial HD as a *Killer Whale,* packed into a gnome sized body.

To turn that into a question, is it challenging to design mid to high level encounters that don't revolve around big bags of hit points, lots of class levels and / or large-to-gargantuan creatures?

With some effects dependent upon Hit Dice, it seems like lower HD threats that have other means of defense (such as a Rakshasa's immunity to some levels of spells, or a Golem's immunity to a broad swath of spells, or non-corporealness) get 'priced out,' and the default solution seems to be 'strap more Hit Dice on that puppy,' sort of how like, in MMOs, your new continent for high level players has fuzzy little critters running around with thousands of hit points 'because it's a 50th level zone' and not because the fuzzy little critters would logically all happen to have thousands of hit points in these new lands.

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While tossing Ideas back and forth with Mikaze a thought occurred to me:

What if Vildeis is Dispater's first wife?

There is Cicatrix, "Of these, her dagger Cicatrix is the most infamous, a black blade like a thorn dropped from some gigantic iron rose..."

Then you get to Dispater, the Iron Lord, who also shares similar if now opposing views on perfection, as well as the fact that his preferred body form resembles Vildeis' holy symbol.

Also that "Iron rose" may in fact be a euphemism for Dispater.

As well as Cicatrix's destruction method:
"DESTRUCTION Cicatrix is destroyed if an evil outsider of CR 20 or higher uses the blade to sacrifice itself to save a good outsider's life".

Then there is the original fall, maybe he didn't fall out of loyalty to Asmodeus, but to his wife in order to protect her. He has no recollection of it, so who's to say the damage from the fall or even Asmodeus didn't warp his memories for why he did what he did.

Mikaze wrote:

Just realized there may be a solution to the continuity issue about Vildeis starting her thing right after her birth and not having time to be Dispater's wife before his fall:

Chronicle of the Righteous/Bestiary 4 were talking about when she was reborn, after she lost her original life in the tragedy of Dispater's fall. She was being given a reincarnation-reset by Heaven itself, to be free of that tragedy, but it found her again right away, or maybe she found it, and she's been the Vildeis we know ever since.

Maybe that's why Dispater can't recognize her, because of what's happened to him and because his wife has been reborn into someone new.

Maybe Cicatrix is his regret? Or his severed conscience?

Your thoughts?

and an accompanying thread on the subject

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Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
So...here's a question that's been bugging me for a while. Why is Iomedae not venerated in Korvosa, a city that strives to be as Chelish as possible, while she IS venerated in Magnimar, a city that wanted to divorce itself from that nation? I find it odd that the people in Varisia who are most proud of their Chelaxian heritage favor a Kelish goddess (Sarenrae having more adherents in Korvosa than Iomedae, but trailing behind Abadar and Asmodeus, of course) rather than one of their peoples' own cultural heroes.

It is odd! Which gives it some awesome potential for stories explaining why it is.

I used to live across from a church that had been turned into a nondenominational creperie. Great lox and chives crepes and entirely religion free. Can't say that about most churches. And the owner had a great story about how he came from South Africa and now owns a church that makes delicious anytime breakfasts.

Weird stuff like that happens all the time.

So why is there not a temple of Iomedae in Korvosa? In a city a bureaucratic as Korvosa with as many scheming factions as there are there could be thousands of reasons. Maybe there was one and it was shut down after a squabble with one of the city's early decadent rulers. Maybe there was one outside of the city and the Shoanti targeted it for raids after an overly zealous high priest launched a limited crusade against them. Maybe members of the Academae used their political influence to block the creation of a proposed church. Maybe a sizable congregation just never got organized. All of these could be possibilities, and in our books we tend to focus more on what there is over why there aren't things. There's great potential for adventures when you're filling in gaps like this. So feel free to pick any of these options or create your own even more realistically strange explanation.

As an aside, just because there's not a temple of Iomedae in the city isn't meant to imply that no one worships her in the city. Between families that hold her as their patron, individuals who keep personal shrines, or others who just gravitate more toward her worship, I'm certain you can find plenty of Iomedae worshipers in the city even if they're not all representatives of her larger church.

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Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
I see. Thank you. I'm not being annoying with these constant questions, am I?

No way man! Keep 'em coming and I will continue to take my sweet time answering. :D

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DrDeth wrote:
Wes, James Sutter was saying you wanted more Monsters. My supplement, the Manual of Aurania, written way back in 1977, has a number of weird monsters. Paizo is welcome to mine it, without charge of any kind. (Altho a mention of the source would be nice).

Cool man, kick me an e-mail at wes@paizo.com sometime. I'd love to take a look!

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Cori Marie wrote:
So Wes, I was just going through the playlists you provided in Carrion Crown to download what I can for my Carrion Crown game. And while much of it is awesome, I notice a glaring omission. There was no Nox Arcana! Was there a reason for this?

Nox Arcana does do creepy music! And I have many of their CDs. And many people like them and might use them in their RPGs.

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Shadar Aman wrote:

I'm in the middle of running Rise of the Runelords, and I know in the future I want to run Shattered Star. I'm strongly considering running Curse of the Crimson throne in between, both for added backstory and because it looks fantastic. Today I was rereading some of Seven Days to the Grave, and it struck me that this adventure (and indeed the entire AP) demands theme music. Any suggestions to set the mood during different parts of 7DttG? Suggestions for other volumes would be bonus.

If you've posted suggestions somewhere else, just point me in that direction.

I've got a pretty long link over on my website covering the music I've suggested using in Carrion Crown. A lot of that would work nicely for Seven Days.

Finding music from films that covers similar ground can also lead to some really useful results. I might suggest Alien, Symphonic Super Metroid, Mimic, Outbreak, Parasite Eve, Bram Stoker's Dracula, and Interview with the Vampire. A few of my favs and a few untested ones are on there, but take a look!

I'd also totally suggest scouring the site Grooveshark so you can try before you buy.


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F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
Shadar Aman wrote:

I'm in the middle of running Rise of the Runelords, and I know in the future I want to run Shattered Star. I'm strongly considering running Curse of the Crimson throne in between, both for added backstory and because it looks fantastic. Today I was rereading some of Seven Days to the Grave, and it struck me that this adventure (and indeed the entire AP) demands theme music. Any suggestions to set the mood during different parts of 7DttG? Suggestions for other volumes would be bonus.

If you've posted suggestions somewhere else, just point me in that direction.

I've got a pretty long link over on my website covering the music I've suggested using in Carrion Crown. A lot of that would work nicely for Seven Days.

Finding music from films that covers similar ground can also lead to some really useful results. I might suggest Alien, Symphonic Super Metroid, Mimic, Outbreak, Parasite Eve, Bram Stoker's Dracula, and Interview with the Vampire. A few of my favs and a few untested ones are on there, but take a look!

I'd also totally suggest scouring the site Grooveshark so you can try before you buy.

That's a lot of good ideas. Thanks!


Hi Wesley!

Have you read any of the relatively new Bobby Dollar series by Tad Williams? The main character is an angel in human form who advocates for the dead so they get sent to Heaven or Purgatory, not Hell. Kind of a blend of Noir and Urban fantasy, with some Planescape thrown in for flavor.

Anyway I only bring it up because the second book (Happy Hour in Hell) is awesome, and is a travelogue of the title character's travel through Hell. It's one of the best treatments on how Hell operates on a political, psychological, and even ecological level that I have yet to read.


Did you know about the Lavellan and Shadhavar mythology creatures? What do you think of them?


Taking it back to October:

F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
ulgulanoth wrote:
what tropes do you think fantasy settings (in general and specifically Golarion) are missing out on?

Ooof. Hummm.

Non-sci-fi vehicles. Like, there's not a game where I really have to care about my car or my airship or my riverboat.

Speaking of riverboats, I'm going to play Carolina Death Crawl next week. I really like that it's a game that takes you from point A to B then back again. The game that's all about traveling places, or even just games that do travel really well—I'd like to see more of those. From what I've read of the One Ring RPG, they have some very neat ideas on running journeys, but I'd like to see more.

How was Carolina Death Crawl? In theory UPS is delivering Bully Pulpit's Shab-al-Hiri Roach before the day is up. I'm not entirely sure what to expect.

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Playing Gods. Not seeing a lot of that these days. Even a game where you get to design a world as players.

Have you checked out Universalis? Also on that UPS truck. Seems like a collaborative world-building game of some kind. Enough to tempt my curiosity, at any rate.

Was just checking out your 2012 Wrap-Up & 2013 Ambitions entry on Erratic Episodes - looking forward to the next installment of that! And to Kingdom Death! One day!

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How hard would it be for PCs to take structures like Renchurch or Scarwall and "redeem" them? After the events that bring PCs to places like these they tend to tear through the current residents and leave the place ripe for the taking. Would it be possible for them to convert these places to some kind of "forward base", say, by bringing a legion of clerics of Iomedae/Sarenrae/Whoever to exorcise anything and everything within and eventually not only deny their enemy a chance to return and rebuild, but convert a stronghold of evil to a bastion of good?

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How hard was it to resist the urge to include the stats for a few Psychopomp Ushers in Bestiary 4?

Would writing a Chronicles of the Righteous-sized book on Psychopomps be something that you'd want to do?

What's your swashbuckler name?


Hi again Wes.

My human Paladin of Arshea got killed last night and she got reincarnated because we couldn’t afford a raise dead. My GM was kind enough to let me choose gender so now she is trying out how it is to be a male. Really fun and fitting.

I’m really happy I found out about Arshea as god, but I obviously hope we get more information on her/him.

Will the Inner Sea Gods contain information on Arshea?


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F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
Cori Marie wrote:
So Wes, I was just going through the playlists you provided in Carrion Crown to download what I can for my Carrion Crown game. And while much of it is awesome, I notice a glaring omission. There was no Nox Arcana! Was there a reason for this?
Nox Arcana does do creepy music! And I have many of their CDs. And many people like them and might use them in their RPGs.

During a particularly spooky part of Rise of the Runelords I actually had my players request that I STOP playing Nox Arcana because it was creeping them out too much.

Wes, do you have any favorite tracks/bands/albums you would use for general wandering about music? Have you tried Syrinscape? I'd be curious to know your thoughts on it, especially with a burgeoning relationship between them and Paizo.

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Merry Christmas Mistah F! :3


Rysky wrote:
Merry Christmas Mistah F! :3

I don't think he does "merry"

Should we wish him "horrible" holidays?


This is from the James Jacobs thread, he said you might have some input on it:

Do you know if the Outer Dragons' described tendency to have their alignment vary more than most other kinds of dragons is mostly about good vs evil (All but the Void Dragon are neutral on that axis) or do they vary between law and chaos and neutrality as well (all but the void dragon and time dragon are described as either chaotic or neutral).

"The outer dragon's alignments form a + on the alignment chart, I believe. We wanted more neutral dragons. But there's no hard and fast rule for dragon alignments."

If that was the intent, then either the Vortex Dragon or the Solar Dragon (both LN) would have to be NG instead. If that were the case, which would it be? Or did you just mean none of them have extreme alignments? I had thought the primal dragons formed a + except for the Umbral, but I was mistaken, since there are both chaotic good and chaotic evil apparently (Crystal Dragons don't really strike me as chaotic good, for some reason).


Monster/Horror/Circus based Classes/Characters?

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Hey Wes! Good to see you back on here again so I've gotta ask something I've asked a couple of times over the year.

1. What does the faith of Crocell look like amongst the surface races? How does it function long term and does it openly flaunt its connections to hell or does it play it more secret and reveal it as they become more invested?

2. What is the view of homosexuality within hell? How are devils that have these kinds of relationships viewed especially considering the planes masculine connotations and it's misogynistic tendencies?

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AlgaeNymph wrote:

Of the Empyreals, Arshea is by far my favorite given our shared interests. I've some questions about him that I put in a list format so you'd notice it better.

1. Where did the idea for him come up?

2. Given that he's both transgender and sexualized, has anyone complained about him perpetuating stereotypes or somesuch?

3. Since Ragathiel's celestial obedience means he wants people at the forefront of cosmic battles, what does Arshea's mean?

4. Given Arshea's obedience, would you allow any of his worshippers to take the hedonistic (Ultimate Campaign, p.65) drawback?

5. What exactly do Arshea mystery cults do? I'm guessing sex is a large part of it but Arshea seems activist from his description.

6. Oh, and how is "Arshea" pronounced?

Okay, jumping this in line since AlgaeNymph referenced it on Aug 1 (good gawd I'm behind, oofda).

1. No place in particular, just my brain. Empyreal Lords in general were born during my time working on Dragon, particularly when I was doing the editing on James's Demonomicon series. They were awesome, I love D&D's demon lords, but they always felt limited to just the GM half of our audience. These were massive, super cool articles that players were likely never going to see or be able to use. So it got me thinking, "We should have Demon Lords for good guys."

When we got to Pathfinder, we had a whole world that needed populating. Especially in those early days we were starved for proper nouns, so pretty much anything we dropped in articles could be made to work. That's why in the first few volumes of Pathfinder AP you'll find a few things that didn't take (locations that never manifested on the world map [or have yet to], characters who never took shape). So in my Magnimar article in Pathfinder #2 I put down my marker on the whole Empyreal Lord concept.

Page 59: "Assemblies devoted to the empyreal lords Soralyn, Ashava the True Spark, and the Horseman of War are all known to gather in the city.""

You can see even from there that not everything took. My original idea for the Four Horsemen was that they'd be good-aligned destroyers, but through a series of philosophical conversations and rigid interpretations of the game's alignment system we chose another path. But the overall idea stuck, so I defined these guys more in the Inner Sea World Guide, and then we were off to the races from there!

2. Complained, no, but it was pointed out by Renee Knipe, a friend who spoke on last year's Queer as a Three-Sided Die seminar at Gen Con. Not being transgender, my vantage on that world is limited. Renee read the section on Arshea in advance of Chronicle of the Righteous's publication (hence her Special Thanks credit in that book) and pointed out "Hey, this is cool, but you know this doesn't have to be all about sexy times." To which I was like "OH! DUH! Of course!" The ship had kind of sailed with Arshea since she'd been set on that course since the inn, but that discussion was certainly a "DUH" moment for me and has revised our paths with some transgender content since then.

3. As a goddess of sexuality, I think she mostly just wants people to share and enjoy that in a positive way.

4. I sure would. But for me, suboptimal characters are the most interesting. We're all suboptimal after all. ;)

5. Well sex is only one-third of Arshea's portfolio, along with freedom and physical beauty. I think I might have talked about this upstream a bit, but I could see her worshipers working at or putting together gymnasiums, spas, shelters, contests, and what not. As for what they do at their meetings, meditation, physical competitions, therapy, discussions on improving/loving your self/body, etc all sound strong. I would not think of these meetings in the modern Christian sense, with congregations assembling to listen to sermons. Maybe look into how real world mystery cults worked for some more ideas.

6. "R" and "Shey" (rhyming with "fey").

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Kairos Dawnfury wrote:

Sir, I can not thank you enough for the blessing that is Hellknights. I may have been able to, but then you did a post about the origins of them and how they aren't actually evil and I discovered that the Order of the Godclaw has a prominent member that is a Paladin.

I love "I look friggin' evil, but I will save your kitten" characters since reading the Dragonlance books and about Steel Brightblade (even if his name is basically Metal Shinysword).

1. Were hellknights your idea or something presented that you took ownership of as a pet project in Golarion?

2. With Wrath of the Righteous announced, could you see a Hellknight fitting into that AP?

3. Any chance you can push for more Hellknight Minis to show up?

4. Can we expect the Hellknights to show up in any upcoming products with a large role?

Yay! Glad you're digging them.

1. I came up with Hellknights when I was writing the Player's Guide for Rise of the Runelords, where you'll actually note that they're detailed under the Paladin section. I always liked the idea of alignment champions and thought it was silly that only lawful good and chaotic evil got them. Hellknights came about as a melding of that idea, the Knights of Solamnia/Takhisis, the Judges from Final Fantasy 12, and my love of lawful neutral villains. In other words, what if Les Miserable's Javert had cart blanche to enforce law by the letter of the law. So that's largely the ground that comes from.

2. Sure could! It might not be the exact assumption of the adventure, but the Hellknights sure wouldn't want demons loose taking over Golarion. As exemplars of law they would be firmly opposed to the demons and would eagerly ally with the Mendevians. That's not to say there wouldn't be conflict with the crusade runners, but drama is a good thing—especially if beggars can't afford to be choosers.

3. Yes!

4. Well, you'll definitely want to check out Inner Sea NPC Codex, which has some AWESOME Hellknight art. Champions of Balance is also going to have some new bits Hellknight characters would get a kick out of. Beyond that, folks will just have to wait and see!


I asked James this in his thread and although he did answer it somewhat and gave his opinion on it he said it was more of a Wes Question so here it is.

Both Ragathiel and Thais have had one of their wings taken off by interactions with devils. In these cases it was from Dispater and Asmodeus respectively. Is this just coincidence or is there something to devils taking the wings off of empyreals?

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Jumping ahead a bit...

doc the grey wrote:

Ohh he has returned and so I will repost a question I had from a while back

1.Are their any male homosexual archdukes, archdevils, or other named demigod+ devils in hell? To be more precise I'm also referring to those that are exclusively attracted to males and not those who are just also attracted to them along with other options like say belial.

2. What does the cult of Crocell look like? I'm in the middle of trying to use him for one of my home games and he seems a truly interesting character but what his cult might look like and it's focus I haven't the faintest clue.

Hey just wanted to pull these back up and see if I could get some info on either of these topics.

1. I really don't believe sexuality is a big thing for immortal embodiments of ideals, especially those with infinitely mutable forms. By and large, I'd go so far as saying that the vast majority of outsiders that are still even interested in the sticky fumblings of sexual encounters are probably bisexual. These types of creatures aren't born in the traditional sense, so there's really no reason for them to even have genitals, breasts, belly buttons, etc (or if we really got into it and looked beyond the game rules, there's not a lot of reason outsiders would even need to breathe, eat, excrete, etc—why would your outer planes even need suns or air, except to comfort newly arrived souls with minds locked into a single understanding).

So I'm not trying to be evasive, but I really don't think sexuality is a big deal for most devils or outsiders.

Or, if that doesn't satisfy, then consider them largely uninterested in sex (expect where noted otherwise), but could be swayed by charming paragons of either gender.

2. Good news! Crocell is straight out of the Goetia, so there's more about him in real world demonology than just what's been said in Princes of Darkness. So if you're looking for more inspiration for him, I'd start there.

For my part, I always imagined Crocell as being tied into mysterious bodies of water, like underground lakes, cenotes, hidden oases, blue holes, hot springs, natural fountains, wells, and the creepy ancient watery graves they found in Mexico. He's big into illusions and language, so I could see him hiding secrets or ancient knowledge in bodies of water, underwater visions, and mist. I think he'd be very into liquid hallucinogenic drugs. I could see his followers being seers, desert dwellers, jungle dwellers, and spear fishers—because I bet he LOVES poisonous fish that can cause hallucinations. I could also see him having some presence in a big city sewer, like a weird sewer seer that sits amid a pristine pool amid a river of sludge and offers visions and dreamlike respite to those who drink from his (poison) font. But yeah, I think his followers could easily be centered around an individual seer—the one who proclaims to see clearly—with followers who ascribe to his mysteries, seek his guidance, are addicted to his tainted waters, or who hunt creatures of the deep to collect their wisdom. I bet this guy LOVES whales and dolphins, especially eating their brains and stealing what they know.

That's the 3 minute stream of consciousness tirade I've got on Crocell at the moment. Hope that helps!

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Quick one:

Drock11 wrote:

I asked James this in his thread and although he did answer it somewhat and gave his opinion on it he said it was more of a Wes Question so here it is.

Both Ragathiel and Thais have had one of their wings taken off by interactions with devils. In these cases it was from Dispater and Asmodeus respectively. Is this just coincidence or is there something to devils taking the wings off of empyreals?

Sure man! Don't YOU want an angel's wing!? It's a huge slight and great trophy, even if they do manage to survive. I think they're definitely a hot commodity on the evil-aligned planes.

That two prominent angelic figures got ripped, though, that's mostly coincidence.

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Are there any LG gods who have associations with storms and stuff? I'm looking to design a paladin with a lightning motif, much like Heironeous of the old 3.5 Greyhawk days.

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ulgulanoth wrote:
Wes, we recently rolled our character's backgrounds but we are having some difficulty having them tie in to Golarion, the game is set in the most present day of Golarion and our characters are of middle age in human terms, but one was supposed to have witness a natural distaster and the other war, even though their backstories tie them to Absalom and the inner sea region, any thoughts on what these events could have been?

I'd look to non-world shattering events. Droughts, floods, hurricanes, blizzards, meteor strikes, small earthquakes or volcanic eruptions, large sinkholes, etc. Not every natural disaster has to be the Eye of Abendego or Earthfall. You can say any of those events happened wherever you like and be off and running.

As for wars, same deal, not every war needs to be WWII. You could interpret this to be what's happening between Nirmathas and Molthune or the endless battles with gnolls in Katapesh. Maybe the character was a soldier or maybe she was a paid mercenary. Maybe she was just caught in the middle or maybe she was on the losing side and blended in among the victors.

How this can relate to Absalom is also easy. It's the city at the center of everything, everything has a vibration that eventually ripples there. Members of a shattered mercenary company from Moltune, those fleeing a drought or famine in coastal Thuvia, survivors of a hobgoblin attack Isger, they all might migrate to Absalom. Whether those characters are you PCs or they're characters who affected your PCs (parents, enemies, teachers, captors, whatever), the effects of those events still can still have a major, if indirect, effect on your PCs.

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ulgulanoth wrote:
Also where would sombody learn about and enter the clergy of Asmodeus outside of Cheliax?

Nidal and Isger would also have repetitively open Asmodeus worship. In any non-good city you might also find openly active members of his faith--they thrive in cities after all. On the frontiers, wandering law keepers, judges, Hellknights, disguised prophets/evangelists, or quietly practicing cultists might all crop up.

There's a lot more on this in Inner Sea Gods, so definitely check that out in April!

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F. Wesley Schneider wrote:

Jumping ahead a bit...

doc the grey wrote:

Ohh he has returned and so I will repost a question I had from a while back

1.Are their any male homosexual archdukes, archdevils, or other named demigod+ devils in hell? To be more precise I'm also referring to those that are exclusively attracted to males and not those who are just also attracted to them along with other options like say belial.

2. What does the cult of Crocell look like? I'm in the middle of trying to use him for one of my home games and he seems a truly interesting character but what his cult might look like and it's focus I haven't the faintest clue.

Hey just wanted to pull these back up and see if I could get some info on either of these topics.

1. I really don't believe sexuality is a big thing for immortal embodiments of ideals, especially those with infinitely mutable forms. By and large, I'd go so far as saying that the vast majority of outsiders that are still even interested in the sticky fumblings of sexual encounters are probably bisexual. These types of creatures aren't born in the traditional sense, so there's really no reason for them to even have genitals, breasts, belly buttons, etc (or if we really got into it and looked beyond the game rules, there's not a lot of reason outsiders would even need to breathe, eat, excrete, etc—why would your outer planes even need suns or air, except to comfort newly arrived souls with minds locked into a single understanding).

So I'm not trying to be evasive, but I really don't think sexuality is a big deal for most devils or outsiders.

Or, if that doesn't satisfy, then consider them largely uninterested in sex (expect where noted otherwise), but could be swayed by charming paragons of either gender.

2. Good news! Crocell is straight out of the Goetia, so there's more about him in real world demonology than just what's been said in Princes of Darkness. So if you're looking for more inspiration for him, I'd start there.

For my part, I always imagined...

1. Yeah this still feels a little too evasive for me, considering we have whole lists of outsiders built around concepts they ostensibly have no need for anymore (food, hydration, sex, etc.) and yet still they partake for the pleasure of it it seems odd that we wouldn't have larger opinions on it amongst the outsiders especially when it can also be used as a way to delineate power and social status.

2. Yeah I've kind of went that way since the first time I asked. His cult is a built up around an oasis water barony that exchanges water for information and secrets as much as gold and doesn't really broadcast the whole devil part of it. Also his followers pray by placing their faces in special bowls and slightly drowning themselves until they start hallucinating. Clerics take that part of it to a whole new level and partially drown themselves in order to see visions of things to come. That being said I also will incorporate the use of hallucinogens into his faith as it just feels right having his cult inject themselves with jellyfish venom and eating fugu to see god. Also plays well with the whole artistic poetry sect he's got for himself in my world.

Now new question, what do you picture Crocell as looking like or is he described well enough in his original work that you would just go with that?


F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
Kairos Dawnfury wrote:

3. Any chance you can push for more Hellknight Minis to show up?

4. Can we expect the Hellknights to show up in any upcoming products with a large role?

3. Yes!

4. Well, you'll definitely want to check out Inner Sea NPC Codex, which has some AWESOME Hellknight art. Champions of Balance is also going to have some new bits Hellknight characters would get a kick out of. Beyond that, folks will just have to wait and see!

I was thinking about picking those up, but I definitely will be now. Thanks for the suggestion! And thanks for taking the time to answer my question!


Hey Wes, a few Ustalav Vampire related questions (prepping Ashes at Dawn) :
1) Conte Tiriac

Ashes at Dawn Spoilers:
I plan on having my PCs (one of which is a Dhampir) interacting with this personaility at the beginning of the module. I plan on having his servants 'rescue' the PCs from Agents of the Whispering Way (Graveknights, Dullahan, and other mounted horrors), indebted them so they have further cause to 'rescue' Ramoska Arkminos. I plan on having him further help the PCs by curing the Madness inflicted on them in the last module through some sort of dream ritual.
Anyways, since the Count is obviously seeking to restore his humanity to escape ending up in an Evil Afterlife, he is obviously against the aims of the Whispering Way and could be argued, almost not evil. Every description of him lists his alignment as LE, yet the overriding goal of not ending up in a horrible place once he dies would necessitate not only some sort of atonement but even a redemption. How would you portray him?

2) Galdyce Where is more information on this person? I am fascinated by things with old histories, and nothing embodies this like the Nosferatu.

3) Other Vampires Breeds and Ustalavic Vampire Society How integrated and common are the following Vampire Offshots In Ustalav, are they part of Vampire society, and if not are they known of by other Vampires?
-Vrylovakas
-Nosferatu
-Vetala
-Jiang-Shi
-Sayona
-Manaanagal
-Penanggalen

Mythic Vampires Since Mythic came out well after Carrion Crown and Rule of Fear, are there any Vampires from that you think should have Mythic Tiers, or even if not canonically, would make sense in a game where the PCs have Mythic power?

Thanks, Wes!


Hi Wes

Why no Vrykolakas in Bestiary 4? With so much carrion crown stuff and Nosferatu, wouldn't Bestiary 4 be the perfect place for the coolest of vampires (Vrykolakas)?

Thanks!


Question: Would you rather reveal what the F. in your name stands for to the whole world or relive Operation Banjo Thug every night for the rest of your life?

:)


Ran this by James Jacobs earlier, but I wanted to get your reaction as well.

So tonight I held the last session of a game I've been running for the better part of a year; the party ended up at level 9.

Final reward I gave them was the opportunity to draw from a harrow deck of many things. One player drew The Tyrant, which reads as follows;

Quote:
The character gains the one-time ability to issue a single command to any creature in the multiverse and have the order obeyed. The target is affected as if by the spell dominate monster, and even orders for the target to kill itself are followed. Any creature targeted by this effect knows that it is acting against its will, and knows the identity and location of the character. Immortal creatures cannot effectively kill themselves, and the act only causes them considerable but fleeting pain. Additionally, creatures with the ability to grant such boons typically also possess the power to revoke them, and do so as soon as the command releases them. The GM ultimately decides what this command can accomplish. The character may use this card's effect whenever he wishes, but may only use it once.

He used that card to command Asmodeus to release Rovagug from his prison.

About ten minutes later, the last person to draw also drew the Tyrant and used it to command Rovagug to go back into his cage long enough for Asmodeus to lock him back up.

So, a few question;

1: As a player and a GM, what would be your reaction to this happening in a game you were playing/running?

2: As a GM, would you even allow that? Jacobs implied that influencing Asmodeus may be beyond the card/deck's capability, and also implied that Asmodeus may not be capable of releasing Rovagug that easily.

3: Assuming you did allow it, during that ten minute time span, about how much damage would Rovagug inflict upon Asmodeus and the world itself?

Shadow Lodge

Are there any plans to do infernal obeisances any time soon? I would love to see what the obeisances look like for Asmodeus and his crew.

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Set wrote:
Some regions of Golarion have advocates in the Paizo office. Is there a specific advocate for Arcadia, Sarusan or Vudra yet?

There are for some. Adam Daigle is working on some Arcadia love and, along with Patrick Renie, have some very cool ideas.

Sarusan, doesn't have a ton of love yet (or its advocates are being relatively quiet).

In house, I've probably read the most Indian mythology and have slipped quite a bit into our world, but I can't say it's on my top 3 list of side projects. (Maybe top 10, though.) I do have rough map of the place in my notebook, though. (No, I'm not sharing.) Really, though, the person who's probably thought the most about it is Jeff Erwin from right here on the boards. If you're looking for opinions about Vudra well informed by the real world, definitely hit him up!

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Archpaladin Zousha wrote:

What IS the general opinion of most nations about the Pathfinder Society? It seems the more I read of them (especially from the Pathfinder Society unlikable or is it just me? thread) the less awesome they seem to be, utilizing unethical methods and hoarding the info and artifacts for themselves, becoming so bad there's actually a special interest group among them dedicated to steering the Society towards good ends (The Silver Crusade) and one dedicated to advocating for Pathfinder agents treated callously by the Decemvirate (The Shadow Lodge). And their treatment of Eando Kline and his warnings speaks VERY badly of them.

Simply put, it seems like most info we've received on the Pathfinder Society makes them seem more like egotistical jerks, more like Belloc than Indy. More like Heinrich Schliemann than Howard Carter. That they're not concerned with the study and analysis of ancient history, but more with the treasures and magic they left behind, and instead of sharing it with the world, only care about bragging about it to their colleagues.

I suspect it varies widely. Most nations probably aren't big fans of explorers coming in and stealing their national treasures. That opinion is probably exacerbated by the more unscrupulous members of the society. That said, I do think there's been too much focus on the society's leader's being douchebags and that something you'll see less of coming up.

Interestingly, though, you did hit on exactly who the Society was modeled after: Belloc. Knowing that Pathfinder players tend to be more on the fortune and glory side of things than Indy, the Society was initially pitched as being more like Indy's money-grubbing, suave nemesis than the brazen scholar-hero. That's not to say that they're mutually exclusive or that there's not room for both types of play, but at the end of the day, we decided we had to dangle gold and power under most PCs' noses to get them exploring.

Again, though, expect more attention on the heroes of the Pathfinder Society in the future. It's not a change in operation, it's just less of a focus on the jerks.

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Jeff Erwin wrote:
F. Wesley Schneider wrote:


Almost nothing from Borges's Book of Imaginary Beings

Hoping that's the lie. Awesome book.

It is a lie.

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vyshan wrote:

heya wes, can you tell me more about empyeral lords and how they relate to various deities and their churches?

Is it possible for some of them to be worshiped right along side the deity and talked about as being say like an great archangel of them?

I'd say so. In fact, in a similar but TOTALLY opposite angle to this, I put in a snippet into Inner Sea Gods about how the archedevils are often revered as secondary divinities among Asmodeus's faith. While polytheism is a different thing in Golarion (see Player Companion: Faiths & Philosophies) there's nothing wrong with occasionally saying a prayer or asking for a blessing from another deity your god is allied with.

Silver Crusade

F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
While polytheism is a different thing in Golarion (see Player Companion: Faiths & Philosophies) there's nothing wrong with occasionally saying a prayer or asking for a blessing from another deity your god is allied with.

Now I feel even better about fleshing out my WotR Iomedaean paladin's beliefs with some Shelyn and Sarenrae reverence on the side. :)

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F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
vyshan wrote:

heya wes, can you tell me more about empyeral lords and how they relate to various deities and their churches?

Is it possible for some of them to be worshiped right along side the deity and talked about as being say like an great archangel of them?

I'd say so. In fact, in a similar but TOTALLY opposite angle to this, I put in a snippet into Inner Sea Gods about how the archedevils are often revered as secondary divinities among Asmodeus's faith. While polytheism is a different thing in Golarion (see Player Companion: Faiths & Philosophies) there's nothing wrong with occasionally saying a prayer or asking for a blessing from another deity your god is allied with.

Kind of like a Catholic person praying to Saint Anthony or whatever, I'm guessing.


1. Does bubonic plague require two fort saves (one for the Con damage, one for the fatigue) or is that just part of the flavor text?

2. Can the spell contagion be used for the same disease twice in a row effectively? Although a creature is already infected, contagion forces the disease to happen immediately, so I'm wondering if this can happen.

3. Everyone god with the potential exception of Zon-Kuthon love Shelyn (in their own special way). Does this mean it's ok for a worshiper of Lamashtu, Urgathoa, or Norgorber to give her a prayer or praise?

4. I'm going to be facing an incorporeal creature in my campaign pretty soon. I've been reading up on them and I'm honestly a bit stumped on how to beat them. Any bright suggestions? Party is composed of an alchemist, sea witch, gunslinger, and ranger.

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F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
Set wrote:
Some regions of Golarion have advocates in the Paizo office. Is there a specific advocate for Arcadia, Sarusan or Vudra yet?

There are for some. Adam Daigle is working on some Arcadia love and, along with Patrick Renie, have some very cool ideas.

Sarusan, doesn't have a ton of love yet (or its advocates are being relatively quiet).

In house, I've probably read the most Indian mythology and have slipped quite a bit into our world, but I can't say it's on my top 3 list of side projects. (Maybe top 10, though.) I do have rough map of the place in my notebook, though. (No, I'm not sharing.) Really, though, the person who's probably thought the most about it is Jeff Erwin from right here on the boards. If you're looking for opinions about Vudra well informed by the real world, definitely hit him up!

Hi! Yep, have a whole setting homebrewed.

Lantern Lodge RPG Superstar 2014 Top 4

Wes!

In a recent Q/A with James Jacobs he confirmed that there were kytons existing prior to Dou Bral's transformation into Zon-Kuthon. Do you think they would have a different ideology/mindset from contemporary kytons? I keep thinking back to Hellraiser: Bloodlines where the demon summoned by LeMarchand in the Victorian era finally meets the cenobites of the modern era and is surprised by them. This, of course, punctuated by Pinhead's "we are under new management" quip.

Dark Archive

F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
Archpaladin Zousha wrote:

What IS the general opinion of most nations about the Pathfinder Society? It seems the more I read of them (especially from the Pathfinder Society unlikable or is it just me? thread) the less awesome they seem to be, utilizing unethical methods and hoarding the info and artifacts for themselves, becoming so bad there's actually a special interest group among them dedicated to steering the Society towards good ends (The Silver Crusade) and one dedicated to advocating for Pathfinder agents treated callously by the Decemvirate (The Shadow Lodge). And their treatment of Eando Kline and his warnings speaks VERY badly of them.

Simply put, it seems like most info we've received on the Pathfinder Society makes them seem more like egotistical jerks, more like Belloc than Indy. More like Heinrich Schliemann than Howard Carter. That they're not concerned with the study and analysis of ancient history, but more with the treasures and magic they left behind, and instead of sharing it with the world, only care about bragging about it to their colleagues.

I suspect it varies widely. Most nations probably aren't big fans of explorers coming in and stealing their national treasures. That opinion is probably exacerbated by the more unscrupulous members of the society. That said, I do think there's been too much focus on the society's leader's being douchebags and that something you'll see less of coming up.

Interestingly, though, you did hit on exactly who the Society was modeled after: Belloc. Knowing that Pathfinder players tend to be more on the fortune and glory side of things than Indy, the Society was initially pitched as being more like Indy's money-grubbing, suave nemesis than the brazen scholar-hero. That's not to say that they're mutually exclusive or that there's not room for both types of play, but at the end of the day, we decided we had to dangle gold and power under most PCs' noses to get them exploring.

Again, though, expect more attention on the heroes of the...

Thats good to hear.

Dark Archive

Any chance of hearing more about Catfolk anytime soon?

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